Matthew Le God

You were the one that said... Even though the "right now" you were talking about was over 15 months ago. In any case who said the plans would need to be accelerated? A comment that it was "too early" in March 2010 doesn't been the plans have been accelerated if the club looks closely at it in June 2011. That could always have been the plan for all we know.

If my posts irk you that much, why don't you block me?

I wasn't responding to you.

I pointed out to you that interview that interview is now 15 months old and the club has since been promoted to one division below the top flight. "Too early" then (15 months ago), but may not so much apply now or relatively soon.

But unlike us, they know for sure if the club will see investment over the coming years (and to what level). Investment in the team and success on the pitch will bring in the crowds, Saints have never been above a mid table team in the Premier League and even then it was only briefly in consecutive years. If the owners know that they will be funding for successful Premier League campaigns it is worth investing in infrastructure for the long term now. Jez Moxey at Wolves even made the statement that now is the ideal time to make such investments due to the costs being lower. Wolves decided to make the redevelopment of their stadium go ahead this summer regardless of relegation as infrastructure is for the long term and will benefit the club.

My question was in response to this post by you... Thus you thinking just because Saints are newly promoted they shouldn't plan and build for things they don't need right now. So yes it is relevant and you took my post out of the context it was written in. Which was after all a response to you claiming the club won't plan ahead and act on things it doesn't at the moment need but may in the future. This can be applied in the same way to a stadium improvement.

A fool makes statements like that when he can't counter a point put to him. How can you consider attendances of 80 years ago more relevant than those of the nearly 20 years building upto their move into the Stadium of Light?

Answer the question. I bet you wouldn't have thought it likely. But it has happened.

Did you think in the summer of 2009 when Saints were a League One side on -10 points that by 2011 Saints would have a state of the art training ground under construction that wouldn't look out of place at a Champions League side and category one academy? How confident would you have been in 2009 that it wouldn't happen? Yet it has...

You were talking about history, yet few of their support today ever went to the stadium in the times of huge crowds. The recent history of sub 20k crowds and sub 10k season tickets in the nearly 20 year period (or generation) before they moved to the Stadium of Light an 40k averages carries far more weight and relevance.

Why is it daft to think about now? Saints don't as a Championship side need a training facility anywhere near as good as the one currently under construction. It is being built because that is what Cortese thinks the club will be require should it reach where he intends to take it.

I'm not the only person debating this, so why do you only address this to me? Those on the other side of the argument are continuing this just as much as I am. Is that not exactly what you are doing but from the other side of the debate? Every post I make you attempt to take apart and vice versa.

Yes, yes you did... That is a stat, and that is what I was posting in response to (hence why I quoted it).

What is wrong with my post? He was quoting Sunderland attendances of 80 years ago in the 1930's and ignoring their recent history of sub 20k attendances (and sub 10k season ticket holders) before they moved stadium where they now get 40k averages.

Completely irrelevant because a different age of football support 70 to 80 years ago! Throughout the generation of the 1980's and 1990's they averaged under 20k with 10k season ticket holders.

Where was this build up during the generation of the 1980's and 1990's at Roker Park? If you go back further, that is a different generation and thus less relevant. The averaged under 20k throughout and had under 10k season ticket holders, yet they now average 40k.

Those stats are for all chances. Half chances, full chances whatever. In any case using your logic... Rickie Lambert = 21 goals from 149 chances in a lower league = 1 goal in 7 chances Sharp's 1 in 5 in the league above doesn't look so bad now does it?

Look at Sunderland before the Stadium of Light. Averages under 20k throughout the 1980's and 1990's. Move to a 40k+ stadium and get 40k averages. Are they not a provincial club/city from a less affluent area? Sunderland had just under 10,000 season ticket holders when they moved to a 42,000 stadium (which later expanded to 49,000).

Quite a generalisation to categorise all chances as being equally easy/difficult.

He was injured for 3 months and only started 27 games (two coming on as sub). So it is a better ratio than that. Also he was playing for team that only just stayed up so they didn't exactly set up a lot of chances for him. 15 goals in 27 starts at a level above Saints played last season is a very good record when all that is taken into consideration.

Cortese has said they have plans for one and numerous sell outs long in advance of matches/30k+ averages show one is needed.

I think you both should you should check the date of the interview. It was over 15 months ago! Maybe it is still early, but 15 months and one promotion closer to the Premier League later is a significant change from when that interview took place, things may well of moved on since then. The Cortese dinners were also far more recent, only 3 months ago.

A write up of one of the Cortese dinners (verified by a few people that were there)... The BBC interview (from 36:50)... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8565914.stm

That isn't using my logic at all. If they had the will to stop the training ground and not the power to do so it still would have happened (as it did). You however said it as a statement of fact that you knew they had no power or will to stop it. How do you know that?

How do you know that?