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Personally think the problem lies at board level, where as fans we view success as winning on the pitch, good football as a bonus. The board seem to view success differently, making a profit seems to be how they view success, for a while this worked, we sold good players at a premium, bought cheaper replacements who turned out good, decent managers got them playing. We had people like mitchell identifying players and managers, maybe not koeman but who knows if he was on a list that old les picked up. Then the managers get peeved, lack of ambition, better opportunities so leave. Les takes on the mantle of choosing managers who he views as accepting of his ways, puel, now pellegrino, probably grateful at getting a way in to the premier league. Players bought by les with the manager not involved, redmond. Potential managers interested until they see how they have to work, Tuchel. Suddenly les controls everything, the owners just want profit, success deemed as just staying in the league as cheaply as possible. Few months down the line and the club realise they don't have the players or manager to stay in the league, the board is crippled with fear, no football people at the club to help old les out of the hole he's dug us. Now we have talk of Walcott, Sturridge, Dembele trying to get out of the mess we're in, they're not interested in playing for a clueless manager and a sinking club, so we'll end up paying over the odds for second rate players in a desperate attempt to stay up. Meanwhile pellegrino will stand on the touchline, arms folded, gaping gormlessly as our opponents change things round during the game and he has no clue how to counter it

And there in one post is the difference between Southampton people and scousers. You would never catch a scouser rounding on their own for ripping in to us, or any other city. Southampton people seem far to keen to slate their own city. Scousers on the other hand will tell you Liverpool is better than anywhere, whether they believe it or not

Glad I sold the 10 I bought at around £38 about a month ago lol

Have to agree about Ripple, I bought into Bitcoin a while back but am looking to buy some Ripple too, which market did you use for Ripple?

I'm getting the message loud and clear. worry about uncontrolled movement of people across borders, your a racist and nazi. want your country to be in control of its own destiny, your a nasty populist/nationlist vote conservative, your right wing scum (I've voted both labour and conservative in the past) read the daily mail, thick racist scum want brexit, your a jihadist Oh yeah I get the message, if you don't like something someone says or does, then associate them or their opinion to something abhorrent, make them ashamed to admit that that's what they think, a sure fire way for the self appointed righteous people to win any argument. I'm sure you're a nice guy Verbal, but labelling people jihadsists just because they have a vision that's different to yours seems a little nasty to me. Sounds like it comes straight out of 1984, best watch what we say, the thought police are watching and listening.

Sorry, I have no idea what that's supposed to mean?

The trouble is, why would the EU want to screw us as a nation, as I said before they're willing to let 65 million people suffer just so they can keep their little club together, why would we want anything to do with that, look what they did to Greece, ruined a whole nation, this isn't something you should be doing to people just because of your ideology, sounds very aggressive to me. If the EU were fair and reasonable, they'd do a trade deal and they'd work hard to keep things working with Britain, but no they want to destroy us as a country. Doesn't sound too different to me than the Germans at the beginning of the last century. Just think of what they're actually saying to us, and people are getting scared because of it, where has our confidence as a nation gone? All the issues you state could easily be sorted if the EU were willing, what petty minded aggressive people they are to try and make us succumb to their will. Again, people just want to bend over and let us be dictated to. Why?? I think it's high time the EU stopped leading the negotiations and someone like the WTO stepped in to mediate, they call it a divorce but you wouldn't let the spurned husband control proceedings in court, why are they allowed to threaten us?

Was my first choice all along, but we're where we are now

Glad les had the forsight to give pellegrino the managers job and not silva

Agreed, something has to be decided, maybe they should have a referendum about staying in the eu....... oh I guezs the choice would be a hard body into the eu in southern ireland, or one in northern ireland before coming to the mainland

Not being rude but you do come across as quite arrogant, it seems to me like you can't accept other peoples opinions, I have friends who's opinions I don't agree with, but I don't find myself thinking they're morons. I also don't picture myself as more experienced or have better understanding of the world than other people, just because they don't agree with me on Brexit or Trump. I think you'd find that life would be a lot better if you just accepted other people don't all think the same way as you, doesn't make them wrong, just makes them different.

