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Strange that one, who is so up themselves that having their name said on a forum is a problem?

 

Um, me? I don't want anyone saying my name on this forum. I don't think that's being up myself. I just think it's important to filter what you publish about yourself on the Internet. While I follow a zero filter approach on here, I prefer to stay anonymous. If people are so curious to know who I am, they can behave like a grown up and suggest going for a drink.

 

I'm with Verbal on this one.

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Um, me? I don't want anyone saying my name on this forum. I don't think that's being up myself. I just think it's important to filter what you publish about yourself on the Internet. While I follow a zero filter approach on here, I prefer to stay anonymous. If people are so curious to know who I am, they can behave like a grown up and suggest going for a drink.

 

I'm with Verbal on this one.

 

Your name is in your forum name though...

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Strange that one, who is so up themselves that having their name said on a forum is a problem?

 

Nah, not really.

 

I nailed this years ago. He doesn't want his content on here associated with his real life identity.

 

Who can blame him?

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Ok, Hypo...What views of yours do I find objectionable? Well, not really any. It was a wrong choice of words on my part. Wes (Or was it Jeff?) asked for proof earlier but I think links were already posted with people like Boris Johnsson complaining about the blanket 20% cut of disabled people from Disability Living Allowance to Personal Independence Plan. I understand that if we tax the wealthy too much they will leave this country for better tax havens but in the same vain, we cannot think that the best way to trim the budget is to do things like remove housing benefit and such from the under 25s as a blanket again (it's in the manifesto). I think the problem, like you like to suggest to me, is a lot of generalisations and assumptions which appear to have been research into very lightly indeed.

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Pap does that at every opportunity. Not sure why you just mentioned me and Jeff.

 

What a load of shít you talk.

 

I have "orders of magnitude" more opportunities to mock you than I actually exercise. Have you ever read your posts?

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So I presume when you mentioned me you actually meant the right? Because as I already mentioned, I've supported labour in the past so I don't really consider myself right wing.

 

There are right leaning people that agree with policies such as the bedroom tax and there are left leaning people that do. I am aware you said you were a left-wing voter at one point. At one point I voted conservative. But it doesn't stop me thinking that some of the things suggested by the incumbent party are rotten. I don't know, I don't come from the age of screaming lefties ruling trade unions imposing things like closed shops, working to rule and three day weeks. I just grew up in a decade when greed was good and it was all about every man for himself and I just think after what? 35 years of Conservative and quasi-conservative rule we could have done with a change but it's been like this so long that the left has become a dirty word.

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What a load of shít you talk.

 

I have "orders of magnitude" more opportunities to mock you than I actually exercise. Have you ever read your posts?

 

Why do you think I was referring to myself? You continually play the poster and not the post. I didn't mention myself.

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There are right leaning people that agree with policies such as the bedroom tax and there are left leaning people that do. I am aware you said you were a left-wing voter at one point. At one point I voted conservative. But it doesn't stop me thinking that some of the things suggested by the incumbent party are rotten. I don't know, I don't come from the age of screaming lefties ruling trade unions imposing things like closed shops, working to rule and three day weeks. I just grew up in a decade when greed was good and it was all about every man for himself and I just think after what? 35 years of Conservative and quasi-conservative rule we could have done with a change but it's been like this so long that the left has become a dirty word.

 

Much more balanced view from you there in my opinion and I do agree with some of it. I think from that we can agree that not everyone who voted tory are heartless and selfish people.

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Why do you think I was referring to myself? You continually play the poster and not the post. I didn't mention myself.

 

You're grossly misrepresenting my interaction on this site.

 

I said on the other thread that in the vast majority of cases I seek cordiality. You're one of the exceptions, because you're special.

