eelpie Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 I hope this is not representative of the whole squad and first team, because we are fooked if it is. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11553 Particularly worrying is this comment: "They will have to show up at training today and the day after and I hope they can show themselves in another manner on Monday evening. "My first statement when I came here and every time we play a game was to say 'mentality always comes first' and this time I didn't see the right mentality." For goodness sake, have we got to the point when some players don't always attend training? Saints teams recently have started matches very poorly - no sense of urgency. Poor passing etc. Is there still a lackadaisical attitude throughout the squad? Don't they realise the seriousness of the situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 I think it shows the reality of how poor our squad is and the back up players aren't upto it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 I think the first team since Wotte came in can be accused of much but not a lack of effort. As for the reserves I can't say, but the times we have come from behind away from home show that I think the first team has the desire and committment, its the skill which is questionable. Also, IMO good to hear Wotte kick some arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 I suspect he means "Show up, mentally". If they miss training they would be fined. IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 I hope this is not representative of the whole squad and first team, because we are fooked if it is. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11553 Particularly worrying is this comment: "They will have to show up at training today and the day after and I hope they can show themselves in another manner on Monday evening. "My first statement when I came here and every time we play a game was to say 'mentality always comes first' and this time I didn't see the right mentality." For goodness sake, have we got to the point when some players don't always attend training? Saints teams recently have started matches very poorly - no sense of urgency. Poor passing etc. Is there still a lackadaisical attitude throughout the squad? Don't they realise the seriousness of the situation? I think that you are taking him a tad literally here. I suspect that he means turn up for training mentally as well as physically. Still it is a bit worrying. If mentality is wrong then ability borders on irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 Presumably he means that they have to show up AND show the right attitude and effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 What is more worrying is that he names Smith as MOM. How bad were the rest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 Quite often in the past, senior players have had a poor attitude, when playing for the Reserves and have quite rightly been criticised. However, when it is youngsters being given a chance to show that they can step up and may be play a part in the First-Team's survival push, this is very worrying. Remember, several of these players have already represented the First-Team this season and some under JP were first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 26 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 March, 2009 Quite often in the past, senior players have had a poor attitude, when playing for the Reserves and have quite rightly been criticised. However, when it is youngsters being given a chance to show that they can step up and may be play a part in the First-Team's survival push, this is very worrying. Remember, several of these players have already represented the First-Team this season and some under JP were first choice. Well they are paid professionals, and we expect better. They should realise this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 That's 9 goals conceded and none scored in the last two matches against Reading and Brighton. My impression is that the Academy maybe isn't as strong either, although this may be because youngsters are being pushed through earlier. We appear to be seeing a general weakening of the playing staff from first team downwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 Could this be that some of the old Youth Team feel that they have 'made it' even though they're not getting in the first team squad...? This is one of the dangers of 'bigging up' those players as exceptional and good enough to play in the CCC... Another Lowe masterstroke....looks like his PR escapades from this season are beginning to come back and bite him on the ar$e. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 I'm starting to warm to Wotte a bit. Still not sure of his experience and his early comments were a bit wrong, but he's developing a personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 I hope this is not representative of the whole squad and first team, because we are fooked if it is. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11553 Particularly worrying is this comment: "They will have to show up at training today and the day after and I hope they can show themselves in another manner on Monday evening. "My first statement when I came here and every time we play a game was to say 'mentality always comes first' and this time I didn't see the right mentality." For goodness sake, have we got to the point when some players don't always attend training? Saints teams recently have started matches very poorly - no sense of urgency. Poor passing etc. Is there still a lackadaisical attitude throughout the squad? Don't they realise the seriousness of the situation? The most worrying comment for me was Wotte bigging up the useless Ryan Smith. Hope this does not mean a first team recall for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 Smith has shown some ability when he's played FFS, give him a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 The most worrying comment for me was Wotte bigging up the useless Ryan Smith. Hope this does not mean a first team recall for him. You are talking about one of next seasons top players there I hope you realise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 The most worrying comment for me was Wotte bigging up the useless Ryan Smith. Hope this does not mean a first team recall for him. What if he actually played well though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 I remember watching the Reserves lose 5-0 to Brighton and none of those players looked interested; not even MLT. He didn't look much of a player either. Just before THAT game against Newcastle, I think it was. Anyway, whose job is it to motivate them. Sack that man who, by his own admission, has singularly failed to do so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiansaint Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 I suspect he means "Show up, mentally". If they miss training they would be fined. IMHO Perhaps they normally don't train on the day after a game and have been called to duty as a sanction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 I think it shows the reality of how poor our squad is and the back up players aren't upto it. Yes - its hollowed out and heading down. But Wotte is the man in charge and ultimately takes the rap for motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 Maybe barking up the wrong tree here but I'm sure Wotte said he would give a majority of senior players a run this game ??? Seemed a very 'reserve' squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 Looking very classy here. Another pic for the caption comp collection. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11549&cp=3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 Maybe barking up the wrong tree here but I'm sure Wotte said he would give a majority of senior players a run this game ??? Seemed a very 'reserve' squad It was a squad with no creative ability whatsoever and defenders who won't ever get a look in at first team level if they don't undergo 100% improvement. It was a crap side, probably one of the worst reserve sides we've ever put out. Gobern has gone right off the boil since he scored for the first team,may have got injured though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 Smith has shown some ability when he's played FFS, give him a chance. When? name the game please? Last time i saw him play as a sub at Birmingham he was rubbish. Saints were effectively playing with ten men when he came on. Previously saw him on right wing at home to Reading when being in the Itchen stand i and many others witnessed his useless display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 When? name the game please? Last time i saw him play as a sub at Birmingham he was rubbish. Saints were effectively playing with ten men when he came on. Previously saw him on right wing at home to Reading when being in the Itchen stand i and many others witnessed his useless display. Nine men. I thought Patterson 'out-shone' Smith at Brum in terms of poor performance / lack of ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 I blame Gorre Is it not fair to say that since Stewart Henderson lost overall responsibility for the Reserves that we have gone backwards? Wonder who sanctioned that change then...ahem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 or since the reserves became first team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 Just shows how thin on the ground we are. Would we be able to compete even in the Third Division if half the first team squad sod off in July? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 (edited) The worrying thing about this - if you read the report in The Echo - is that it seems to insinuate that Gorre was more disappointed with the performance as the players had the ADDED incentive of having Wotte in the stands. I suppose that's why Wotte has launched this public attack on the kids. Does last night illustrate the lack of respect the players have for Wotte? or... Are our kids really just crap? Or.. is Gorre crap? http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4234634.Gorre_at_a_loss_to_explain_reserves__horror_show/ Whatever the reason, I am not sure public humiliation of individual players is necessary or breeds team spirit and morale, honestly Wotte will be criticising the fans next! Edited 26 March, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 (edited) Just shows how thin on the ground we are. Would we be able to compete even in the Third Division if half the first team squad sod off in July? Charlie - our team would not compete in the 3rd Division now mate let alone WHEN our men leave in the summer due to the way they've been managed this season - I have been watching strugglers Swindon occassionally and both performances I saw were genuinely better than all the Saints performances I have witnessed this season (didnt go to Ipswich mind). Edited 26 March, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULACZT Posted 26 March, 2009 Share Posted 26 March, 2009 So Wotte says 'when i was reserve coach/assistant manager/academy promoting person," the young boysh did really well and will learn from their mistakesh" to... I am Head coach/Stuperts fag...."I am the main man, this is not good enough and will not be tolerated by Stupert or myself ".(quote from Dean Gorfull..'we will learn more from this drubbing by Brighton'!!) The 'revolutionary coaching set-up' after 10 months produces such results....wow....why doesnt every club engage it? Answers on a postage stamp before we get relegated please.....Mr Chocolate...you have had had since June...training all together in a ' revolutionary way', morning, noon and night...with a coaching team that rotates (although a couple are rotating around their potted plants,borders and lawns:rolleyes:) and now you criticise the players you have had under your wing Fiddling while Rome burns springs to mind!!! You can distance yourself as much as you want from the person you joined the club with in June 2008, but you are culpable just as much as he (and where is he now...did Stupert help him with the fine at Helmond, did JP get a pay off to include the fine, is he on gardening leave?) when you waltzed around the pre-season friendlies at JP's shoulder, then backed off quicker than an Italian tank at war when the results went pear shaped. I am sure that you think you are actually doing well but unfortunately this is a results business and the sad truth is that you and your mentor/route to a salary have very poor credentials. Wrap your scarf loosely now cos it will be a lot tighter by the first week in May. Welcome to the big league.(or is that Holland Div 2 or Egypt?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 27 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 March, 2009 So Wotte says 'when i was reserve coach/assistant manager/academy promoting person," the young boysh did really well and will learn from their mistakesh" to... I am Head coach/Stuperts fag...."I am the main man, this is not good enough and will not be tolerated by Stupert or myself ".(quote from Dean Gorfull..'we will learn more from this drubbing by Brighton'!!) The 'revolutionary coaching set-up' after 10 months produces such results....wow....why doesnt every club engage it? Answers on a postage stamp before we get relegated please.....Mr Chocolate...you have had had since June...training all together in a ' revolutionary way', morning, noon and night...with a coaching team that rotates (although a couple are rotating around their potted plants,borders and lawns:rolleyes:) and now you criticise the players you have had under your wing Fiddling while Rome burns springs to mind!!! You can distance yourself as much as you want from the person you joined the club with in June 2008, but you are culpable just as much as he (and where is he now...did Stupert help him with the fine at Helmond, did JP get a pay off to include the fine, is he on gardening leave?) when you waltzed around the pre-season friendlies at JP's shoulder, then backed off quicker than an Italian tank at war when the results went pear shaped. I am sure that you think you are actually doing well but unfortunately this is a results business and the sad truth is that you and your mentor/route to a salary have very poor credentials. Wrap your scarf loosely now cos it will be a lot tighter by the first week in May. Welcome to the big league.(or is that Holland Div 2 or Egypt?) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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