Doctoroncall

It is, I'd just like to point out that towards the end of our EPL years, he was one of the highest earning chairman in the premiership which includes, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs...

Yes, he should have a second stint at that as well... and I expect he would crash and burn at that again.

Not that I'm aware of, but I'm sure there would be some discussion for consistency. The EPL is awash with money so the chances of a club going into administration is rather remote. Man Utd have huge debt but as a going concern it made £80m last financial year. I doubt Lowe has any influence in the FA anymore. It's been four years since he was on the committee and any sub-committees.

Especially as it's the Football League not the FA that impose the rules and penalties.

I would check the piece in bold! Bates had the major creditor in his pocket, there were other bids that were higher. I thing the hatred for Lowe is balance with the love that some have shown him on here, however, there are those and I would hope the majority that realise Lowe wasn't a great chairman, certainly not worthy of one of the top salaries in the EPL. He lost the sole objective of keeping the Saints in the EPL (needed to pay for the stadium) by being side tracked on other schemes.

I would have thought it depends on the investment covering all the debt. Anything else and there will be penalties applied.

I think it's 3 months and the company have deemed to have broken the contract with the players.

As long as we don't break any League rules we will be OK. Sheff Utd took WHU to court, not the league on the Terez affair.

All well and good if you know you don't have money concerns but since short term finances seem to be more important it doesn't make sence to buy a couple of players with potential, one has never played, the other hasn't contributed anything more than average performances. There is no evidence that Pulis was a make weight in the deal for Davies. I would have preferred a lower price than having a waste of space in the squad having paid agent fees and wages.

You would have thought that for one day, it could have been an exception with such important news coming from the club... just shows how important we have become.

Considering money was (and still is) in short supply I was thinking about the acquisitions this season and how they had to be carefully selected based on position, experience and cost (if any) of the player. Here is the list of players with a few stats I could find (mainly soccerbase or Guardian stats sites) to help gauge their status of hit, miss or maybe: Sqd Name................... P.. Start Sub Mins Goals YCs RCs 13 Tommy Forecast.......G ... Jack Cork................ D. 24....1.. 2193........... 4 ... Alex Pearce............. D....6....3....508... 2...... 1 2..Chris Perry.............. D.. 31....2.. 2855.. 2...... 3 5..Jan-Paul Saeijs........ D.. 13.........1185........... 4 6..Michael Svensson......D....4.......... 366........... 2 41 Zoltán Lipták.......... D....4.............13........... 1 43 Lee Molyneux...........D....4.......... 327........... 3.. 1 10 Paul Wotton........... M.. 12.. 11.. 1231........... 2 12 Lee Holmes.............M.. 11.......... 725 16 Romain Gasmi..........M....0.... 3..... 39 19 Morgan Schneiderlin M.. 21....4... 1664........... 5 39 Ryan Smith.............M....5.....3.....371........... 1 40 Anthony Pulis......... M ... Tomas Pekhart........ F....2.....8.....353.. 1 ... Jordan Robertson......F....8.....2.....593.. 1 Hit: Cork, Pearce, Perry, Saeijis - All decent defenders, Cork versatile, Pearce showed an attacking threat. Miss: Svensson - missed too much football and in/out of the side with injuries, not his normal calm self. Glad he's on the coaching staff sorting out the defence. Molyneux - not better than what we have, no first team experience, wages and agent fees to pay. Wotton - too slow, distribution poor, only had one good game out of the 12. Gasmi - injured but hasn't shown anything in the reserves from what has been reported. Pulis - matching his past playing and injury history, so why did we take a chance when money is tight? Pekhart - didn't start many games, was isolated and looked like he didn't enjoy playing. Perhaps didn't suit the style of play so why waste a loan. Robertson - debut was full of promise but went rapidly down hill. Forecast - yet to play first team football, however why buy a player when the budget is tight and three other second string keepers are already here? Maybe: Liptak - nothing to gauge him although his playing career doesn't suggest he's a quality player but let's wait and see. Holmes - has shown some good performances but is too injury prone. Schneiderlin - has only shown glimpses of his quality with his passing but little else. Could £1m have been better spent? Smith - Signs that he can be a reasonable player but anonymous much of the time. Of course there will always be some misses but surely some research and scouting could have been to save picking up so many. Only 4 hits, 8 misses and 4 maybes which isn't a great return. The rest of the squad that have played: Sqd Name....................P.. Start Sub. Mins Goals YCs RCs 1..Kelvin Davis........... G.. 39............ 3556..........2.. 24 Oliver Lancashire... D.. 10...............808..........3.. 2 7..Rudi Skácel............M.. 23............ 2080.. 1......4 11 Andrew Surman......M.. 37............ 3350.. 7......7 15 Jason Euell............M.. 12.... 5..... 1123... 2......2.. 1 18 Jake Thomson....... M....5.... 4........448 22 Simon Gillett..........M.. 21.... 4..... 1818............5 23 Lloyd James..........M... 34... 1..... 2980.............7 37 Oscar Gobern....... M.....4.... 1.......348.............1 4..Marek Saganowski.. F.. 12.... 1..... 1083.. 6........2 8..Bradley Wright-P.... F.. 11....15.... 1392.. 3........1 17 David McGoldrick... F.. 38..... 1.... 3330.. 9........6 20 Adam Lallana........ F.. 29..... 4.... 2639.. 1........1 34 Jamie White..........F.....2..... 1.......122 35 Matthew Paterson. F.....1....10......260... 1 42 Kayne McLaggon... F.....1.... 6.......245... 1 ... Stern John........... F.....?

