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No, no, he is right, he studied law, he is a superior being to anyone that didn't.

As is your opinion, your houour. As i have already stated i dont need to talk myself up with what i do for a job, what i did for education as its not important. I would beg to differ on your stance of being self righteous, 'i've studied law' 'i'm got a degree' 'i'm more qualified than you' 'i've got a good job because i work hard' and believes that everyone that leaves school at 16 is a noone and screwing the system for benifits, (you might want to ask Alan Sugar about that theory?) are self righteous comments in the extreme. And what do you base your view that i know sweet FA on the law on then? That i dont agree with your view that they should be banged up? I do know that sort of behaviour CAN lead to custodials, but in these circumstances IMO it should not have. As 'a person of reasonable firmness' as the law would put it, i never felt in fear of my saftey, from 20 foot away and saw pretty much all of it. I did know that shouting 'i am gonna kill you Pompey fan' could be seen as assualt, (you can be guilty of assault just be touching someone without their consent) but they weren't charged with assault so dont see what your point is. It could also be seen as threats to kill, which carries up to 10 years, or if he'd shouted it and two other people had heard and agreed they too were 'going to kill' Pompey fans, it could be considered consipracy to murder which would carry life. I know this because i do and through life experience, not because i read it in a book. But then what would i know? I clearly know FA about the law and am not quailified.

he is about as funny as a chinese burn. Just the average fat bloke in the pub who is loud and people describe as having a great sense of humour because that is the only thing mildly positive about them. I enjoyed Gavin and Stacey, so hats off to him for that, but his world cup show is gash and even Jamie Redknapp is funnier than him on A league of their own.

Yep, thats me, unemployed, lazing around, on here all day as no job to worry about and living off benefits. Lucky for me amazing people like you who like to talk themselves up about their education and fanstatic job wil pay for me to do this. Who is the bigger mug? Just so you know pal, I dont feel the need to prove myself with quips about my education and work and how much better idea i have than someone else because, guess what, i am graduate, whoop whoop for me!!! Oh and as for your cheap shot about seeing me on CCTV, they wont, i walked that way from the ground, i saw what went on from about 20 foot away, i chose not to get involved, that makes me an eye witness, not someone who read the paper, saw the youtube clippings and made an opinion based on media frenzy and internet posts. As an eyewitness to a 'crime' scene, i think that give me more idea than any book you may have read in a class room. And in any case, why are you on here, should someone as self righteous as you not be stealing time from their employer by using the internet for none work related purposes during working hours? Got to go, i need to pop down the offy for some more cans of cider and fags to watch todays games on my 50 inch plazma hard working mugs like you paid for.

Oh look what we have here,yet another arrogant graduate who spent the whole of their early twenties getting ****ed on grants and loans and now thinks they are a cut above everyone else and the world owes them a living. And no not EVERY criminal should go to prison.

The problem is the thread just goes round and round because people dont read the posts above and assumes everyone who thinks the sentances are over top and chimes in with 'i dont see how anyone can say its the fault of the police, they had a choice to do what that' My stances in summary is this 1/ They were idiots for getting involved 2/ They deserve to be punished 3/ In view of what they did, especially the one who got 12 months for shouting aggressively, i dont think any deserve prison, bans, fines etc but not prision 4/ The police do need to be questioned and accountable as to why they allowed both sets of fan leave the ground at the same time as i have never heard of this happening at any other derby anywhere when such animosity exists between the fans. It is asking for trouble.

Who has said that? Yet another one who hasn't got a clue. No one, for probably the 50th time says that they shouldn't be punished, no one says the police forced anyone to do anything. What people are saying, if you bother to read the thread properly, is that the police could have avoided the whole thing by doing what every police force in the country does at hostile game. Hold the away fans in. By the way i cant believe we've got 13 pages of people still claiming that everyone who thinks 12 months in prision for shouting aggesively is harsh is saying its totally the polices fault and the offenders shouldn't be punished

wouldn't have happened, i am sure of that, in all the Saints v Pompey games when they have kept fans in they have never tried to get at them on the pitch. Unlike the other games, Burnley for example, there were a lot more police on duty. There was never a hint of trouble inside the ground anyway.

