Legod Third Coming Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Admit it, you were wrong. 3 games - 2 points. And still it's down to bad luck. It's Poortvliet with hair. And still Rupert is running us straight into League One. Oh well, haven't been to Leeds to see the family for two years... Oh and Wotte, leave the war analogies at home - this time you haven't got the 82nd Airborne and Monty's 8th army coming to your rescue - you've got Wilde and Lowe - two of the biggest cowards ever to walk this earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Oh and Wotte, leave the war analogies at home - this time you haven't got the 82nd Airborne and Monty's 8th army coming to your rescue - you've got Wilde and Lowe - two of the biggest cowards ever to walk this earth. Oh I dont know, Capt Mainwaring and Pike seem to have everything unddercontrol...." whatever you do, dont tell them your name Pike!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanner MkIII Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 (edited) I agree fully with your post Legod. But to pick you up on a small matter, It was the 21st Army group and not the 8th Army. Note to self: why were you paying attention in a history lesson? Edited 4 February, 2009 by Spanner MkIII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 (edited) Under Poortvliet I think we'd be 0 points in 3 games. So it is an improvement. I think we've played better against Swansea and Sheff Utd than previous home games under Poortvliet. Unfortunatly its too little too late. Edited 4 February, 2009 by BotleySaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I agree fully with your post Legod. But to pick you up on a small matter, It was the 21st Army group and not the 8th Army. Note to self: why were you paying attention in a history lesson? One thing I admire about this site. I learn bugger all about football but I do learn something every time I visit. Thank you sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Wotte has a great record .... in getting teams relegated. Why the surprise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I couldnt go last night but have read the posts on the game and the little faith i had in the change has gone today.I was told of the players finding a new found confidence and my collegue was sincere, I haven't tried to contact again and will speak later in the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Wotte is arrogant, self-loving and ignorant to the history of this club. If he had a modicum of respect towards the fans he wouldn't have come out with the bullsh1t in the tv interviews this past weekend. You 'don't know what we are protesting about'? Fvck off back to Holland Pal. Talk to someone other than Rupert about this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Admit it, you were wrong. 3 games - 2 points. And still it's down to bad luck. It's Poortvliet with hair. And still Rupert is running us straight into League One. Oh well, haven't been to Leeds to see the family for two years... Oh and Wotte, leave the war analogies at home - this time you haven't got the 82nd Airborne and Monty's 8th army coming to your rescue - you've got Wilde and Lowe - two of the biggest cowards ever to walk this earth. Well it's hard to disagree with anything you've written here... (except of course the bit about the 82nd Airborne (they were a Yankee outfit BTW) and the 8th Army, which it wasn't )...but you know that by now, However....As we only have finances to loan players from other clubs...do you suggest we " loan a manager " from someone ...if so,......... who did you have in mind ? Ferguson, ? Scholari ? ....Managers of that pedigree could take care of our lot on their day off.. and still be able to pick a team for Saturday, too. If we take on "another manager " sorry Rupert.. another coach . ..it'll take him 3 months to find his way to SMS every week and by then ... we could already be in League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Who exactly supported his appointment? I can't remember any...admittedly it was a long time ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Well it's hard to disagree with anything you've written here... (except of course the bit about the 82nd Airborne (they were a Yankee outfit BTW) and the 8th Army, which it wasn't )...but you know that by now, However....As we only have finances to loan players from other clubs...do you suggest we " loan a manager " from someone ...if so,......... who did you have in mind ? Ferguson, ? Scholari ? ....Managers of that pedigree could take care of our lot on their day off.. and still be able to pick a team for Saturday, too. If we take on "another manager " sorry Rupert.. another coach . ..it'll take him 3 months to find his way to SMS every week and by then ... we could already be in League 1. It's already too late IMO. We had the chance when Jan walked but haven't taken it. We are another 3 weeks along and no manager. At least if we are relegated early we can then just concentrate on getting Lowe at and not have to worry about the team playing well. Pitch invasion me up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 It's comical how the players refer to him as "Mr Chocolate" because he loves himself so much. You can tell from his interviews that he's someone most people will take an instant dislike to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 how do these sh*t stirrers keep putting up made up stories amazes me,every post seems to relish putting the boot in to saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I can't remember anyone supporting the Dutch *****. F-u-c-k off Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 how do these sh*t stirrers keep putting up made up stories amazes me,every post seems to relish putting the boot in to saints. Yep, I thought we sounded (Radio Sheffield) as if we were doing everything but score.I thought that there was probably