Tonda Eckert

[bangkoksaint]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Good summary by Blackmore and Tessem, like Alfie House has been very recently far more critical and astonished at the lack of anyone being bothered.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0mvmhyj

Yeah just listened to it, thanks for posting. Some great points and observations. What I’d like to see though is AB and AH going into a presser and absolutely giving it to TE. They know the issues and need to start worrying less about whether the club may ban them. I remember the Scottish press giving RM absolute pelters ………basically doing their job 

[Jack]

2 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

The fans won't because the majority are soft as fuck. The amount of people clapping yesterday was a joke. 

It’s getting louder. Agree that the majority are soft as shit but it’ll pick up momentum. I remember the days of forcing Rupert Lowe out, it was grim but we got there in the end.
 

Squad and performance wise we’re not quite as bad as those days yet but lose midweek and at the weekend, which I think we will, the majority will have turned by then 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, tdmickey3 said:

He has already said much the same but nothing has changed

That's why actions are important not just words. I'd be sacking Spors, this inexperienced assistant manager and Tonda of it was me. I'd bring in an old experienced manager for the rest of the season and then look to appoint a proper manager next year and let the run things his way as a manager. If that means simpler tactics and a few older professionals you can't make a profit on then great.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Jack said:

It’s getting louder. Agree that the majority are soft as shit but it’ll pick up momentum. I remember the days of forcing Rupert Lowe out, it was grim but we got there in the end.
 

Squad and performance wise we’re not quite as bad as those days yet but lose midweek and at the weekend, which I think we will, the majority will have turned by then 

Yep. Fail to win Wednesday and lose Sunday and I think there will be enough in the fanbase to get there even if some never will.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

Yeah just listened to it, thanks for posting. Some great points and observations. What I’d like to see though is AB and AH going into a presser and absolutely giving it to TE. They know the issues and need to start worrying less about whether the club may ban them. I remember the Scottish press giving RM absolute pelters ………basically doing their job 

TBF Blackmore was quite candid yesterday even if he's still being diplomatic because he has to be.

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

That's why actions are important not just words. I'd be sacking Spors, this inexperienced assistant manager and Tonda of it was me. I'd bring in an old experienced manager for the rest of the season and then look to appoint a proper manager next year and let the run things his way as a manager. If that means simpler tactics and a few older professionals you can't make a profit on then great.

Yep, should have been done upon relegation.

But he continues to let the decline gather pace and I have zero faith in him doing anything, he is an idiot

[saintant]

37 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If he's still in charge Sunday and we lose I would expect chants fro the start of the next home game. I expect our fans won't but that's what I'd want.

Well we know there'll be chants from the Pompey inbreds. I'm predicting constant renditions of 'Sacked in the morning' will be bellowed from the terraces on Sunday.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Yep. Fail to win Wednesday and lose Sunday and I think there will be enough in the fanbase to get there even if some never will.

I think Wednesday will be enough. If we go a goal down early doors I think the chants will start right up again. Might even be before that if certain players are starting. I noticed yesterday that only THB had the bollocks to go over to the Northam, the other cowardly fuckers just stayed in and around the centre circle. 

[SWLondon Saint]

3 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

However what IS his fault is the constant playing of three centre backs (presumably because the players more or less dictate it, what was his quote? something along the lines of the players feel more comfortable playing it.....WTF !!!) 

Did he say this?! They may FEEL more comfortable with 3 CB but surely anyone can see they are complete CRAP at actually playing it? The way 1 or 2 of them are always standing marking no-one? Everyone waiting for someone else to challenge for a header on a cross giving away any number of free headers? The way long balls to oppo strikers always seem to end with the 2nd ball dropping to one of their midfielders because our 2 other CBs are 10 yards deeper than the challenger?

Sock puppet Tonda toy of a manager. FFS

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

Well we know there'll be chants from the Pompey inbreds. I'm predicting constant renditions of 'Sacked in the morning' will be bellowed from the terraces on Sunday.

Might be the first time the two sets of fans have ever sung the same song at the same time.

[saintant]

28 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Unless we hit on someone half decent by accident or the fan base make enough of a fuss that they're forced into a change of direction and philosophy. In my opinion, sports Republic want to be different. They don't want to do what has worked elsewhere, they want to be credited with any success. Buying older more experienced players or a grizzled manager that's done it already goes against that. If they manage to get success through developing a bunch of young players from Germany or discovering a new talent under a new manager then they can go to seminars and talk about their new way of doing things and how they are shifting the paradigm or other bollocks. I am sure they want to be known as the next Brentford or Brighton with clubs pointing to them as the ones who know what to do by going against the established order. Having a coach that's done it already or a core of older players with success elsewhere detracts from that.

