Player Ranking Season So Far: Best to most appalling

[Brussels Saint]

To pass the time, this is quite entertaining/depressing. Best to most shit. Go!

 

1, Scienza

2, Jander

3, Ross

4, McCarthy

5, Shea

6, Wood

7, Fellows

8, Robbo

9, Jelert

10, Wellie

11, Fraser

12, Quarshie

13, Baz

14, Adam

15, Mads

16, Archer

17, Downes

18, THB

19, Edwards

20, Azaz

21, Stephens

22, Downs

23, Manning

 

Says it all that I have McCarthy in 4th and Baz in 13th! I would say from about 9th down its been an unacceptable level of performance.

 

 

[benjii]

7 minutes ago, Brussels Saint said:

To pass the time, this is quite entertaining/depressing. Best to most shit. Go!

 

1, Scienza

2, Jander

3, Ross

4, McCarthy

5, Shea

6, Wood

7, Fellows

8, Robbo

9, Jelert

10, Wellie

11, Fraser

12, Quarshie

13, Baz

14, Adam

15, Mads

16, Archer

17, Downes

18, THB

19, Edwards

20, Azaz

21, Stephens

22, Downs

23, Manning

 

Says it all that I have McCarthy in 4th and Baz in 13th! I would say from about 9th down its been an unacceptable level of performance.

 

 

Huh? Fellows above Fraser?

Manning the worst despite being single-handedly responsible for our sole home win?

[Appy]

Just now, benjii said:

Huh? Fellows above Fraser?

Manning the worst despite being single-handedly responsible for our sole home win?

Manning is right down there even with his goals, his defending is atrocious. 

[Toussaint]

30 minutes ago, Appy said:

Manning is right down there even with his goals, his defending is atrocious. 

He was one of our better players last season, are you sure its not the general confused style of play under Still that has caused the problem? 

[Toussaint]

43 minutes ago, Brussels Saint said:

To pass the time, this is quite entertaining/depressing. Best to most shit. Go!

 

1, Scienza

2, Jander

3, Ross

4, McCarthy

5, Shea

6, Wood

7, Fellows

8, Robbo

9, Jelert

10, Wellie

11, Fraser

12, Quarshie

13, Baz

14, Adam

15, Mads

16, Archer

17, Downes

18, THB

19, Edwards

20, Azaz

21, Stephens

22, Downs

23, Manning

 

Says it all that I have McCarthy in 4th and Baz in 13th! I would say from about 9th down its been an unacceptable level of performance.

 

 

I was going to have a go at putting this into my own order, but other than Shea Charles, nobody has performed consistently well. Jander and Scienza right up there, Ross was fantastic for 2 and a half games, Robinson should have been more involved, other than that, pretty terrible. So I could probably do a top 6 , maybe McCarthy at 6 but after that you can see why we are where we are. 

[Baird of the land]

Charles, Scienza and Jander have been standout top ones for me

After that you've got Wood, Armstrong, Robinson, Stewart who've had good moments.

Then you've a horde of mediocre

Then in the lowest circle of hell is Downs.

[imadirtyurchin]

Not to bash the poor lad too hard - but to have Downs anything other than bottom is a disgrace.

 

He is, at the moment, without a doubt the worst footballer I’ve ever seen play for saints.(including weah’s cousin) No first touch/actively avoids the ball/no positioning sense/doesn't run/cant compete physically/ loses the ball every time he gets it. If his ball retention is above 15 percent I’d be surprised. I think he touched the ball once in about 30mins in the last game…

He shouldn’t be in the first team squad - he should be with the U21 and learning the game. Or on loan somewhere. He’s just not ready. Maybe he’ll come good (I’m doubtful) but he definitely wont if we destroy his confidence. He’s only played 30 professional games of football in his life apparently - that’s only a few (30) more than me!

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 15:15 by imadirtyurchin

[Verbal]

12 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Charles, Scienza and Jander have been standout top ones for me

After that you've got Wood, Armstrong, Robinson, Stewart who've had good moments.

Then you've a horde of mediocre

Then in the lowest circle of hell is Downs.

The lowest circle of hell is treachery, which is a bit harsh. The one above that is fraud in case that helps.

[Appy]

34 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

He was one of our better players last season, are you sure its not the general confused style of play under Still that has caused the problem? 

Not at all. Never see a full back just allow his attacker to cross time after time and his switch off at Derby was a shambles. 

[spyinthesky]

51 minutes ago, imadirtyurchin said:

Not to bash the poor lad too hard - but to have Downs anything other than bottom is a disgrace.

 

He is, at the moment, without a doubt the worst footballer I’ve ever seen play for saints.(including weah’s cousin) No first touch/actively avoids the ball/no positioning sense/doesn't run/cant compete physically/ loses the ball every time he gets it. If his ball retention is above 15 percent I’d be surprised. I think he touched the ball once in about 30mins in the last game…

He shouldn’t be in the first team squad - he should be with the U21 and learning the game. Or on loan somewhere. He’s just not ready. Maybe he’ll come good (I’m doubtful) but he definitely wont if we destroy his confidence. He’s only played 30 professional games of football in his life apparently - that’s only a few (30) more than me!

 

 

Cant disagree about anything you posted.
One other thing about Downs is that he just doesnt seem interested in the pre match warm up, just joins in very casually when the ball comes to him.
Of course that makes little difference if he went onto the filed of play and performed to a decent standard.
It just adds to the overall appearance of malaise.

