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making love to a beautiful woman. At first you love the glamour, the style, the attention. Then however you end up broke, humiliated and on the scrap heap as they leave for a more glamorous surrounding.

Don't base opinion on Saintsweb or any other online forum.

You once again have missed the point entirely, regardless of performance I tried them, enjoyed them both equally and now need to weigh up a decision based on other matters of which performance isn't primary. I also havn't said you offered nothing, you are however driven to recommend the PS4 ahead of the fact it is not offering features that I would ideally want from a new console.... you keep ignoring that and are being a little cheeky to me on the basis that I am not agreeing with you (Muggle for instance... yes i've given back too, only fair ) The bare 'facts' are just majority opinion based on the gaming market, it is an overall impression of said gamer's subjective judgement (It's worth noting that many DO prefer the Xbox One, a lower percentage doesn't mean a small number of people, millions of people have bought these things!) I do not fit into that market though, I am not a hardcore gamer. Taking the crude car comparison you made earlier, no point buying a performance driven sports car (PS4?) when a hot-hatch (Xbox One?) is seemingly better for what I want to do with it! As for the McLaren F1/Passat thing you used to try and make me look like an idiot, I actually have a Passat company car, it's f**king brilliant! If I had a McLaren F1 I would be broken.... firstly fiscally and secondly with a shattered spine! It wouldn't be fit for purpose you cheeky f**k.

Last word my arse. You are proving my point, you just want to be right rather then helpful. The PS4 may not meet my needs, you don't care and want me to agree with you regardless. You are the one who's perception is off, not mine.

I'll leave you the last word should you desire it, you are the kind of person who debates to win, not to gauge opinion and perspective and genuinely gain insight, it's to bring people on-side.... poor show Pap, I expected better. Regardless of intent you have adopted the persona of a hopeless fanboy, you are letting your self confessed disappointment bias your opinion and make you deaf to the fact that your need isn't the same as others. I'll leave this thread to itself and make up my own mind. Just remember, if I do eventually get a PS4 it's in spite of you, not due to your 'help.' Have a nice day.

You utter plum, so because something you prefer doesn't meet my requirements i'm a muggle!? You're worse then Turkish!

I want to play Mass Effect 4 and have the entertainment capability of my Xbox 360 (Sky Go, iPlayer, Youtube etc.) I'm not a hardcore gamer, I don't have the time for it. The only thing I can see missing out on with the One is online gaming with my friends if they all go for PS4's, I don't know if that's something I'm willing to compromise for yet. And please be a good boy and don't project your disappointment with MS onto those who couldn't care less and are weighing the machines up on their own merit for their own needs.

Stability, that's all I want..... I hope these words can be taken on face value.

One machine is more powerful; Yes, but it didn't sway me on that alone. Other people prefer it, more power to them. Why does it matter to you? You are starting to sound like Essruu at an Apple convention. Note that I havn't made a decision yet and won't for many months though... I'm not going headfirst into the market for this generation when it's only just forming.

How can you remove subjectivity from entertainment!? By very definition it is subjective and something utterly reliant on the tastes and preferences of the consumer!

All these things are about experience, that is subjective. By reducing it to raw numbers you are just turning into MLG.

Sorry Pap, but the differences highlighted in the screenshots above didn't translate when I actually started playing. I just didn't care that one game looked a little less crisp then the other, with the games flying by at a million miles an hour I didn't have time to linger on whether the textures where slightly sharper, the overall experience was the same for me and if anything enhanced by the fact that I preferred the Xbox One controller.

Having now played both I have to say, as a casual consumer I still see very little difference. The imminent announcement of Mass Effect 4 will lead me to an important decision though.... I will have to choose. From my layman's viewpoint I see the following points: PS4: Marginally better graphical capability My friends primarily have this system Xbox One: I prefer the controller Media integration Level points: Online capabilities It's going to be very tricky to decide. The next 6 months or so will help shape this. Right now though it seems to be a battle between whether I want to (will have time to) play online with my mates or want things to work at their best with my other entertainment equipment.

Could it have been to avoid any potential clash of interests?

Now that was a horrible second half. Fingers crossed for Lovren and Gaston.

We need a second to put this one to bed. So far so good mind!

So he is saying our rise through the leagues was beneficial for the young players we have brought through? Yeah, i'ld agree with that. It was rather a unique situation though, as such 'the market they are in' comment is rather misguided.

I have to echo this.

But nonetheless useful for penalties.

So THATS why Nicola left....... Certainly was bad luck, Bear, how will you redeem yourself!?

Billions.

Not a surprise if true, he allegedly had a close relationship with Cortese, not Pochettino.

Put wages and the rest on top, I cannot see us being that profitable.... if at all. The entire worth and profit is held by league status, facilities and the proposed value of the players. We are worth as much as the market deems... and as such a definitive figure for profit or sale value will not exist.

Old news, but he would seem to be a sensible fit.

Indeed. If he was still here this scenario wouldn't exist. Sorry chap but I feel it's a daft question.