We've been that club before.

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, saintant said:

We've been that club before.

We were the original.

[SWLondon Saint]

10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

They should but I can also see why they didn't if it is true that Wednesday were demanding five million. Also no guarantee that under our model Rohl would have been successful.

Yep. I'm not sure we'll see any improvement until the toxic group of players is given the boot. I reckon we'd have been better off ditching THB, Wood, Stephens and Manning and keeping Bree, Charlie Taylor and Edwards tbh.

[ecuk268]

6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Either that or he's not overly bothered because he's got a load of investments elsewhere. Who knows what goes through the head of a multi millionaire. Personally I'd like to see him step in now, sack Tonda and then put a letter out on the OS saying this has been going o for long enough and that he is going to make the required changes immediately. That would probably give him a bit more time with the fans because otherwise everyone is just going to tell them all including him to get fucked and just leave. I'd rather have no money and no investor but with a bunch of decent honest pros trying their best each week even if that's near the bottom of the league. I felt a much greater affinity to the team with Stern John in it than the vast majority of these wankers.

You don't become a multi-millionaire by being stupid.

The problem's been that he's not a football man so has relied on others for advice and that's where it's all gone wrong. He's spent a lot of money and will want to recoup that in any possible sale, but he won't do it with a team flirting with relegation to League 1. 

If we lose on Wednesday and at the Skates I can't see Tonda surviving. What happens then is anybody's guess.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

We've been that club before.

Yes but sports Republic haven't.

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

You don't become a multi-millionaire by being stupid.

The problem's been that he's not a football man so has relied on others for advice and that's where it's all gone wrong. He's spent a lot of money and will want to recoup that in any possible sale, but he won't do it with a team flirting with relegation to League 1. 

If we lose on Wednesday and at the Skates I can't see Tonda surviving. What happens then is anybody's guess.

Even if we won Wednesday and Sunday can we honestly say that Tonda shouldn't still be sacked? He's clearly not the right person to be in charge and not what we need regardless of the next two results.

[Badger]

27 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

They should but I can also see why they didn't if it is true that Wednesday were demanding five million. Also no guarantee that under our model Rohl would have been successful.

We’ll never know what the compensation was, but with Wednesday skint there was probably a deal to be made. £5m on a manager we want (if we did) or waste on Damion Downes??? 
 

Pure speculation but I’ve since wondered if perhaps it was clear Rohl wouldn’t commit to playing the club’s way.

Even allowing for discounting Rohl there was no reason to appoint Still in May, rather than widen the search. Or anytime after in my book. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

We’ll never know what the compensation was, but with Wednesday skint there was probably a deal to be made. £5m on a manager we want (if we did) or waste on Damion Downes??? 
 

Pure speculation but I’ve since wondered if perhaps it was clear Rohl wouldn’t commit to playing the club’s way.

Even allowing for discounting Rohl there was no reason to appoint Still in May, rather than widen the search. Or anytime after in my book. 

I'm not sure who you arguing with. I wanted us to get Rohl and said so at the time. I can see why we didn't though IF it is true that 5 million was the compensation and the mad Wednesday owner was playing hardball. Bringing the new manager in as soon as possible made perfect sense at the time and Still had the correct profile that the club clearly wants (young, up and coming, they can take the credit if he's a prodigy, less experience so probably more pliable and likely to be happy being a coach rather than a manager, more likely to play the way the club wants which is aligned with the other age groups and fits their philosophy.)

[BotleySaint]

Am I right in thinking we went to a back 4 yesterday in the second half and saw an improvement? If so, and Tonda reverts to a back 3 from the start on Wednesday then he's lost me completely. 

[Starksj1995]

Tobda Tonda will be gone soon maybe after wendsday 

[Zorba]

50 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Might be the first time the two sets of fans have ever sung the same song at the same time.

No, it wouldn’t…

“Scummers, Scummers, Scummers, Scummers!”

We were scummers, they were scummers, everyone was a f**king scummer. 

..and they’re still scummers as far as I’m concerned.

 

[badgerx16]

Third in the xG table, so all is going to plan

 

[Mboto Gorge]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

The fans won't because the majority are soft as fuck. The amount of people clapping yesterday was a joke. 