a reason why Sheffield United have only conceded 24 (or so) goals in 31 games. They've got a bloody good defence. Still shouldn't have lost in injury time all the same.Bromby kicked off the line,BWP shot inches wides, Kenny made a great save from Euell. I never gave a thought that all that was Wotte's fault though,just that we went for the win and got shafted. Silly me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Yep, I thought we sounded (Radio Sheffield) as if we were doing everything but score.I thought that there was probably a reason why Sheffield United have only conceded 24 (or so) goals in 31 games. They've got a bloody good defence. Still shouldn't have lost in injury time all the same.Bromby kicked off the line,BWP shot inches wides, Kenny made a great save from Euell. I never gave a thought that all that was Wotte's fault though,just that we went for the win and got shafted. Silly me.i wasnt there or couldnt bear to lsten, wrre those things you mention before or after we equalised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Yep, I thought we sounded (Radio Sheffield) as if we were doing everything but score.I thought that there was probably a reason why Sheffield United have only conceded 24 (or so) goals in 31 games. They've got a bloody good defence. Still shouldn't have lost in injury time all the same.Bromby kicked off the line,BWP shot inches wides, Kenny made a great save from Euell. I never gave a thought that all that was Wotte's fault though,just that we went for the win and got shafted. Silly me.i agree and even if we won they would still find fault with saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 i wasnt there or couldnt bear to lsten, wrre those things you mention before or after we equalised? Before, just before probably, from about 80 minutes onwards it sounded as if we were all over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 i agree and even if we won they would still find fault with saints. that sadly is true, if we had drawn it would have been why didnt we go for a win and of course had we won it would have been ,'well it was only against 10 men' Thats football fans for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredKo Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Before, just before probably, from about 80 minutes onwards it sounded as if we were all over them. Very true. We were all over them. Saganowski, Mcgoldrick, Lallana, Surman, Euell and BWP all have one or two decent chances. At least we start learning how to shoot now, much better than the Forest and Docaster game with no decent shots on target, all the players just want to pass the ball again and again till the last second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 that sadly is true, if we had drawn it would have been why didnt we go for a win and of course had we won it would have been ,'well it was only against 10 men' Thats football fans for youyep thats what makes it a great games. we got 15 games to go and untill it becomes impossible to stay up.i will back the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 In all our years of managerial ups and downs, have Saints fans ever taken so rapid a dislike to a new manager ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 i agree and even if we won they would still find fault with saints. But we didn't. If we'd got a decent English manager in perhaps we could have survived this season, but with the Lowe and his dutch clown we're going down without a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 In all our years of managerial ups and downs, have Saints fans ever taken so rapid a dislike to a new manager ???I think Branfoot was not welcomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 can I just say how generally amusing I find it that on the one hand Lowe is lambasted for going through xx managers in xx years and yet after 3 (three) games people want the manager out again... and then if it were to happen then it would be another mark in the 'against' column for Lowe. Talk about damned if you do damned if you don't. He is a condescending patronising twonk but is it any wonder he holds the fans in such obvious disdain since the vast majority of us run around chasing our tails and demanding "whatever the poster before me said"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Lowe's appointment of Wotte was because Rupert, true to form, was unwilling to admit that his 'revolutionary new set-up' has been a total disaster. There was an an opportunity to appoint a proven experienced manager who knows what is needed at CCC level. Just like Crouch did last year. Crouch at least admitted his mistake in appointing from within when Burley left. Rupert has missed the boat. True, whoever had been appointed would have had to work with a squad severely weakened since a year ago. Wotte's biggest mistake though is to return to 'hoof and run' football, undoing the few footballing positives that JP had brought to the team. The team are now even more confused and disorganised. What a shambles. What a nightmare. Thank you Rupert. Lowe has been and always will be an unmitigated loser at this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 can I just say how generally amusing I find it that on the one hand Lowe is lambasted for going through xx managers in xx years and yet after 3 (three) games people want the manager out again... and then if it were to happen then it would be another mark in the 'against' column for Lowe. Talk about damned if you do damned if you don't. He is a condescending patronising twonk but is it any wonder he holds the fans in such obvious disdain since the vast majority of us run around chasing our tails and demanding "whatever the poster before me said"? It's all about admitting mistakes. And then making considered attempts to rectify the situation. Rupert's appointments have been about his own agenda. Not what is best for football, which he doesn't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 It's all about admitting mistakes. And then making considered attempts to rectify the situation. Rupert's appointments have been about his own agenda. Not what is best for football, which he doesn't understand. I'm not convinced Wotte is the right choice either I just think it strange that it should be seen as ridiculous that we should support our new manager. Right appointment or not it's not his fault he was offered the job. So we SHOULD support him regardless of who hired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2009 No we shouldn't support Wotte. Should we support any old Dutchman who is handed the job?? As for we were unlucky - listen to yourselves. Just listen. We did everything but score?