They are beatable, at least it is a game to get excited about.

The Blackburn v Burnley game was ridiculous situation where a Blackurn fan who lived 2 miles from the Burnley ground would only be allowed in if he travelled on official club transport so he had to travel to Blackburn then back to Burnley on the club buses. I think the trains with a police escort worked well enough so far, there was minimal trouble before the game. It would limit the amount of flash points though as 1000 away fans being escorted through a city centre is alwasy going to be an invitation for some to cause trouble. Its not a question of thugs dictating, its a question of what is safest for the majority of fans, letting them all out together to mingle with each other is not it.

In that case thye'd also need to block off the side roads by the industral estates as fans were running up there to get at Pompey fans too. Or alternatively just use a bit of common sense and keep them in the ground until the areas directly surrounding SMS were clear.

i Dont think they are part of the culture but every club has an element, like it or not. Convincing yourself that rival fans will walk home together from local derbies as best mates doens't mean it is going to go away.

He was apparently the best left back in L1 last season, i dont know much about him other than that run for their goal against us at SMS. I cant see him coming here as second choice though, not when CCC clubs were in for him.

Harding is not a Centre back, anyone with half an ounce of football knowledge can see that.

That doesn't matter, Dune thinks we should all mingle together merrily, holding hands and swapping shirts and scarves. Putting up fences is allowing yobs to dictate.

That is an arguement for the future. At that time, at that place Feb 2010, you think Pompey fans should have been let out as you put it, 'to blend in with the dispersing crowd' also if saints fans looking for a ruck cant find any pompey 'yobs' then they can attack innocent fans, they were your words. At the time of 2004 no custodials had been handed out to Pompey fans, that came in the months after the game. The OB had no idea what might happen, so with no custodials to be aware of for the 'yobs' to worry about just the police to make the call on when to let the saints fans out they chose to keep them in, which in your view was the right decision. Which i agree with. So why, was it the right decison to let them out at the same time at St Marys? same circumstances.

well no it doesn't because according to you, 'Yobs' should not dicatate when people leave football grounds. They should be allowed to mingle with other fans freely, although not it would seem in 2004. I dont see why 'yobs' should dictate at when people leave Fratton Park but they shouldn't dictate when they leave St Marys, regardless of exit routes, having head starts etc. By having exit routes in place sure this is allowing 'yobs' to dictate? And obviously with regard to your comment about where most of the 'yobs' sit, you know this do you? Where do you sit?

and probably never been to a derby in his life despite claims not have missed one since 1996 and probably hardly ever goes to games, no one that goes regularly can be that clueless.

Its nothing to do with exit routes though is it Dune. You said earlier why should yobs dictate when people leave matches. Regardless of the way they would leave the ground you said you think fans should be mingle together. In your view, it was not right to let them mingle together in 2004 when the police knew there could be trouble and there was, however, it was right to let them do it in 2010, when the police knew there could be trouble, and there was.

Sensible to let them out so rival innocent fans can be attacked? That is very senisble. Much more sensible than keeping innocents and 'yobs' in the ground until there is no one in the area to attack them.

I dont see how they could have really as one was a 0-1 defeat played out in awful conditions and the other was probably the most gutless performance by a saints side in my lifetime. Regardless of the team and the weather though, you must have been furious at being kept in for an hour or more, surely? But that aside, bearing in mind what happened after the 2004 game though, do you think keeping the saints fans in after the game was right or wrong? Should they have been kept in the ground, or should they have been let out into the riot that was going on in the streets outside?

But you were held in the ground for over an hour Dune, was it not raining that day? The terrace was open back then, no where to cover from the rain. You must have been furious to have been made to stand in the rain all that time and not allowed to mingle with the Pompey fans outside? Really they should have let you out and face the baying mob shouldn't they, stood back and let they get on with it, rather than keeping you in Fratton Park when they knew full well there was a good chance of serious disorder outside the ground.

What else would you expect a copper to say? I am still waiting to hear what you said to the police when they stopped you mingling with Pompey fans in 2004. Come on, whats the hold up?

I agree mate, but if there is nothing to attack then no attack can take place. There is a better chance of confrontation being avoided if there is no one to confront.