And this a huge reason why the owners continue to brazenly continue operating the club the way they have been. They know there won’t be any heat on them. This has to change if we are to have any chance of stopping this rot

[Saint86]

I was one of the first ones to voice real concerns over him... I think its obvious to everyone at this point that he is sadly totally out of his depth - he's tactically flawed, he seemingly can't adapt, he has basically no game management, and his team looks poorly coached.

I don't hold anything against him personally, i just don't think he is anywhere near the level of manager we should have appointed this season, and the fact we gave him a contract beyond the end of the season is just more incompetence from SR.

It looks like we won't sack him, and even if we did sack him - who actually has any confidence that SR would appoint a serious manager? They all seem to be "yes" men, playing the preferred stats based tactics, without the presence to stand up to the decision makers above (see Tonda's post match comments when asked about the strength of the squad and reinforcements - and where he basically backed the board and put the pressure entirely onto himself and still promised play off football). The whole situation is ludicrous - they are collectively running this club into the ground and undoing all of Liebherr's legacy... how long before we are league 1 again under these clowns?

And yet, it should be clear as day to anyone - we were outplayed by Hull yesterday, despite being better than them player for player on paper. Its just ridiculous. Its not even "just" a tactical limitation by Eckert, Hull were just simply coached to a far higher standard; their play was faster and crisper, their defence was significantly better organised. We looked like strangers at times - players out of position or on top of each other, getting in each other's ways, near stationary pace passing, and passes going astray. Its deeply worrying, because on the one hand, the penny may drop with Eckert that he does need to change tactics.... but even if he does, its evident that the side is just terribly coached and won't be able to execute whatever tactics we try to play. Dark times.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Saint86

[lambtiss]

44 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

Am I right in thinking we went to a back 4 yesterday in the second half and saw an improvement? If so, and Tonda reverts to a back 3 from the start on Wednesday then he's lost me completely. 

I would prefer to see a back 4 given a chance, as a back 5 has been given over half a season and given the quality in some of our squad has clearly failed and led to some of the dullest football imaginable. 

1) A back 4 would give the CBs clear responsibilities and hopefully stop a lot of the "to me, to you" nonsense that we see with 3 CBs.

2) A back 4 should release Fellows from his role as a wing back and allow him to play as a natural right winger, which he is.

3) The priority of the full backs would be to defend. This should mean that Manning is dropped immediately as he is incapable of defending 

4) The loss of a player at the back means that we can employ another player to bolster our midfield which has been overrun too easily. Secondly, the two central midfielders have often had to cover too much ground and have tired in the 2nd halves of matches.

5) Alternatively, the loss of the 5th defender would allow us to play Stewart upfront alongside Armstrong when we are chasing games or the opposition are weak.

6) We can revert to 3 CBs if we are defending a lead towards the end of a match.

By the way, if we are playing 4 at the back, I would like THB and Quarshie given a go,as I feel he is improving and has a much higher ceiling than the hapless Wood. THB should be told it is his role to organise and lead the defence.

[Toussaint]

2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Roll did apparently 

You have to wonder what the perception is of Southampton football club is in the professional football world at large. Rhetorical question, as I think we all know the answer. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, Jack said:

Agree that the majority are soft as shit but it’ll pick up momentum. I remember the days of forcing Rupert Lowe out, it was grim but we got there in the end.

The fans had fuck all to do with getting him out, the bank did that. 
 

There’s absolutely no chance of our fans getting anything done. We got relegated with an embarrassing points total, the players got applauded, they got applauded off the pitch yesterday (and it wasn’t a small minority either), high % of nods, about as robust and frightening as our players. 

[Gloucester Saint]

8 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The fans had fuck all to do with getting him out, the bank did that. 
 

There’s absolutely no chance of our fans getting anything done. We got relegated with an embarrassing points total, the players got applauded, they got applauded off the pitch yesterday (and it wasn’t a small minority either), high % of nods, about as robust and frightening as our players. 

Agree with the bottom part of the current spineless home support but not the top part. The fan protests especially the boycotts played a role in Lowe’s departure because the banks were even less willing to back a businessman with an already patchy record being able to stabilise a large organisation he’d already made a total mess of once. If your customers base, stakeholders and industry don’t rate you, lenders won’t continue to back you. The cheque from Leon Crouch was the spark. 