Are you basing the futility on the team's home performances having splashed out on a ST or just the cost of it. The former I can understand, the later I don't get as one of the reasons to buy a ST is the reduced price per game. As I'm not a cynic, good-on-ya for buying a ST up front this season and being loyal to the club :-).

It only goes to show what a plank Lowe was - he couldn't get anything right on running the club from working with the traditional manager, new coach or a revolutionary set up, he ballsed it up!

Kelvin Davis - Keep whatever division but expect him to go to a CCC club. Poke - Better than Forecast but that doesn't say much! Keep if other GK go only if we go down. Perry - Keep. Svensson - Keep as coach. BWP - Attitude and application stinks, get rid. Stern John - No, too expensive and getting on for a striker. Euell - Keep at much reduced wages, so will therefore go with no transfer fee to pay. Jamie Hatch - Keep if we go down. Lloyd James - Keep, getting to be a good player. Jake Thomson - Keep. Ryan Smith - No. Jack Boyle - Keep. Joseph Mills - Keep, if we stay in CCC prefer him to Molyneux. Jeffrey Imudia - Keep. Andrej Pernecky - Keep. Jamie White - Keep. Michael Byrne - keep.

Why are you repeating yourself?

Just to add there are two issues in this affair - the third party influence which I thought was decided on before the end of the season and the apparent tearing up of the contract which allowed Tevez to continue playing. It's the second which Sheff Utd went to (civil) court on regarding loss of earnings which only needed the judge to decide on whether Tevez's involvement in all probability helped WHU's cause to stay up. As such I don't think Warnock and the players have much of a case to get any money out of WHU... if only they beat Wigan at home! Middlesbrough case is total different so you cannot compare these two cases. But as you say it's bad for sport and will only get worse with more money at stake.

NO, it hasn't happened at smaller clubs. There was a clause in the agreement that Tevez could be sold without WHU say so. THIS was the issue - third part involvement.

As I said before, Dave Jones said the wage bill was a blip and it was bound to (and easy to see) the bill come tumbling down with the loss of the loans, retirements and out of contract players. Not really a hard decision, however, when it came to the replacements that's a different story (and BTW it's not about how much as Saints spent more than Swansea, Doncaster, Plymouth, Watford, Sheff Wed and Blackpool in the summer).

I would'nt have minded them going if there was a reasonable replacement, but that's not really the point as we have now abandoned the policy of playing youth as much as possible. So Chez, spill the beans, how much are those three earning? Weekly or Monthly wages with any add ons will suffice compared to the likes of Gasmi, Pulis, Cork etc.

Is this the blip Dave Jones talked about at the AGM? With the player loans having gone back to their parent clubs, player retirements and out of contract players not getting new ones, a financial ninny could see wages would only go in one direction (a clue: that's down). But who in their right mind would then sacrifice salaries of worthy CCC players to bring in loans and transfers, most who have hardly played, with the added 500k agent fees thinking these players would do well in a new team, new coaching set up, using new tactics with defensive frailties that have plagued the team for THREE seasons?

Don't forget sorting the football staff out, the total football and the challenge for promotion (all talked about by Lowe on Saints TV).

We now play the bottom 3 of that form table. We need 9 points!

Not for Dowie or Adams but perhaps for Jim Gannon who's done well with little financial support and a young squad. I worry that Wotte has a bad transfer record in bringing the right type of player in and is a bit one dimensional in his approach to management (mainly his arrogance) will not last over time.

I was thinking we would lose this one but now I've changed my mind. If we can get the first goal, the home crowd will turn. 3-1 to us like 7 years ago!

I was thinking we would lose this one but now I've changed my mind. If we can get the first goal, the home crowd will turn. 3-1 to us like 7 years ago!