Iran

[Sheaf Saint]

9 hours ago, Saint86 said:

The state of that man - can't believe i am seeing any mainstream UK party leader picking sides with the Iranian regime over the UK's allies. He has truly swallowed the crazy pills if this is his outlook. You have Iranians all over the world begging the USA to save the people from the regime ffs, videos getting out of civilians rejoicing and laughing at Khamenei's compound being hit, and its a regime that has just butchered 40,000 of their own people in a month, with millions more living under one of the most oppressive regimes in the world... But I guess he has voters to keep happy 

Just watching him on LK show. He quite clearly isn't siding with the Iranian regime, just questioning if the events of the last few days are really the best course of action for the world and for the people of Iran.

He's got a valid point. Us following Bush into Iraq was an absolute clusterfuck and he's obviously keen to avoid the UK being dragged into another similar situation.

But yes, I agree with Whelk that he shows incredible naivety as well. He claimed that Trump was negotiating in bad faith - which he clearly was - but you'd have to be a fucking idiot to believe that Iran weren't as well.

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14 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Defence Secretary on LK show refusing to be drawn on whether or not he thinks the strikes on Iran were within international law.

Article 51 is crystal clear. If there was an imminent threat, preventative action was legal. If there wasn't, it was illegal. Doubtless we'll be told what the imminent threat to the US and Israel was. 

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Just watching him on LK show. He quite clearly isn't siding with the Iranian regime, just questioning if the events of the last few days are really the best course of action for the world and for the people of Iran.

He's got a valid point. Us following Bush into Iraq was an absolute clusterfuck and he's obviously keen to avoid the UK being dragged into another similar situation.

But yes, I agree with Whelk that he shows incredible naivety as well. He claimed that Trump was negotiating in bad faith - which he clearly was - but you'd have to be a fucking idiot to believe that Iran weren't as well.

I think your last sentence is the crux. We're not privy to the negotiations, and have no idea what was said or not said. I suspect the truth is there was no imminent danger as such, but more of a let's stop wasting time with these idiots and end them. 

[whelk]

Wish we had more politicians like Alan Johnson

Edited 6 hours ago by whelk

[badgerx16]

37 minutes ago, egg said:

Article 51 is crystal clear. If there was an imminent threat, preventative action was legal. If there wasn't, it was illegal. Doubtless we'll be told what the imminent threat to the US and Israel was. 

I don't think making up their excuses is top of their priority list right now.

Donnie has said "...WE WILL HIT THEM WITH A FORCE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE!". Given the firestorms caused by mass bombing of German and Japanese cities in WW2, as well as the deployment of the 2 nuclear bombs, I wonder what he has in mind that could possibly be worse.

Edited 5 hours ago by badgerx16

[whelk]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

Article 51 is crystal clear. If there was an imminent threat, preventative action was legal. If there wasn't, it was illegal. Doubtless we'll be told what the imminent threat to the US and Israel was. 

All these rules are crumbling. Having Russia on UN Security Council and then for them to invade Ukraine shows it all to be pathetically toothless

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Just now, whelk said:

All these rules are crumbling. Having Russia on UN Security Council and then for them to invade Ukraine shows it all to be pathetically toothless

Yep. The rules based system doesn't exist for the big boys. The West sitting back and tolerating Crimea set this off, and at it's simplest, Trump will do wtf he wants without meaningful international opposition.

[AlexLaw76]

7 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep. The rules based system doesn't exist for the big boys. The West sitting back and tolerating Crimea set this off, and at it's simplest, Trump will do wtf he wants without meaningful international opposition.

2003 set this off

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12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

2003 set this off

Fair point. 

[Sheaf Saint]

25 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I don't think making up their excuses is top of their priority list right now.

Donnie has said "...WE WILL HIT THEM WITH A FORCE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE!". Given the firestorms caused by mass bombing of German and Japanese cities in WW2, as well as the deployment of the 2 nuclear bombs, I wonder what he has in mind that could posdibly be worse.

Unlike him to exaggerate. He's usually so calm and measured with his words.

[badgerx16]

Putin complaining of the "violation of the norms of human morality and international law" doesn't really pass muster.

 

[whelk]

8 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Putin complaining of the "violation of the norms of human morality and international law" doesn't really pass muster.

 

Where are you getting your drones from now you little bald cunt?

[Farmer Saint]

All we need now is a rogue missile to get through and take out Ben and his IDF stooges and this will be a good result for the world.

[Lord Duckhunter]

 

[Turkish]

Have we all updated our social media accounts to show our support? The amount of people who are holding Dubai in their thought and prayers 🙄 

tell me you’ve been to Dubai without telling me you’ve been to Dubai 

[AlexLaw76]

I have told my boss I wont be in work for a while as I am in mourning and will be for the next 40 days.

Solidarity, that is what I am about

Edited 2 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

All we need now is a rogue missile to get through and take out Ben and his IDF stooges and this will be a good result for the world.

Another one taking out Trump and Vance to go with Ben and the IRG and the world would be much safer place.

Edited 2 hours ago by Gloucester Saint
Would

[AlexLaw76]

White smoke seen from the central government building in Tehran. New supreme leader elected...

[Jimmy_D]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Putin complaining of the "violation of the norms of human morality and international law" doesn't really pass muster.

 

Another aspect that has contributed to this attack being deemed viable, being backed by Russia doesn't hold anywhere near the weight it used to.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

White smoke seen from the central government building in Tehran. New supreme leader elected...

Sultana and Corbyn, the fruit and nut party.

Edited 20 minutes ago by badgerx16

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