And the Branfoot protests meant shirt sponsorship was harder to find - Dimplex stepped in at last minute as fans but that, the dwindling gates and protests meant Branfoot was untenable and Lawrie was brought in to get rid of him (Lawrie’s book). 

Where we meet in the middle is that Solak doesn’t need the banks as much as Lowe and Askham did - although he’s been ejected seemingly from his own company board so that may change. But how long would he want to write huge cheques to stem massive SFC losses based on 15k gates, stand closures and protests?

Edited 1 hour ago by Gloucester Saint

[badgerx16]

28 minutes ago, lambtiss said:

I would prefer to see a back 4 given a chance, as a back 5 has been given over half a season and given the quality in some of our squad has clearly failed and led to some of the dullest football imaginable. 

1) A back 4 would give the CBs clear responsibilities and hopefully stop a lot of the "to me, to you" nonsense that we see with 3 CBs.

2) A back 4 should release Fellows from his role as a wing back and allow him to play as a natural right winger, which he is.

3) The priority of the full backs would be to defend. This should mean that Manning is dropped immediately as he is incapable of defending 

4) The loss of a player at the back means that we can employ another player to bolster our midfield which has been overrun too easily. Secondly, the two central midfielders have often had to cover too much ground and have tired in the 2nd halves of matches.

5) Alternatively, the loss of the 5th defender would allow us to play Stewart upfront alongside Armstrong when we are chasing games or the opposition are weak.

6) We can revert to 3 CBs if we are defending a lead towards the end of a match.

By the way, if we are playing 4 at the back, I would like THB and Quarshie given a go,as I feel he is improving and has a much higher ceiling than the hapless Wood. THB should be told it is his role to organise and lead the defence.

All well and good, but Rasmus thinks differently.

[Badger]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not sure who you arguing with. I wanted us to get Rohl and said so at the time. I can see why we didn't though IF it is true that 5 million was the compensation and the mad Wednesday owner was playing hardball. Bringing the new manager in as soon as possible made perfect sense at the time and Still had the correct profile that the club clearly wants (young, up and coming, they can take the credit if he's a prodigy, less experience so probably more pliable and likely to be happy being a coach rather than a manager, more likely to play the way the club wants which is aligned with the other age groups and fits their philosophy.)

Not arguing at all, think we’re largely in agreement. 
 

I too can understand baulking at £5m, but suspected there could have been some negotiation on it had we been so minded. 
 

Accept your description of Still profile as it might appeal to the club, but for me it was too much of a leap of faith to appoint him at all. Beneath the back story of ‘young’ modern (to be polite) type of manager there was little to commend him.

‘Getting him in early’ is a bit of a flawed argument although the club liked to dress it up as such. There’s a difference in getting the appointment early (before player’s return) or late July/early August. Making the appointment ‘early’ for the sake of it achieved nothing. Witnessed one match, met Rishi, (allowed us sight of his Doris !) then everyone fucked off on holiday for over two months.
 

Unless his appointment was designed to ensure we signed Quarshie and Downes it was pointless in May. Making the right appointment was more important than an early one.
 

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, Badger said:

Not arguing at all, think we’re largely in agreement. 
 

I too can understand baulking at £5m, but suspected there could have been some negotiation on it had we been so minded. 
 

Accept your description of Still profile as it might appeal to the club, but for me it was too much of a leap of faith to appoint him at all. Beneath the back story of ‘young’ modern (to be polite) type of manager there was little to commend him.

‘Getting him in early’ is a bit of a flawed argument although the club liked to dress it up as such. There’s a difference in getting the appointment early (before player’s return) or late July/early August. Making the appointment ‘early’ for the sake of it achieved nothing. Witnessed one match, met Rishi, (allowed us sight of his Doris !) then everyone fucked off on holiday for over two months.
 

Unless his appointment was designed to ensure we signed Quarshie and Downes it was pointless in May. Making the right appointment was more important than an early one.
 

It wasn't for the sake of it though was it. The idea was that getting the appointment in early would give us a better chance of being ready for the new season. I don't have a problem with an early appointment, I just think we have clear restrictions on the type of manager we want and I think it makes it considerably harder to find someone that sports Republic is happy with that will also allow us to be successful. I don't think they want experience as I've already said.

[gammon cheeks]

THB had the balls to come over to the Northam yesterday and give his shirt to a kid......got a lot of abuse to be honest . 

Leo always comes over ....the rest just cowardly fooks !