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There are right leaning people that agree with policies such as the bedroom tax and there are left leaning people that do. I am aware you said you were a left-wing voter at one point. At one point I voted conservative. But it doesn't stop me thinking that some of the things suggested by the incumbent party are rotten. I don't know, I don't come from the age of screaming lefties ruling trade unions imposing things like closed shops, working to rule and three day weeks. I just grew up in a decade when greed was good and it was all about every man for himself and I just think after what? 35 years of Conservative and quasi-conservative rule we could have done with a change but it's been like this so long that the left has become a dirty word.

 

As an aside, I don't know anyone that agrees with the bedroom tax...

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You're grossly misrepresenting my interaction on this site.

 

I said on the other thread that in the vast majority of cases I seek cordiality. You're one of the exceptions, because you're special.

 

We've seen your M.O from the conspiracy threads. When you got challenged- even in a cordial manner- you got sarcastic and personal. Happens a lot (and again I'm not talking about myself, odd that you keep thinking I am.)

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We've seen your M.O from the conspiracy threads. When you got challenged- even in a cordial manner- you got sarcastic and personal. Happens a lot (and again I'm not talking about myself, odd that you keep thinking I am.)

 

Your M.O:-

 

hypocropped.png

 

You're an exceptional boy, hypo.

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As an aside, I don't know anyone that agrees with the bedroom tax...

 

I agree with the principle behind it - that the state should not pay for people to live in houses larger than they need when they could be better utilised by those who do. I doubt there are many people who disagree with that.

 

However, to say that there have been issues with the method and the results of implementation would be a bit of an understatement.

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Your M.O:-

 

hypocropped.png

 

You're an exceptional boy, hypo.

 

What has that got to do with your behaviour on the forum? Not sure how many times I have to tell you it isn't about me, no matter how many times you try to deflect. I was just saying that you frequently play the poster and not the post. Certainly as much as Jeff and I do on here.

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I agree with the principle behind it - that the state should not pay for people to live in houses larger than they need when they could be better utilised by those who do. I doubt there are many people who disagree with that.

 

However, to say that there have been issues with the method and the results of implementation would be a bit of an understatement.

 

As per most of these types of policies, ****-poor implementation.

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What has that got to do with your behaviour on the forum? Not sure how many times I have to tell you it isn't about me, no matter how many times you try to deflect. I was just saying that you frequently play the poster and not the post. Certainly as much as Jeff and I do on here.

 

Most behaviour on this site is a reaction to what other people write.

 

If that's the sort of thing you write, don't be surprised if people, myself especially, think you're an irredeemable toerag.

 

"That's funny, hypo. Say that!", said the little, lonely voices in your head. It wasn't, and don't try equating that with the píss-takes you get from me.

 

Never seen anyone go that far on this site before, hypo. That's why you're special.

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Most behaviour on this site is a reaction to what other people write.

 

If that's the sort of thing you write, don't be surprised if people, myself especially, think you're an irredeemable toerag.

 

"That's funny, hypo. Say that!", said the little, lonely voices in your head.

 

You still aren't getting it. I wasn't referring to myself and how you react to me, I was talking about your posting in general. Shall I just keep repeating that till you understand? It's nothing to be ashamed of, I do it quite a bit myself but let's not pretend that you react objectively to every post regardless of the poster.

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You still aren't getting it. I wasn't referring to myself and how you react to me, I was talking about your posting in general. Shall I just keep repeating that till you understand? It's nothing to be ashamed of, I do it quite a bit myself but let's not pretend that you react objectively to every post regardless of the poster.

 

Then you are even more incorrect.

 

Anyone who gets hostility from me gives it first. With a couple of possible exceptions, I'm just better at it than they are.

 

I'm generally a cordial chap. But yeah. Exceptions.

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I agree with the principle behind it - that the state should not pay for people to live in houses larger than they need when they could be better utilised by those who do. I doubt there are many people who disagree with that.

 

However, to say that there have been issues with the method and the results of implementation would be a bit of an understatement.

