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You do know the ANC killed and tortured Black people as well, don't you numbnuts?

So he wasn't all the time then like you made out. Ive asked plenty of questions myself which no one has answered. I've not sneered at their views, called them names and been abusive. Why should I answer questions when no one has answered mine and I've been abused for my opinion. Why did Mandela refuse to renounce violence in 1985 when he was offered this in exchange for release from prison? No one can answer this, the just keep trotting out the racist line, as I see you are again. As I've said, he's a great man and did a lot of good post 1994. But no one seems to want to talk about what happened before then.

Laughable.

Ultimately and if its inspire of or because of, he realised at some point to unite the nation he needed to make his enemy his friend, which is what he did. He realised that violence wasn't the answer. Which makes Aintforvers comments that the murders and tortures were justified absolutely laughable.

Quite how I'm 'getting a kicking' when you won't even discuss any of the points I've raised and ignore them with sneering comments and scream 'racist' when it's mentioned is anyone's guess, nice try though.

No, I said two wrong don't make a right and I described apartheid as a crime against humanity. This isn't about apartheid, it's about if Mandela was the man the media are making him out to be or not. You won't even enter into a discussion about it, instead you put on sneering posts about going to speakers corner. Won't even talk discuss it and as you've done again say if you mention it you're racist.

Exactly mate, won't even discuss it and anyone that mentions it is racist apparently.

Not at all pal. Just continue to claim killing innocent people is fine, like you did earlier.

Why won't you talk about any of the points I've raised? The bombings. By his people The tortures by his people The refusal to renounce ANC violence in 1985 Th video of hi singing about killing whites?

You're too thick to get it aren't you pal as you've proven time and time again. He was a great man for what he achieved after 1994, I've never said he wasn't. But I'm not quite sure why anyone who mentions what he did pre this is called a racist. Seems to me the thick tw*ts like yourself who won't even enter the conversation are the ones with the issue. They went it air brushing from history, or the few that do mention it all claim killing and torture of innocent people is fully justified if you're got a political point to make, which is even more worrying.

Why won't you talk about any of the things I've mentioned? you've been on holiday in South Africa, you would know all about them.

Yeah I've got David Copelands poster on my wall. You thick c*nt.

Now what were you saying about intelligent replies? why won't you talk about why Mandela refused to renounce ANC violence in 1985 in exchange for release from Prison? Why won't you task about the video of him singing about killing whites? why won't you talk about the Mandela football team and their tortures? You only want to talk about what suits you and scream racism at anyone that mentions it.

Yet again race gets mentioned. Seems its impossible to say he's done anything wrong without being called a racist Its hard for me to comprehend and call me a liberal, but I don't agree with killing and torturing innocent people and being branded a hero for it, that why. What he did post 1994 should be lauded, I'm not disputing that. I'm also say why won't anyone talk about what he did before that and if you do you're called all sorts of names and accused of being racist.

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Except of course he wasn't in solitary confinement in the 80s, but don't let that stop you making things up you loon.

As I said and you're failing to understand, but what can we expect from a man who claims a stamp in his passport makes him the authority on all things, in that country. it's not a case of two wrongs making a right. Apartheid was a terrible thing and a crime against humanity. However My point is and always has been that everyone is ignoring that Mandela, his wife and his party were guilty of killing and torturing numerous people over a number of years. The majority of people on here don't want to talk about it and if anyone brings it up they are called a racist or a c*nt! Let's talk about why Mandela refused an offer of release from prison in 1985 in exchange for renouncing the ANC violence. Why would he do that? Seems a bit odd. Cue more Racist/c*nt/troll jibes.

Nd what a tackle it was too! get that even slightly wrong its a pen! was a quality bit of defending.

This thread gets better and better!!No one will discuss the bombings, no one will talk about the video I posted of Mandela singing about killing whites, no one will talk about the pictures of people being necklaced. Anyone that brings it up is branded a racist, a c*nt or thick!! There are some proper nut jobs on here!!

Why do you people keep mentioning apartheid? This isn't a two wrongs making a right debate. It sit Mandela was the lovely peace loving old man or not. The facts that many of you don't want to face or admit to is that it's a case of 'or not' at least for for the first 50 odd years of his life anyway. As for verbal, did you know he's a nutcase who needs to visit a therapist, how do I know? He admitted it himself on here once. So excuse me for not giving any credence to the views of a lunatic who needs therapy to help him get through the day. Anyway good night pal. Still no comment on any of the Mandela isn't a lovely man stuff, but there's a surprise.

Was today the first time you've seen him play?

LOL, another refusal to deal with anything said that doesn't agree 100% with your viewpoint! Hilarious mate. I notice not one person has commented on the video of Mandela singing about killing whites, yet people are saying those that posted it are racist and c*nts, brilliant mongboarding!!

I'm nts one to whinge a out the media, but I can't believe MOTD didn't mention it in their analysis. More praise for us though.

Not at all mate, I see you never said anything about wade Garrett calling me a c*nt and a pri*ck. Was that post more intelligent than mine? Sums the thread up doesn't it. Here are more victims of the ANC. Shhhh. It never happened, don't talk about it or reply to the posts of the troll, call him a c*nt, do whatever I takes but don't ever discuss what mandelas mob did before he becomes a peace seeker. LOL.

Osvaldos, due to the opposition, a top 2 team and internationals rather than a newly promoted team. he left one of the worlds best defenders on his arse and curled it over and round a 6ft 8 keeper.