The Flying Finn Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 Call me silly... But how is it that Crystal Palace have had their one point penalty occur for the season that has just gone. While we have ours will take place next year. I am aware that administration and fielding an ineligible player are vastly different offences. But why hand Palace the deduction for the season just gone when it hasn't made the blind bit of difference, while we were beaten with it when we were heading down. To me, given the grey areas of our football club being in administration, surely Palace's penalty should take place next season also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 It would be unfair to punish them this season for fielding an illegible player last season wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 It would be unfair to punish them this season for fielding an illegible player last season wouldn't it? So is it unfair to punish us this season for going into administration last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 didnt Palace get fined as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 So is it unfair to punish us this season for going into administration last season? Yes. There was a clear deadline when a club could go in to administration and have the points deducted last season. It wasn't sprung on anyone as a surprise, and for whatever reason, we announced admin AFTER that deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_saint Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 Can we start a bit of 'Tevez' movement, surely Palace fielding their player against Sheff United relegated us and also put us into Admin, therefore I would like £12 million in compo Mr.Jordan, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 So is it unfair to punish us this season for going into administration last season? but we didn't did we? It was the parent company, not the football club. As usual the football league changed the rules to suit the circumstance. TBF, I would have been surprised if we had got away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 I wonder if the 'legals' that Pinnacle are sorting have anything to do with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 What a pointless punishment to give Palace. Has absolutely no impact, not even on which position they finished. And a £20k fine, with £15k suspended. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 Palace fielded an ineligible player and they got a point from that game, so that point has been wiped off. Its fair. Now what would have happened if Sheff U had been deprived of promotion based on the 2 points dropped in that game. Surely the FA/FL should have some kind of arrangement where the team sheets are sent to the FA/FL for approval before the game starts and this would never happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flying Finn Posted 2 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 June, 2009 What a pointless punishment to give Palace. Has absolutely no impact, not even on which position they finished. And a £20k fine, with £15k suspended. What a joke. My feelings exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 TBF, I would have been surprised if we had got away with it. Me too, but I still think we should have got away with it as the rules were very clear. Morally it's a different issue but we actually did nothing wrong. Saying that, I hope we don't go forward with an appeal, I'd rather we just took the punishment and concentrate on having a decent season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 Palace fielded an ineligible player and they got a point from that game, so that point has been wiped off. Its fair. Now what would have happened if Sheff U had been deprived of promotion based on the 2 points dropped in that game. Surely the FA/FL should have some kind of arrangement where the team sheets are sent to the FA/FL for approval before the game starts and this would never happen again. its the FL they make it up as they go along, why did it take until now for them to realise???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 LOL @ Warnock. Would have thought he would be the last person to field an ineligble player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 its the FL they make it up as they go along, why did it take until now for them to realise???? Theres no logic to it, if it happens in the cup, the other team gets awarded the game and goes through. If it happens in the league, the other team who suffers doesnt get anything, if they are going to be consistent, the other team should be awarded the game and 3 points if they lost or two more if they drew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 Theres no logic to it, if it happens in the cup, the other team gets awarded the game and goes through. If it happens in the league, the other team who suffers doesnt get anything, if they are going to be consistent, the other team should be awarded the game and 3 points if they lost or two more if they drew. im sure there have been worse punishments gven out for the same thing in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 Palace fielded an ineligible player and they got a point from that game, so that point has been wiped off. Its fair. Now what would have happened if Sheff U had been deprived of promotion based on the 2 points dropped in that game. Point is that Sheff Utd should have been awarded the game, and Palace should have been deducted a point (or points) as well. Thats what would have happened in most lower leagues. As it happens it makes no difference to either team, but its what happens when organisations can make up rules as they go along, like deducting points for a holding company going into Admin. Its what comes of having corrupt politicians involved in sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker268 Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Me too, but I still think we should have got away with it as the rules were very clear. Morally it's a different issue but we actually did nothing wrong. Exactly by the FL's rules we don't deserve the punishment, despite how well linked they claim we are. it is SLH that went into admin, not the club. IMO they ignored their own rules to avoid the complaints from more clubs than just us and went with the morale not legal judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giamlarrahan Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Didn't Birmingham or someone field an illeligible player in our relagation season from the prem? Was anything done about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red N Wight Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Yes. There was a clear deadline when