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I did everything today but roger Cameron Diaz... Jees. Welcome to League One. We had Morecambe and Wise. Now Eric's buggered off we're left with the straight man. And guess what? No-one is bloody laughing. You think what? If we support Wotte, somehow he will miraculously turn into a manager with experience of this division?? Against 10 men, we still conceded within one minute of scoring. Farcical. Totally. Was I there? No. Which of course means we were unlucky and not incompetent under an incompetent coach. As for longevity of managers. RED HERRING. Otherwise let's give the job to Harry Patch. Football MANAGEMENT is about competence and fitness for purpose. I haven't written him off after 3 games. I've written him of because he FAILED before he sat in the seat - cos he WAS PART OF THE GOLDEN DUO who dumped us in this position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chi saint Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Well I wouldn't describe myself as a Wotte supporter but i'm certainly prepared to nail my colours to the mast. I think he is a better bet than Jan, he appears more ruthless and less inclined to worry about pleasing everyone all the time. Whether he is more tactically astute remains to be seen but his first three games bode well, of course whether it is all too little too late remains to be seen, and of course it's wins we need not just signs of improvement. Whilst like everyone else on here I have no actual idea if we will stay up I strongly believe it's highly likely and wil do so until it is mathematically impossible to do so. So yes he does have my support as does the rest of the team as to do otherwise at this time of need will for me feel like a betrayal. I can't do a lot to help the cause but to remain as positive as possible, certainly whilst at the game, and keep any criticism I have away from the players and the management. So just to be clear I am supporting Wotte, as i'm Saints through thick or thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Well I wouldn't describe myself as a Wotte supporter but i'm certainly prepared to nail my colours to the mast. I think he is a better bet than Jan, he appears more ruthless and less inclined to worry about pleasing everyone all the time. Whether he is more tactically astute remains to be seen but his first three games bode well, of course whether it is all too little too late remains to be seen, and of course it's wins we need not just signs of improvement. Whilst like everyone else on here I have no actual idea if we will stay up I strongly believe it's highly likely and wil do so until it is mathematically impossible to do so. So yes he does have my support as does the rest of the team as to do otherwise at this time of need will for me feel like a betrayal. I can't do a lot to help the cause but to remain as positive as possible, certainly whilst at the game, and keep any criticism I have away from the players and the management. So just to be clear I am supporting Wotte, as i'm Saints through thick or thin. 2 points, minus 19 goal difference. Yep. Are you that woman in the labour party who said she could see green shoots of economic recovery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Well I wouldn't describe myself as a Wotte supporter but i'm certainly prepared to nail my colours to the mast. I think he is a better bet than Jan, he appears more ruthless and less inclined to worry about pleasing everyone all the time. Whether he is more tactically astute remains to be seen but his first three games bode well, of course whether it is all too little too late remains to be seen, and of course it's wins we need not just signs of improvement. Whilst like everyone else on here I have no actual idea if we will stay up I strongly believe it's highly likely and wil do so until it is mathematically impossible to do so. So yes he does have my support as does the rest of the team as to do otherwise at this time of need will for me feel like a betrayal. I can't do a lot to help the cause but to remain as positive as possible, certainly whilst at the game, and keep any criticism I have away from the players and the management. So just to be clear I am supporting Wotte, as i'm Saints through thick or thin. Bet he still lets Lowe influence team selection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 No we shouldn't support Wotte. Should we support any old Dutchman who is handed the job?? As for we were unlucky - listen to yourselves. Just listen. We did everything but score?