Could this possibly be "The end of a disastrous beginning"

[cambsaint]

To paraphrase Churchill it certainly isn't the beginning of the end but may be the end of the beginning.

 

Hopefully Lowe's disastrous masterplan that many of us derided from the outset has now been discarded and we are going forward with a sensible mix of talented youth and experience.

How lucky we may turn out to,be that Saga and Euell didn't go; despite the best efforts of the lowest of the Lowe.

 

For the time beginning I am prepared to stop negativity and hope that we can continue successfully as we should have from the start with a mix of experience and youth.

 

It appears that Wotte doesn't mince his words and hopefully can continue gain enough points to escape what looked certain relegation. If this happens the crowds will return and we may avoid administration.

 

I for one am prepared to leave it that for the end of the season before passing judgement on the buffoon Lowe's masterplan.

Hopefully the beginning of the end will be survival both financial and in the CCC and his departure from any meaningful executive position within Saints.

 

But for the time being.... UP THE SAINTS

[Saint_clark]

That was a bloody long beginning.

[VectisSaint]

I for one am prepared to leave it that for the end of the season before passing judgement on the buffoon Lowe's masterplan.

 

But for the time being.... UP THE SAINTS

How can you leave it to the end of the season to pass judgement on Lowe's master plan? The master plan has clearly been abandoned because it failed. This is now Plan B. Too early to judge yet whether this plan is any better, one win does not a football season make. Still the signs are promising that some people have learned that playing kids does not work, playing a few kids within an experienced team does.

[Weston Super Saint]

To paraphrase Churchill it certainly isn't the beginning of the end but may be the end of the beginning.

 

Hopefully Lowe's disastrous masterplan that many of us derided from the outset has now been discarded and we are going forward with a sensible mix of talented youth and experience.

 

I hope not!

 

The Academy have been brought up to only play the Dutch style 4-3-3.

 

Since we have no money so can't afford to buy players in, we are royally screwed if anyone gets injured or retires, as no-one from the Academy will be able to 'step up to the plate'

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

How can you leave it to the end of the season to pass judgement on Lowe's master plan? The master plan has clearly been abandoned because it failed. This is now Plan B. Too early to judge yet whether this plan is any better, one win does not a football season make. Still the signs are promising that some people have learned that playing kids does not work, playing a few kids within an experienced team does.

If we can beat Cardiff, Then and only then! Will i think we might have an outside chance. Till then its one game of many we should of won but didnt!!!!!

[Glasgow_Saint]

if we win every game left this season then we will stay up imo

[alpine_saint]

I for one am prepared to leave it that for the end of the season before passing judgement on the buffoon Lowe's masterplan.

 

Surely the judgement that counts on his masterplan has been passed - it's been abandoned..

[NickG]

Surely the judgement that counts on his masterplan has been passed - it's been abandoned..

 

Jan has failed, and history will show as a mistake, however Lowe's key man -as shown by him nearly coming in a few years ago, was Wotte.

 

His "plan" was to save money and to use more through the ranks players -

 

still using James, Gillet, Surman, Lallana, DMG, - instead of more experienced players last year.

[Weston Super Saint]

Jan has failed, and history will show as a mistake, however Lowe's key man -as shown by him nearly coming in a few years ago, was Wotte.

 

His "plan" was to save money and to use more through the ranks players -

 

still using James, Gillet, Surman, Lallana, DMG, - instead of more experienced players last year.

 

It must be such a cunning plan if only he [and you] understand it!!!

 

So, he wanted Wotte all along, so he went out and got his man, and then made someone else the head coach instead of his man.

 

Forgive me if I find this plan a little bit puzzling

[St Landrew]

It was one match. Let's see the team get out of the relegation zone and maintain it before we pass judgement. Preston NE 3-1 could be just another nice blip in an otherwise god awful season.

[exit2]

It was one match. Let's see the team get out of the relegation zone and maintain it before we pass judgement. Preston NE 3-1 could be just another nice blip in an otherwise god awful season.

 

I agree with this 100%. It was one game, and to be fair I loved watching it but there is a long way to go.

[alpine_saint]

It was one match. Let's see the team get out of the relegation zone and maintain it before we pass judgement. Preston NE 3-1 could be just another nice blip in an otherwise god awful season.

 

No, no, no. You are so wrong, according to NickG...

[um pahars]

I hope not!

 

The Academy have been brought up to only play the Dutch style 4-3-3.

 

Since we have no money so can't afford to buy players in, we are royally screwed if anyone gets injured or retires, as no-one from the Academy will be able to 'step up to the plate'

 

We are as good as finished I tell you!!!!!