a club could go in to administration and have the points deducted last season. It wasn't sprung on anyone as a surprise, and for whatever reason, we announced admin AFTER that deadline. Didn't Stockport go into admin after the deadline but get 10 point penalty last season? That made little difference to them but they now start 10 points in front of us after comitting the same offence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowesboy Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 . it is SLH that went into admin, not the club SLH are the club though, 100% 0f their business was Southampton Football Club. Lets just stop behaving like second hand car dealers and accept our punishment and get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Palace fielded an ineligible player and they got a point from that game, so that point has been wiped off. Its fair. Now what would have happened if Sheff U had been deprived of promotion based on the 2 points dropped in that game. Surely the FA/FL should have some kind of arrangement where the team sheets are sent to the FA/FL for approval before the game starts and this would never happen again. Please, what is the point of suggesting how the Football League could improve the way the game is run?? Just leave them be to mismanage the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Didn't Stockport go into admin after the deadline but get 10 point penalty last season? That made little difference to them but they now start 10 points in front of us after comitting the same offence Nope. I believe it is a rule that the 10 points will definitely be deducted if admin declared before a set date. After that date it is a case of : will be deducted same season if club does not get relegated, then deduction could lead to relegation, or, will be deducted next season if club gets relegated. Stockport avoided relegation, so had their points deducted last season. They also remained safe after the deduction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 In youth football if we field an illegibal player we lose all points and the opponants are given 3 points, its funny that when our team has been up before hants fa we are told that we are treated in the same way as saints , portsmuff and bournmouth and we are bound by the same rules, i feel an appeal coming on for the 3 points our team lost last season!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Yes. There was a clear deadline when a club could go in to administration and have the points deducted last season. It wasn't sprung on anyone as a surprise, and for whatever reason, we announced admin AFTER that deadline. I guess you mean "no" it was not unfair - not "yes" it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 I cant believe there are still people on here that havent grasped the rules.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Annoys me that for match fixing AC Milan only got 8 points taken away. That is much worse than what we have ever done!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Annoys me that for match fixing AC Milan only got 8 points taken away. That is much worse than what we have ever done!! But Milan is in a different country, different football association and different league, and therefore goverened by entirely different rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_saint Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Annoys me that for match fixing AC Milan only got 8 points taken away. That is much worse than what we have ever done!! AC Milan who were part owned by the then, Italian Prime Minister....funny that they only got 8 points... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le-Gend Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Didn't Birmingham or someone field an illeligible player in our relagation season from the prem? Was anything done about that? Yep, it was Walter Pandiani.. and he scored as well ! Apparently it was because the fax machine at Birmingham wasn't working in the last few hours of the transfer window. I don't think we even bothered with an appeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Nope. I believe it is a rule that the 10 points will definitely be deducted if admin declared before a set date. After that date it is a case of : will be deducted same season if club does not get relegated, then deduction could lead to relegation, or, will be deducted next season if club gets relegated. Stockport avoided relegation, so had their points deducted last season. They also remained safe after the deduction Just highlights the crass stupidity of the rule. If you are safe mid-table you can go into admin, and have effectively no punishment. But if you are relegated (already in big trouble) you then get a penalty the next season as well. 2 punishments for 1 crime. And all this is supposed to prevent cheating (clubs spending above what they earn to get higher up the league). And in the end the people who have caused the problem walk away scott-free, not even banned from all future involvement in the sport. You really couldn't make it up (well actually you could, as Mawmoney has clearly demonstrated) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 In youth football if we field an illegibal player we lose all points and the opponants are given 3 points, its funny that when our team has been up before hants fa we are told that we are treated in the same way as saints , portsmuff and bournmouth and we are bound by the same rules, i feel an appeal coming on for the 3 points our team lost last season!! Totally agree, my point above. As a former league official in Wilts this is what we always did, as it is in the youth football standard template "rules" published by the FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Just highlights the crass stupidity of the rule. If you are safe mid-table you can go into admin, and have effectively no punishment. But if you are relegated (already in big trouble) you then get a penalty the next season as well. 2 punishments for 1 crime. And all this is supposed to prevent cheating (clubs spending above what they earn to get higher up the league). And in the end the people who have caused the problem walk away scott-free, not even banned from all future involvement in the sport. You really couldn't make it up (well actually you could, as Mawmoney has clearly demonstrated) Utter nonsense - the relegation isn't a "punishment" for any "crime"; it's your fault for being crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Don't care about Palace TBH. If their situation was the same as ours and they were treated differently then I would but it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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