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I did everything today but roger Cameron Diaz... Jees. Welcome to League One. We had Morecambe and Wise. Now Eric's buggered off we're left with the straight man. And guess what? No-one is bloody laughing. You think what? If we support Wotte, somehow he will miraculously turn into a manager with experience of this division?? Against 10 men, we still conceded within one minute of scoring. Farcical. Totally. Was I there? No. Which of course means we were unlucky and not incompetent under an incompetent coach. As for longevity of managers. RED HERRING. Otherwise let's give the job to Harry Patch. Football MANAGEMENT is about competence and fitness for purpose. I haven't written him off after 3 games. I've written him of because he FAILED before he sat in the seat - cos he WAS PART OF THE GOLDEN DUO who dumped us in this position. Another great post as usual from LTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Did anyone actually support Wotte? Just like, does anyone actually support Lowe? I think you're possibly confusing the issues with people NOT supporting more knee-jerk reactions, like those which have failed time and again in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chi saint Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 2 points, minus 19 goal difference. Yep. Are you that woman in the labour party who said she could see green shoots of economic recovery? What on earth you mean by referring to goal difference I have no idea but then I suspect on reflection neither do you, you can hardly blame Wotte for that. Although I don't doubt you will find a way to justify such a ludicrous claim. As for green shoots?, yes I consider there have been some signs of improvment in the past three games and reading others posts i'm not the only one. I am crucially prepared to accept the current situation by realising it is unlikely in the extreme that Wotte is going to be replaced in the next few games just because you don't rate him! Not that I suspect he's particularly interested in your opinion. It is pleasing to see from other posts on this thread that i'm not in the minority, not that it would prevent me from giving my opinion, unlike some who follow others like lemmings. No it seems that there are like me a large number of fans who are willing to give their support, perhaps somewhat qualified, but nonetheless willing to give it when it's really needed, and we all know now is that time. What I find dismaying is the comments about Wotte being "responsible for our position", "that Lowe still calling the shots" etc etc, unless some of those (you may or may not be one of them i'll reserve judegement) are part of the management or sit in on team talks then what on earth is the point of such ill informed comments except to show them to be the ignorant fools they are. Nope, paint it anyway they want (note I don't personalise this aspect), at the moment one of the weaknesses of this great club is a lack of truly commited fans, those that will see the course and not waver when the going gets tough. Perhaps it's indicative of society as a whole, 'wanting something for nothing, high unrealistic expectations, lack of personal responsibility' etc etc, although when one considers what our service personnel are going through overseas there are exceptions to that rule. No, for me the club needs supporting and even if we go down, which I happen to think won't be the case, I will give my support to the team and manager, not the board but the club, for me their is a distinction. So when you and countless other decide to criticise perhaps confine it to this forum if you have to and not at the ground, it does no one any good including I suspect your good self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Did anyone actually support Wotte? Just like, does anyone actually support Lowe? I think you're possibly confusing the issues with people NOT supporting more knee-jerk reactions, like those which have failed time and again in the past. Didn't Dulldays start a Wotte appreciation thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I thought that the team selection and positions allocated were not appropriate to an 'in your face' hardworking no talent team like Sheffield United who have also been selling players recently as well as Beattie. If you take this coupled with some truly dire performances from Davis, Lallana, McLaggon and McGoildrick you are going to have big problems. I think that Wotte is here to stay all the way to Div 1. The removal of Pearson and the non hiring of Billy Davis when faced with Dutchmen way out out of their depth will be our epitaph this season. Do we all realise we are a laughing stock? I was in Reading on business and I was asked at the meeting what is going on at SFC as they advised they always envied Southampton when Reading were at Elm Park and way down the divisions. I explained they have a good chairman and manager and we have neither. Also stupid Steggles was there in the Hotel - what was he doing as I haven't seen him around lately. Any one know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 can I just say how generally amusing I find it that on the one hand Lowe is lambasted for going through xx managers in xx years and yet after 3 (three) games people want the manager out again... and then if it were to happen then it would be another mark in the 'against' column for Lowe. Talk about damned if you do damned if you don't. So going by your logic I presume we should have stayed with Poortvliet, Wigley and Gray??? There is nothing wrong with sacking a manager who is out of his depth and not performing, instead you have to look as why & how he was appointed. No sensible person would advocate sticking with a failing manager just because it would add to xx managers in xx years. The problem with all those mentioned above is not the sacking of them, but instead the appointment of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 So going by your logic I presume we should have stayed with Poortvliet, Wigley and Gray??? There is nothing wrong with sacking a manager who is out of his depth and not performing, instead you have to look as why & how he was appointed. No sensible person would advocate sticking with a failing manager just because it would add to xx managers in xx years. The problem with all those mentioned above is not the sacking of them, but instead the appointment of them. I can agree with that, but what I and others often get sick off is the speculation delivered as fact (cheap option, not got a clue stuff) as Lowe's reason... we simply dont know, afterall Crouch appointed two from within, then and unknown who at the time had NO record - why do chairman do this? I would happily discuss this this if there was someone who actually knew the FACTS rather than just speculated it was the easy option.