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Did you do a safari or the wine route BTW? Quite fancy them myself.

And we all know to get a rounded and realistic view of a country is to go on a 2 week holiday there, staying in nice hotels, going on a few organised trips to tourists destinations in nice coaches or jeeps and speak to a handful of locals then waxing lyrical about what lovely, friendly people they are.

Is that way of the mongboard I'm afraid. Challenge their opinions and views and present them with a few challenging questions and they resort to calling people thick and trying to patronise. If you don't toe the party line and have the same view as them you're thick/troll/racist etc. The most interesting thing is Mandela went to great lengths to apologies for his behaviour and actions, he recognised he was flawed and had made huge mistakes, yet it seems I anyone mentions it or dares to question the media view that he was a lovable, cuddly old man who did nothing but bring peace to a nation ripped apart then woe betide you.

As I said earlier, Gerry Adams, what a great guy, really helped peace in Ireland.....

And here we go again......

If you can't comprehend my point that's not my problem pal. I've no wish to repeat myself.

Nice try, I think you'll find I have and there weren't any, but as I've already said, that doesn't excuse the killing and to truth of innocent people, something a lot of you seem to be ignoring for some reason.

You've got issues mate, all you've contributed to this thread is moaning about those that don't agree with you.

I agree totally. However based on what you've just said, if a terrorist protesting against this was to kill innocent people, that would be fine wouldn't it?

The point was clearly about the slaying of innocents. You're not really that dense are you pal. So stop acting it. FFS

You were advocating the killing of innocent people earlier today pal, yet you're calling others emotionally stunted scrotes, you couldn't make it up!!

They probably even resort to making things up to try and get their point over don't they pal.

So if an innocent person in London was killed by Islamic extremist carrying violent acts out due to the British army being in afghan , this would be fine because they are part of the system that was benefiting from their army being in afghan, yes?

Sheep mentality pal.

Of which you're arguably one of the biggest pal.

Best mates, well they do have a lot in common.

Surprised no one has mentioned the Mandela United football club yet, what with this being a football forum and all. What was their tactic? Oh that's it. I believe it was called necklacing.

No sarky comments here pal, just asking questions and making points others are scared to deal with.

Please explain.

The grief junkies will be in their element tomorrow.

Leicester and Blackburn. Two other clubs who have won it in recent years who would made the champions league that season if they hadn't.

BUT LOOK AT WIGAN FFS

In years to come people will talk about this day, they will say I'll never forget the day Mandela died. The first thing I did was log onto twitter and see 28 other people and posted RIP so immediately I retweeted all of then before adding my own hurt to the snowball of grief. Then it was onto Facebook, where I immediately updated my status with a 'RIP - a great man' and changed my profile picture to the one of him shaking hands with Gerry Adams, proof that he wasn't racist. 13 likes and 12 comments later and unable to cope with my grief I flicked onto I'm a celebrity get me out of here to take my my mind off it all. I was so shocked that Rebbecca Adlington got voted off I simply had to update my Facebook status about it.

Could be up to five Saints players in that group!

Well the training program is being amended to include more rest time and less double sessions so perhaps it is taking it's toll.