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Nothing of the sort Dune. So come on then, did you express your outrage to the boys in blue when you weren't allowed to leave Fratton Park in 2004? Or where you glad they kept you in the ground and cleared the Pomey fans away?

I have NEVER said the OB are responsbile, look back through my posts on this subject. What i have said numerous times and i'll say it again now is 1/ The people involved were silly to do so 2/ They deserve to be punished, having been found guilty 3/ Their sentances were way over the top- again using 12 months for shouting aggresively as an stand out example 4/ The whole thing could have been avoided if the police had done what EVERY OTHER police force do and hold away fans in after games. Like they have done themselves to us at Fratton. I have said this on many many occasions.

If you read View from the Tops comments his BIL works for the FIU and the sentance were predetermined before the trial/guilty pleas, so their barristers were about as useful as trying to out out a bush fire with a tea cup full of water. IMO i think a few cracks round the nut with a batton might make people think twice, that is what they do in Europe.

Not really Ponty, in your opinion prehaps, but i know looking at your posts you sit on the 'lock um up and throw away the key' side of the fence. Dunes comments were "why should the thugs dictate when fans leave a stadium? In the safety of the public it was the right course of action - why should normal pompey fans be exposed to feral thugs by being forced to walk through St marys when the bulk of the crowd had dispersed" When it was suggest the police could have avoid the whole thing by not letting the Pompey fans out. So they COULD have prevented it if they had chose too, just like they chose to prevent the armed robbery in Chandlers Ford. Just because you dont agree with me does not make my views pathetic.

Dune thinks they should open the door for him, why let machete wielding thugs ruin the day for non machete wielding thugs .....

Why? The police prevented that armed robbery. The police could- not saying would have, but COULD have prevented the scenes at Freeborn garage by keeping the pompey fans in, clearing the area then letting them out, like every other police force does. Both are crimes, one was prevented by the actions of the police, which were very brave and commendable, one was not prevented by the actions of the police, when it could have been. What is the difference?

NOt really, what he said is in fact a load of ********, because no one is saying they were innocent, no one is saying it is the collective fault of the CPS, police etc and someone needs to be blamed. What people are saying is that the sentances,for in one case, shouting aggresively, which carried 12 months, are massively over the top. What people have also said is if the hampshire police did what every other police force in the country and they themselves have done in in recent derbies and kept the away fans in the ground until the area was clear then the whole thing would have been avoided. Which it would have, undoubtedly.

I wonder what Dunes take of event in Chandlers Ford was a few years back, when police prevented an armed robbery using guns and shot one of the criminals carrying it out. In Dunes world they should have let the robbery take place, guns and all and stood by and filmed it and hope that the camera footage they recorded was enough to gain convictions at a later date. Rather than stopping it like they did of course. Why should bank robbers dictate to normal bank users when and where they can do their banking. What do you think of that Dune?

So obviously when Pompey rioted at Fratton Park you were angry that the police kept you in the ground after the game in 2004 and didn't let you out to blend into the crowd outside.

Of course, you could say anything on here and no one would know any different, anyway, do these derbies you've not missed in years include the ones at Fratton Park? You know, when Saints fans were kept inside for over an hour each time.

really? Did you go to the Pompey game?

Would this be the riots where over 1000 people rioted, throwing firebombs, bricks etc, 300 odd coppers injured? That is exactly the same as a plastic chair and a few bottles tops and stones being thrown over a fence isn't it. I just despair of some peoples logic.

Just out of interest Dune, do you go to games?

on of the only sensible things Harry Redknapp said when he was Saints manager was when he was talking about the squad saying there are too many average players, 'you dont need 35 average ones, you need 20-24 good ones'

Not probably rubbish, definitely rubbish, no way is Harding a centre back.

Or alternatively they could have done away with the drama and expense of a crown court trial and put it through magistates where the maximum is 6 months Arrest and Punishment ‘Violent disorder’ is triable either way although it will usually be tried on indictment. It carries a maximum sentence of 5 years on indictment or 6 months before magistrates and is therefore an “arrestable offence”. At a trial on indictment, a jury will usually have the alternative option of convicting the defendant of the lesser offence of threatening behaviour (Section 4 of the act). Or they could have given them a threatening behaviour charge which according to the above a jury usually have the option of. Not quite so dramatic in the media that though is it.

Well why bother having police at all? just let everyone out together, in fact, do away with segregation too and ticketing, let everyone just turn up and all sit together. What happens happens. Why let a simple thing like safety get in the way.

Dune, i saw the incident you are talking about, i was there, i am on the you tube clip walking past the car, i saw the grown 'men' picking on middle aged women. You dont have a clue what you are talking about. It was ONE man, this man was told to **** off by people round him and stop being a *****, all Saints fans, the car allowed to pass through the crowd without any further hassle. Would that happen in Portsmouth? I would put my mortagage on it that it wouldn't. As for your comment about the Pompey fans being allowed to blend in with the crowd, do you really believe that there weren't just as many pompey fans who would have been up for a ruck if they'd be allowed too? Do you really believe that the Pompey fans would just go on their merry way, the fans mingling and chatting to each other with gay abandon? If you really think that after the game one of the firecest rivalries in English football would result in a love in as they all walked home together then you dont live in another planet you live in another universe.

FFS!!!!! No one is saying that!!! Should thye have done it? - no. Are they responsible for their actions? - yes- did they deserve to be punished for being stupid? yes. were the sentances over the top? - yes, could the whole thing have been avoided if the police had done what every other police force and every other derby in everyother town does? - yes. So none of this need never happen if the police had shown common sense and for that they need to be held accountable, as have the guys that commited the so called violent disorder.

No, but they should be. I'd also add that the echo should be taken to task for glamourising it. Headline news now on 7 occasions since the day of the derby. If it wasn't for the echo glorifying the incident it would have long been forgotten. I also get the impression the police were hoping for something to happen, they even had a BBC film crew following them around on the day FFS!!! Interesting that the police at first descirbed it as a job well done and they kept trouble to a minimum yet now they have got their headlines and convictions they stopped a riot. Amazing what a few headlines can do.

You really are clueless. Morally maybe it was but for safety of the public was it? If it was why does every derby in the country, including the ones at Fratton Park in 04-05, keep away fans in? Maybe in your world everyone walks the streets holding hands and swaps scarves and kisses each other on the cheek whilst congratulating their rivals on their win and the other side wishing them better luck next time. But, as is becoming quite evident, you dont live in the real world.

and a lot of people shout aggresively, they had better sleep with their shoes on if shouting aggresively is violent disorder.

I am not talking about 'all the yobs' are our strets a safer place because becuase these guys are in jail. Also do you think it is right that a few fall guys, not known to police, not know to the courts as 'hooligans' are hung out to dry so 'all the yobs' as you put it know where they stand? The stand out one for me was the guy who got a year for grabbing the fence and shouting aggresively. **** me, i've shouted aggresively at football a few times myself, we best watch our step next season or there'll be plenty more year jail terms and 6 year bans dished out if this is the benchmark for violent disorder

why do some people insist on refering to the Skates as Poopy? They deserve to have a coin thrown at them just for the irritation factor of that stupid word.