 

If the Academy sticks with 4-3-3, you're quite right that it will be impossible for them to step up and play a different system in the first team.

 

Don't believe the hype.

 

I had to laugh at some twonk on another forum trying to claim that players who play in the 4-3-3 system are actually worth more!!!!

[Channon's Sideburns]

It was one match. Let's see the team get out of the relegation zone and maintain it before we pass judgement. Preston NE 3-1 could be just another nice blip in an otherwise god awful season.

 

Indeed...it was a fantastic performance but let's not get carried away by one result.

 

Win three on the trot...then we are getting somewhere...

[um pahars]

It must be such a cunning plan if only he [and you] understand it!!!

 

So, he wanted Wotte all along, so he went out and got his man, and then made someone else the head coach instead of his man.

 

Forgive me if I find this plan a little bit puzzling

 

Come on it's obvious isn't it:smt048:smt048

 

He brings in someone really bad, let's him run the team into the ground, sacks him and brings in the man he wanted 2 years ago so that the recovery looks even better.

 

That's totally rational isn't it???

[SaintRobbie]

To paraphrase Churchill it certainly isn't the beginning of the end but may be the end of the beginning.

 

Hopefully Lowe's disastrous masterplan that many of us derided from the outset has now been discarded and we are going forward with a sensible mix of talented youth and experience.

How lucky we may turn out to,be that Saga and Euell didn't go; despite the best efforts of the lowest of the Lowe.

 

For the time beginning I am prepared to stop negativity and hope that we can continue successfully as we should have from the start with a mix of experience and youth.

 

It appears that Wotte doesn't mince his words and hopefully can continue gain enough points to escape what looked certain relegation. If this happens the crowds will return and we may avoid administration.

 

I for one am prepared to leave it that for the end of the season before passing judgement on the buffoon Lowe's masterplan.

Hopefully the beginning of the end will be survival both financial and in the CCC and his departure from any meaningful executive position within Saints.

 

But for the time being.... UP THE SAINTS

 

Lowe HAS FAILED. That is why we're now starting to play the players he tried to sideline and kick out of this club. He has failed to keep the fans, he has failed his shareholders. Lowe is a failure.

 

Do not let yesterdays result convince you otherwise. Lowe is a disaster and I for one am with Wiseman on this one. Lowe MUST be sacked. He HAS FAILED.

 

Do not let one win stop the pressure on removing this cancer from the club for good. There will never be the optimism required to rebuild the club whilst he is here. Simply... KEEP PROTESTING - GET LOWE OUT.

 

 

FOREVER

[SFC Forever]

Win 3 on the trot and I might start believing in god again

[Weston Super Saint]

Come on it's obvious isn't it:smt048:smt048

 

He brings in someone really bad, let's him run the team into the ground, sacks him and brings in the man he wanted 2 years ago so that the recovery looks even better.

 

That's totally rational isn't it???

 

Would you call it a quadruple bluff?

[Cabrone]

Great victory yesterday but even if we manage to pull ourselves out of this hole whilst Lowe is here you can expect more incompetence in future.

 

SFC won't move on until he has been sacked.

[Window Cleaner]

Great victory yesterday but even if we manage to pull ourselves out of this hole whilst Lowe is here you can expect more incompetence in future.

 

SFC won't move on until he has been sacked.

 

 

 

Sacked ??? He needs to be bought out, same as last time round.

If,and that's a consequent if, we do stay up his plan will be validated and we can expect a good few years of him yet,unless of course someone buys them all out.This is a watershed season, if we stay up and the clubs accounts are

purified then we will be stuck with the bloke.

[Amesbury Saint]

what did Wilde say in his programme notes?

[Window Cleaner]

Would you call it a quadruple bluff?

 

 

I'd call it highly likely. Total brinksmanship from a bloke who has dedicated his entire existence to being right and having the last word.

[um pahars]

If,and that's a consequent if, we do stay up his plan will be validated

 

Just because we stay up, and by God do I hope we can manage it, then IMHO it will not validate his plan one bit, not least because his plan has entirely gone out of the window.

 

50% of the Revolutionary Coaching set up didn't last 30 games, the youth experiment has been shown up as wishful thinking (I wonder whjat Chris Iwelumo would say now?) and we are no reliant on the experienced players that Lowe did so much to bomb out of the Club.

 

We are where we are now, more by luck, than by judgement.

[cambsaint]

I regret you have misunderstood my final comments.

 

I would hardly have described Lowe as a buffoon if I wasn't of the opinion he is a disaster area, and as far as football management is concerned a total incompetent.

 

What I meant is that the most important issues are financial survival and avoiding relegation.