 

 

But the problem is with the legislation not the implementation. The law doesnt distinguish between a single woman living in a four bed detached house for 20 years and somebody whose son has gone to fight in Afghanistan for a year. We all (mostly) know what is right and what is wrong when we see it. On a case by case basis most people might agree, but its practically impossible to draft effective law on that basis.

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As an aside, I don't know anyone that agrees with the bedroom tax...

 

 

Then I think this may shock...In certain circumstances...I do.

 

I mean, if there's a single person renting, from the council a 3 bedroom house (there's one next door to my grand parents) then yes, I would, as a council only allow him or her to be entitled to the same rate of a single bedroom dwelling. Obviously there are things to take into account, for example has he or she just had a death in the household causing this etc.

 

But such properties are for families. Obviously a caveat for me would be, for example disabled people in 1-2 bedroom places that require things like treatment rooms. But sticking my right-wing cap on, I'd say that they're getting such rentals at a vastly subsidised rent (if they are council and not private) that you really should stick to the rules.

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Then you are even more incorrect.

 

Anyone who gets hostility from me gives it first. With a couple of possible exceptions, I'm just better at it than they are.

 

I'm generally a cordial chap. But yeah. Exceptions.

 

Erm, really? You have, numerous times, been the first person to be hostile in conversations between us two, you cannot deny that. Example below:

 

It's a justifiable ad hominem when your opponent in a debate is deliberately trying to simplify and twist what has already been said. In your estimation, do you think that UJ was armed with the facts or even the justification to make some of the points he's made?

 

Let's review them, shall we?

 

Accusations of hypocrisy toward the left, because the rich ones aren't paying their money into private healthcare or giving every disposable bit of it away to the poor. Concluding that I'm in favour of spending cuts, when I've already qualified my position. Get the proper rate of corporation tax from companies that are domiciled here, force those that aren't domiciled here to review their tax arrangements.

 

As for spending cuts, I'm all for them in certain areas. Unfortunately, what UJ means is the sort of stuff that we're being told is necessary, which is to squeeze the poor and public services more. How about we stop f**king invading other countries, and save all the cash we're spending to expand the US' economic empire? How about we legislate for out-of-control markets, like housing and banking?

 

If we're talking cuts, let's make sure that people know we're talking about.

 

And that's really been the problem with UJ's input throughout this thread. It's the internal conflict of someone who doesn't know what he's talking about and someone who wants to look like he knows what he's talking about.

 

The uninformed idiot is winning.

 

 

 

Example right here.

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Erm, really? You have, numerous times, been the first person to be hostile in conversations between us two, you cannot deny that. Example below:

 

Almost entire post is about your content, yet this is your example of me "playing the man".

 

Well in, UJ.

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Almost entire post is about your content, yet this is your example of me "playing the man".

 

Well in, UJ.

 

No, this about you being hostile first...I suggest you read the post and don't spend your time deflecting, again.

 

You said, and I quote:

 

Then you are even more incorrect.

 

Anyone who gets hostility from me gives it first.

 

I'm just saying that is just not true, with the example above.

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You guys know this is utterly tedious for the rest of us right? Its what the pm system is for

 

If pap had just conceded the obvious in the first place instead of conceding it but calling them exceptions then it wouldn't have got this far or become this dull.

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No, this about you being hostile first...I suggest you read the post and don't spend your time deflecting, again.

 

Hostile first? Dude, you'd posted shítloads of bullshít at that point already!

 

I didn't just come onto the thread thinking "Oh, I'll have a go at UJ for the sake of it".

 

That post was the eventual reaction to your content, which was píss poor.

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Hostile first? Dude, you'd posted shítloads of bullshít at that point already!

 

I didn't just come onto the thread thinking "Oh, I'll have a go at UJ for the sake of it".

 

That post was the eventual reaction to your content, which was píss poor.

 

You said you don't get hostile first. So what if you think it's ********, there's no need to get hostile over it. That's the point, and disproves your holier-than-thou post above. You DO get hostile first, and thats that.

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