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I would happily discuss this this if there was someone who actually knew the FACTS rather than just speculated it was the easy option.... The facts of the matter are quite simple. Lowe appointed these managers/head coaches because he believed they would perform for him. Nothing special about that, nothing sinister about that and no ulterior motive. Quite simply Lowe took a decision that he thought would be good for the CLub, but his decision making ability was found wanting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2009 What on earth you mean by referring to goal difference I have no idea but then I suspect on reflection neither do you, you can hardly blame Wotte for that. Although I don't doubt you will find a way to justify such a ludicrous claim. As for green shoots?, yes I consider there have been some signs of improvment in the past three games and reading others posts i'm not the only one. I am crucially prepared to accept the current situation by realising it is unlikely in the extreme that Wotte is going to be replaced in the next few games just because you don't rate him! Not that I suspect he's particularly interested in your opinion. It is pleasing to see from other posts on this thread that i'm not in the minority, not that it would prevent me from giving my opinion, unlike some who follow others like lemmings. No it seems that there are like me a large number of fans who are willing to give their support, perhaps somewhat qualified, but nonetheless willing to give it when it's really needed, and we all know now is that time. What I find dismaying is the comments about Wotte being "responsible for our position", "that Lowe still calling the shots" etc etc, unless some of those (you may or may not be one of them i'll reserve judegement) are part of the management or sit in on team talks then what on earth is the point of such ill informed comments except to show them to be the ignorant fools they are. Nope, paint it anyway they want (note I don't personalise this aspect), at the moment one of the weaknesses of this great club is a lack of truly commited fans, those that will see the course and not waver when the going gets tough. Perhaps it's indicative of society as a whole, 'wanting something for nothing, high unrealistic expectations, lack of personal responsibility' etc etc, although when one considers what our service personnel are going through overseas there are exceptions to that rule. No, for me the club needs supporting and even if we go down, which I happen to think won't be the case, I will give my support to the team and manager, not the board but the club, for me their is a distinction. So when you and countless other decide to criticise perhaps confine it to this forum if you have to and not at the ground, it does no one any good including I suspect your good self. 1. I NEVER do anything but support my players in the ground. Thanks for asking. 2. Wotte was heralded as part of a DUTCH DUO. Not be me, but by the club and its chairman. So how you can claim he was not responsible for our current position is quite mind boggling. I haven't claimed that Lowe is calling the shots. Others have and I have to say that HE has set both the pattern and strategy so to me it is no surprise what we see unfolding. 3. This idea that supporting a regime is in anyway a contributoty factor in its success or failure is bonkers. It's like water in a puddle claiming success that it fits perfectly the hole into which it has collected, or a flea claiming ownership of a dog. Wotte will either fail or succeed regardless of whether I castigate or congratulate him on the internet. So far, he's failing miserably. 4. The goal difference got from -18 to -19 over the past three games. But ignore that, the failure to win the last three games - losing the last one against 10 men, 60 second after snatching an equaliser - and yes, things are really looking up... PS: In case you don't get it, I will go on supporting my club through thin and thinner. It doesn't excuse incompetence at every management level throughout the club, including the arrogant twonk who currently occupies the head coach seat... My money's on him being gone before April and us being in League One next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 In all our years of managerial ups and downs, have Saints fans ever taken so rapid a dislike to a new manager ??? People were on here slagging him off even before we'd played a game, but they did the same with Pearson last year. Also, whoever Lowe picked was on a hiding to nothing because of who chose him. It all gets a bit pointless really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 What on earth you mean by referring to goal difference I have no idea but then I suspect on reflection neither do you, you can hardly blame Wotte for that. Although I don't doubt you will find a way to justify such a ludicrous claim. As for green shoots?, yes I consider there have been some signs of improvment in the past three games and reading others posts i'm not the only one. I am crucially prepared to accept the current situation by realising it is unlikely in the extreme that Wotte is going to be replaced in the next few games just because you don't rate him! Not that I suspect he's particularly interested in your opinion. It is pleasing to see from other posts on this thread that i'm not in the minority, not that it would prevent me from giving my opinion, unlike some who follow others like lemmings. No it seems that there are like me a large number of fans who are willing