 

While I realise we are still in dire straits I fervently hope that we can remain solvent and in the CCC.

 

With that in mind I see no future in discussing the affairs of the shareholders, and the ownership of the club ad nauseum, as we have been. I doubt that any rescue or bid or even administration proceeding would be forthcoming until relegation is decided. Therefore we should concentrate on supporting our team until the end of the season, with the caveat that Wotte continues to pick and start our experienced players.

 

The campaign to rid us of Lowe and his cabal can begin again then.

 

If I was local and a season-ticket holder I would not rebook until Lowe et al had gone; but I would go to SMS for the remaining matches now.

 

I think even a sociopathic narcissist like Lowest knows the majority of the supporters loathe him and want him gone.

[Window Cleaner]

Just because we stay up, and by God do I hope we can manage it, that IMHO it will not validate his plan one bit, not least because his plan has entirely gone out of the window.

 

50% of the Revolutionary Coaching set up didn't last 30 games, the youth experiment has been shown up as wishful thinking (I wonder whjat Chris Iwelumo would say now?) and we are no reliant on the experienced players that Lowe did so much to bomb out of the Club.

 

We are where we are now, more by luck, than by judgement.

 

the "plan" that I was referring to was more to do with radical cost slashing than anything else. After that it makes sense to play the players you have to pay anyway. Even though you begrudgingly admit that they're probably better than the academy kids originally proposed for the job.

Pity he didn't just cut the crap and try Wotte first, perhaps Wotte refused to play with such a young side knowing it would end in failure, perhaps his hardness and caustic nature was adjudged too abrasive for the youngsters.

[SaintRobbie]

I regret you have misunderstood my final comments.

 

I would hardly have described Lowe as a buffoon if I wasn't of the opinion he is a disaster area, and as far as football management is concerned a total incompetent.

 

What I meant is that the most important issues are financial survival and avoiding relegation.

 

While I realise we are still in dire straits I fervently hope that we can remain solvent and in the CCC.

 

With that in mind I see no future in discussing the affairs of the shareholders, and the ownership of the club ad nauseum, as we have been. I doubt that any rescue or bid or even administration proceeding would be forthcoming until relegation is decided. Therefore we should concentrate on supporting our team until the end of the season, with the caveat that Wotte continues to pick and start our experienced players.

 

The campaign to rid us of Lowe and his cabal can begin again then.

 

If I was local and a season-ticket holder I would not rebook until Lowe et al had gone; but I would go to SMS for the remaining matches now.

 

I think even a sociopathic narcissist like Lowest knows the majority of the supporters loathe him and want him gone.

 

 

I understood you. I suspect people may be just reading the title and responding. It was clear to me where you were coming from Cambsaint.

[um pahars]

the "plan" that I was referring to was more to do with radical cost slashing than anything else.

 

But that's only half of the plan (if that) and as I have said elsewhere any fool can cut costs.

 

What proves someone's mettle is getting things right on the pitch and that strategy has been found to wanting big time, in fact it's totally bankrupt. And in a way it is the poor decisions made during the cost cutting that has also played it's role in the disaster that is this season.

 

I wouldn't trust the man with any future decisions.

[Fowllyd]

Just because we stay up, and by God do I hope we can manage it, then IMHO it will not validate his plan one bit, not least because his plan has entirely gone out of the window.

 

50% of the Revolutionary Coaching set up didn't last 30 games, the youth experiment has been shown up as wishful thinking (I wonder whjat Chris Iwelumo would say now?) and we are no reliant on the experienced players that Lowe did so much to bomb out of the Club.

 

We are where we are now, more by luck, than by judgement.

 

He's already composing a letter to Rupert, urging him to keep the faith...

[VectisSaint]

Jan has failed, and history will show as a mistake, however Lowe's key man -as shown by him nearly coming in a few years ago, was Wotte.

 

His "plan" was to save money and to use more through the ranks players -

 

still using James, Gillet, Surman, Lallana, DMG, - instead of more experienced players last year.

Thought Surman played regularly last season. McG was also used occassionally, especially by NP. Gillet is not a kid, Lallana was blooded by Burley and Pearson as well. Really James is the only one to have broken through regularly this season as a result of the Lowe Master Plan.

 

If Wotte was his key man, why did he wait until over half-way through the season to make his key man count. Quite clear that Lowe did not know what he was doing, and only due to JP realising he was out of his depth and resigning did Wotte get a chance. Too early to say whether Wotte will prove to be any better than JP, after all he has same number of home league wins, and has managed his one win against Preston, who JP also manager to beat. Some encouraging signs but too early to draw any conclusions.