[disconnect]

Scienza, Jander and Charles are the only ones who have looked consistently good. Jelert looks very good too and needs to come back in ASAP, Downes played ok once or twice when could be bothered, and Wood been ok, but always think he's fairly limited, just the only seemingly strong centre back (or the equivalent of Eddie Hall compared to Edwards). 

[bugenhagen]

1 hour ago, Verbal said:

The lowest circle of hell is treachery, which is a bit harsh. The one above that is fraud in case that helps.

OK, move Downs up one, and reserve the lowest circle for SR.

[USaintA]

James Bree has been pretty good, does he count?

[Saint Matty 76]

Great:

Good: Scienza, Charles

Decent: Jander, Robinson

Average: Welington, Fraser, Wood, Fellows, Stewart

Disappointing: Azaz, Roerslev, Quarshie, Edwards, McCarthy

Poor: Downes, Archer, Armstrong, Bazunu, Manning, Stephens

Terrible: Downs, THB

N/A: Jelert, Matsuki, Aribo

Edited Tuesday at 17:46 by Saint Matty 76

[chiknsmack]

Just goes to show how hard done by Will Still was when you can't find 11 players whose performances this season qualify them as good or better. On paper the squad should be challenging to win the league, but the game's played on grass and on grass they've let him down badly.

He managed to figure out a few things (McCarthy > Bazunu, Captain Jack sucks, Azaz doesn't have the workrate to play box-to-box, none of our fullbacks can defend, none of our attackers are clinical in front of goal) and tried to work around them, but it's hard to get anything done with an adequate keeper, two good CMs, four good wide attackers, a good-but-fragile striker, and a bunch of players who should be good enough but in practice just haven't been.

Hopefully the new manager doesn't spend the next two months tinkering to learn the same things and then spend another month integrating some January signings before finally getting some results. With Still the discovery period (bar finding out what Aribo can do) was done and he (or Trollope, or Romeu) could focus on getting after the players who aren't playing well enough.

[die Mannyschaft]

19 minutes ago, chiknsmack said:

Just goes to show how hard done by Will Still was when you can't find 11 players whose performances this season qualify them as good or better. On paper the squad should be challenging to win the league, but the game's played on grass and on grass they've let him down badly.

He managed to figure out a few things (McCarthy > Bazunu, Captain Jack sucks, Azaz doesn't have the workrate to play box-to-box, none of our fullbacks can defend, none of our attackers are clinical in front of goal) and tried to work around them, but it's hard to get anything done with an adequate keeper, two good CMs, four good wide attackers, a good-but-fragile striker, and a bunch of players who should be good enough but in practice just haven't been.

Hopefully the new manager doesn't spend the next two months tinkering to learn the same things and then spend another month integrating some January signings before finally getting some results. With Still the discovery period (bar finding out what Aribo can do) was done and he (or Trollope, or Romeu) could focus on getting after the players who aren't playing well enough.

In practice players just haven't been good enough and new manager or my concern is the interim manager won't be able to turn players into much better, consistent creative players. If we don't compete against QPR and match them then that's a huge worry. After we'd if we don't beat Sheffield Wednesday then to me that's the level the squad is at, a bottom 3 team. That's not individuals as its the whole team that needs to be much better than a QPR or Sheffield Wednesday. Its pointless having 2 players 8/10 as they can't dominate Defence, midfield and goal scoring. 

[Baird of the land]

12 hours ago, chiknsmack said:

Just goes to show how hard done by Will Still was when you can't find 11 players whose performances this season qualify them as good or better. On paper the squad should be challenging to win the league, but the game's played on grass and on grass they've let him down badly.

Don't agree. Much of the reason for the player performances comes down to coaching and tactics. Only way you can absolve Still of blame is if the next guy keeps us rooted to foot of the championship.

[TheH]

18 hours ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

Great:

Good: Scienza, Charles

Decent: Jander, Robinson

Average: Welington, Fraser, Wood, Fellows, Stewart

Disappointing: Azaz, Roerslev, Quarshie, Edwards, McCarthy

Poor: Downes, Archer, Armstrong, Bazunu, Manning, Stephens

Terrible: Downs, THB

N/A: Jelert, Matsuki, Aribo

The number of one on ones missed tempts me to put Arma and Archer in the 'terrible' category, but then you need an even lower one for Downs.  Very good assessment in my eyes.

[S-Clarke]

Not sure you can truly rate anyone above disappointing when we're sat 21st after spending £50m.

They have all been shit as far as I'm concerned, some lesser levels of shit than others, but all still fairly shit.

Edited yesterday at 12:05 by S-Clarke

[Whitey Grandad]

14 hours ago, TheH said:

The number of one on ones missed tempts me to put Arma and Archer in the 'terrible' category, but then you need an even lower one for Downs.  Very good assessment in my eyes.

This is the Championship, remember?

[coalman]

On 04/11/2025 at 14:59, Toussaint said:

He was one of our better players last season, are you sure its not the general confused style of play under Still that has caused the problem? 

The trouble with Manning is he is a full back who wants to be a midfielder. He naturally gravitates to the middle of the park leaving a gaping hole at left back. So there are times where he's productive at the other end of the pitch but we can't rely on him to hold down his side defensively.