to give their support, perhaps somewhat qualified, but nonetheless willing to give it when it's really needed, and we all know now is that time. What I find dismaying is the comments about Wotte being "responsible for our position", "that Lowe still calling the shots" etc etc, unless some of those (you may or may not be one of them i'll reserve judegement) are part of the management or sit in on team talks then what on earth is the point of such ill informed comments except to show them to be the ignorant fools they are. Nope, paint it anyway they want (note I don't personalise this aspect), at the moment one of the weaknesses of this great club is a lack of truly commited fans, those that will see the course and not waver when the going gets tough. Perhaps it's indicative of society as a whole, 'wanting something for nothing, high unrealistic expectations, lack of personal responsibility' etc etc, although when one considers what our service personnel are going through overseas there are exceptions to that rule. No, for me the club needs supporting and even if we go down, which I happen to think won't be the case, I will give my support to the team and manager, not the board but the club, for me their is a distinction. So when you and countless other decide to criticise perhaps confine it to this forum if you have to and not at the ground, it does no one any good including I suspect your good self. What he said... btw, has it ever occurred to anyone that some of these big-name managers like Davies took one look at the whinging pessimists that support Saints & said stuff that I'll stay on the dole till a decently supported club comes up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 What he said... btw, has it ever occurred to anyone that some of these big-name managers like Davies took one look at the whinging pessimists that support Saints & said stuff that I'll stay on the dole till a decently supported club comes up? My guess is it has nothing to do with what supporters say or do,more like how our dictator of a Chairman tells our managers/head coaches how to play the team and who to put in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 What he said... btw, has it ever occurred to anyone that some of these big-name managers like Davies took one look at the whinging pessimists that support Saints & said stuff that I'll stay on the dole till a decently supported club comes up? The truth is the majority of mangers with their own minds would look at what's happened at Saints under Lowe and come to the conclusion he's a manager they couldn't work for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Looks too much like a german for my liking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2009 What he said... btw, has it ever occurred to anyone that some of these big-name managers like Davies took one look at the whinging pessimists that support Saints & said stuff that I'll stay on the dole till a decently supported club comes up? Yes, that's what all managers like Billy Davies do, they have a look on internet forums and if they find people moaning about the club, they go and manage a fruit farm in Brazil... Hello? Despite the growing population there is still space on earth for another resident when you're ready... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2009 People were on here slagging him off even before we'd played a game, but they did the same with Pearson last year. Also, whoever Lowe picked was on a hiding to nothing because of who chose him. It all gets a bit pointless really Wrong, wrong, wrong. We supported Souness. We supported Jones. We supported Hoddle. Some of us even wanted Gray to get a bit more time. We allowed Strachan to win us over. We couldn't believe Lowe fired Sturrock... Then appointed Wigley. We rejoiced at Redknapp (bad call). Thought Burley was a decent effort. (Wanted Dodd and Gorman to succeed). Wanted Pearson to STAY. Thought Poortvliet was high risk but gave him time. And now cannot believe the bloke who came in with Poortvliet as heralded by THE CHAIRMAN as part of AN INNOVATIVE COACHING MODEL which was trumpeted as the reason players were coming here in their droves... has been appointed. This is not about time or class war or any of the other guff you'll claim. This is about appointing a failure behind a failed system and expecting success. Tell me - we are now second bottom of The Championship after 27 years of top-flight football having won ONE FIRKING GAME all season at home. When exactly might we consider that the current approach is wrong??? I'm all ears genuis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I still fail to understand this Wotte appointment. Poortvleit didn't work and he was considered the better candidate of the two a few months ago - why do we think another Dutch gamble is going to work now? Also internal appointments have proved completely disasterous for us in the past, surely there must be lessons to be learned from Grey, Wigley etc? If you were looking for a replacement, given the lack of experience in our squad, the most important attribute must surely be experience of the Championship. Someone who knows the league, knows the opposition and knows what is required to stay up. We have hired someone with zero experience in the Championship. It just goes against all logic, it is so hard to give it any support when you KNOW it's going to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Wanted Pearson to STAY. Are you a politician or something? Stay, yes, but not the same as not wanting him when he arrived. I fully agree that the current approach isn't working, but to be fair to Wotte he has started playing 4-4-2 which we all wanted and everything that has gone on over the last 5 years to bring us to this state is not exactly his fault. All I was saying is give the guy a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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