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Posted earlier Ron.

Getting ready for government:lol: And they criticise the Conservatives.

Only the usual minority, the rest of us have lives to get on with.

I know it takes a lot to get used to after three months of cocksure arrogance that the remain result was in the bag, it is going to happen. The referendum result will stand and the UK will leave the EU, but it will be the Leave politicians that will do the negotiations. There is no way that the remain supporters could be allowed to negotiate especially with Cameron's feeble effort as an example. In the end after two years if there is still no agreement we are out anyway.

Sturgeon is chief minister by consensus as leader of a minority party as there is no party with a majority, The Scottish Parliament doesn't have the power to veto. It has devolved powers from the UK parliament which I suppose could be withdrawn and power returned to Westminster as happened with NI in the past. I suspect the Leave politicians are having a weekend off for a change. I think Labour have their own problems and the Conservatives are busily plotting to put forward a bunch of no hopers to be weeded out. I think Cameron jumped before he was pushed, he missed many tricks but he could see the writing on the wall. As for Ruth Davison as leader, don't make me laugh.

Get used to it folks we are coming out. If the politicians attempt to get out of implementing the result of the referendum it will destroy the Labour and Conservative parties and most of the MPs will lose their seats. There will be a constitutional crisis and Labour and Conservative will lose the best part of 13m votes enough to royally screw them and turn UKIP into the biggest party. Cameron is irrelevant and much as the left would like it to be a problem it will make no difference. Leave means Leave, all the mealy mouthed non acceptance that Leave was the result is just the inability of the self important so called intelligent people to accept the result. A vote the other way would have been presented as a clear mandate by the left and in this they would be right.

Probably a lot easier to deal with than either.

If the remain supporters really want a target there are several, Cameron and Osborn who didn't have the balls to go head to head with the EU and look for a real deal not a sham. 2017 was the deadline for a referendum so there was plenty of time. Merkel and her EU colleagues who didn't have the wit to realise that there was a problem and would have been much better advised to come to a decent compromise over what would have been much required reform in any case, to allow Cameron to sell the EU reform as genuine rather than a transparent PR con that fooled nobody. In both cases their arrogance and lack of connection with the people led to this. As for why didn't the 13m not vote, probably because most of them couldn't be bothered as they really didn't give a flying **** about remain or leave.

Remind me, how long is the queue. At the last count it was the EU with the TTIP. some queue.

I received an email today from my sister who moved to Ireland about five years ago. the Irish government were campaigning for those with votes to support remain. In April my sister told me she wouldn't vote as she felt that it was inappropriate as she was living abroad. Today she told me after the Irish Government intervened she registered and voted leave. She felt it was none of the government's business to interfere and I suspect many others felt the same way. Another shot in the foot, just one of many. Small wonder their arrogance lost the referendum.

Cutting to the chase, whilst those on here endlessly spent time researching and debating politely yet never agreeing, the Remain campaign was a nasty fear laden make it up as we go along, to frighten the people that dare to oppose them into voting to stay. Cameron and Osborn along with the gobby women on tv did as much to ensure the opposite result. Most of the older people had lived through and experienced recession, war etc and those pillocks didn't realise that the ethnic British people were the same sort of people that faced down Germany in two world wars and felt deeply about their country. So much so that seeing the manufactured foreign influences invited by Cameron to comment on his side together with the interminable talking down of the country by the liberal left of both parties gave them the determination to do something about it. 13m didn't vote. I told of the university room cleanout after the students had left which were littered with polling cards and postal vote papers never to be used. If the remain campaign had ended up 52% to 48% there would have been no whingeing or accusations from them about democratically remaining in the EU. That is why it's inappropriate having lost, to whinge about democracy. Get used to it, we are coming out.

Well I happen to be completely independent of the state and pay a fortune in tax every month so I pay for the privilege of having an opinion. I've had a proper Irish passport since 1963, dual nationality, English father, Irish mother and born in the old Irish Free State. I have an English passport again since the sixties and despise the EU and everything the twisted self serving monolith stands for. I do hope that we have had some small part in its eventual collapse.

Obviously no problem taking the English subsidies. If NI wants to go, go. SF talking about a United Ireland maybe that's the way to go.

The bubble got it wrong. If the EU want to make it difficult we need to learn to play hardball. If they don't want to export to us good luck with that. 13m didn't even bother to vote. 1.3m didn't vote in Scotland. If Scotland want out, thanks, we'll have our subsidies back where they belong, and good luck with that. Nobody from the government remain campaign should be allowed anywhere near the exit talks. Theresa May the useless Home Secretary who put her career first should hang her head in shame and disappear but she won't. Totally unsuitable to lead the country out of the EU.

Or not bother. My son called in at 0730 this morning on his way to work, I handed him his polling card and told him to vote on his way. He decided out though he works for Mercedes, but wasn't bothering. I told him I was on my way there now and I'd check he had voted. He had.

Presuming that the government chose to use a veto which looks as though it's not their intention. However public opinion might well turn that on it's head. If we are out the EU may well have it's own problems.

It may well be that if the vote is close to remain that it will turn UK politics on it's head. It is likely there will be a new anti EU party floated which will then incorporate the UKIP voters, Leave voters from Conservative and Labour which could give them a majority in the first past the post system in the next General Election as the remain vote would be divided on party lines. Then we will be out.

As for the Turkey accession, the talks are to start with the EU on 30th June with a view to resolving as quickly as possible Turkey's entrance to the EU. Although scheduled for some time this information has been withheld by the Government from the electorate. Just leaked in France. What a devious lying bunch of ****s they are.

I thought she was a gobby shouter that spoilt her good points with too much aggression. All her interrupting and the inability to let the other side make their points without persistent comments let her down. I can't see her changing too many voters, just a gobby lite version of Amber Rudd. If that is the up and coming leadership of the Conservative party they are in a lot of trouble, they will lose a lot of deposits. If the Conservatives ever make her leader of the party they are signing their own death warrant. Enough Conservative voters won't support a Scottish leader, especially a pro EU one, to make them unelectable. The Conservative party after this acrimonious referendum will be in deep trouble anyway.

And their records are so impeccable that we have to believe them. All these organisations in the past have been disastrously wrong in all sorts of predictions and forecasts over the years.

A fact is that this referendum will be decided by those who vote and more importantly by which side gets it's voters to vote. Purely as an aside, a friend has a residential university cleaning contract and told me today that although the students had gone their rooms were littered with polling cards/unused postal vote forms left behind. Presumably none of these students will now vote. It may well be that many that are agonising over the minutiae, will as I heard expressed on a radio program by one such person, probably abstain. I just think that the vote is pretty much cast in stone already and awaits Thursday. The politicians could really pack up and go on holiday, nobody is listening.

It's not every serious economist or as is regularly quoted 90% it is about 15% as of 4000 economists canvassed, 3400 declined to commit and about 540 out of 600 that committed supported remain. In fact 540 out of about 4000 not the same at all. Of the 3400, presumably there is a variation in views supporting both sides.

If the UK voting to pull out starts the collapse of the EU house of cards it will be doing a lot of people a favour.

330,000 immigrants plus illegals. NHS and GP waiting times unacceptable. Health tourists having treatment needing reimbursement £1 for every £14 we pay for our citizens in the EU no wonder the worm has turned. Helped of course by Cameron, Osborne and all those foreigners they have recruited to scare the voters who see right through them. I'm looking forward to them being forced out.

I see KBS has vote for Puel.