At the end of the day, all politicians of any persuasion thought remain would win. When it didn't we get stuck with 2 entrenched views, both refusing to accept the other view. I voted leave, not because I'm a rascist, not because I want all Poles to go home, but because I believe the UK are more than capable of making and applying our own laws. I'm happy to allow europeans to come live here and work, but we need to know who they are, we can't have some paedo from Romania just strolling off a boat and rocking up in a flat next to a school, we should be able to see who is and kick him out immediately. The same should apply to the likes of Gary Glitter going to live in Spain if they don't want him there. When we have some terrorist living in our midsts who we want out, it should be our decision, not europes with their echr, we're quite capable of deciding fairly for ourselves what's right and wrong thankyou very much, our courts and laws were the blueprint to most around the world. If this was just about a common market, where we could all trade nicely, then fine, but no, they got a bit of power, then slowly and surely they wanted more, grabbing more power from each member country, eroding our sovereignty at the same time, ingraining themselves into our laws, causing a such a tangled mess they hope it can never be untangled, turning us against each other, anyone who dares speak out against this labelled 'little Englander', 'uneducated rascist' where's the British spirit gone where the country works together, instead they've divided us, just waiting for the conquer part now. Even through the negotiations you've seen it made clear by junker and his ilk that they have no intention of giving us any sort of deal. Think about it for a moment, they want to ruin the lives of every uk citizen just so they can prove a point to the rest of europe, I'll say it again, junker thinks that making life hard for 65 million people is ok if it proves a point, do we really want to be part of a society that thinks that's ok? My opinion is that the following should happen, we can't turn back the result, we will be leaving the eu, if any member of the cabinet can't reconcile themselves with this, they should resign or be sacked immediately. Any eu citizens working here now should be given a green card and offered full residency, any others wishing to live here to work should be vetted and accepted provided nothing untoward pops up in the background check. After 5 years full residency offered. The eu should be given a deadline of the end of November to start trade negotiations or we walk away, no payment, nothing, When we go to WTO tariffs the government uses the money we would have paid as the settlement to subsidise this. Agree trade deals with the rest of the world. I know this is simplistic and people will scoff saying I just don't understand and you'd be right I can't understand why we should be punished for leaving the eu, I can't understand why the rest of the world are capable of having a deal with the eu, but it's too difficult for them to do one with us.

Lol I see what you did there. To be fair to Thatcher she had a right mess to sort out, the country was known as the sick man of Europe, it needed sorting and the unions strangle hold on everything had to be released, as the unions saw their grip being loosened, of course they were going to cause as much havoc as possible, thankfully what was done then, I believe, led to the good times we've all experienced since the 90s. I remember being sent home from school every lunch time as the teachers were striking, my clothes were nearly all second hand as we could never afford new stuff, the young today don't realise how hard things were back then, if they did they might stop and think before voting Corbyn in. The problem as I see it is that this all moves in cycles, labour come in, spend spend spend, eventually money runs out, businesses leave/go bust, unemployment rises etc. The tories get voted in as everyone is sick of this, they have to introduce strict measures to get control of the economy etc. this works for a while, then people forget about the hard times before, they get sick of having to cut their cloths, the left keep on about how unfair everything is, blah blah blah, they eventually get voted in and we start the cycle again. There needs to be a middle ground where both sides are kept in check, this is why Blair managed to stay in power for so long, unfortunately him and his cronies left the country in a mess when they were eventually kicked out, now we're back to repairing the damage and no one likes that. What does scare me is Corbyn and his ilk getting into power, he'll take the country back decades with his hard left policies. Interest rates will rise and people will lose their jobs and homes. We need a new party that takes the best from both sides and really works for the people, instead of the "I'm left, everything the right do is evil" and the "I'm right everything the left do is irresponsible".

Exactly, I've voted for both labour and tories in the past. Whilst I think this current government is weak and needs to have someone take hold and start running things properly, the alternative scares the **** out of me. The problem is the younger generation don't remember what it was like to have daily power cuts, rubbish piled up in the streets, unions bullying companies out of existence. They seem to have been indoctrinated from school, then uni that anything the tories do is evil, whereas anything labour do is 'for the people'.

Before spouting off shouldn't she have checked her absolute facts. It's like me turning up on tv and saying 'Jeremy Corbyn told the IRA to bomb us' then when challenged about it, saying 'I was told it's an absolute fact' and thinking that's enough.

Would be good to have a couple of original songs about the club and the city the crowd can sing instead of the generic player songs which get repeated round all the grounds. At least then the crowd won't need to learn new songs everytime a player leaves or arrives. OWTS can sound pretty good when the whole ground sing it, pity it's the only one we have about the club

I completely agree, Pelle was important for us, no doubt about it, Koeman put together a cracking team and mane was the icing on the cake. The difference with mane was he had that bit extra that could break a team down on his own. I remember games where the other team parked the bus and we struggled to break them down, mane gave us that bit of magic to do that,

I agree with all that, we definitely needed a big name to steady the ship after Pochettino and the subsequent departures. He definitely attracted some players too and whilst we had him here there's no way I wanted him to leave. But looking back and seeing his time at Everton I don't actually think he was as good as we thought. Last year he had Lukaku, with us he had Mane. I know the loss of those players would cause problems for any team, we're still coming to terms with losing Mane now but a top manager would have done this and maybe not have been so reliant on a single player in the first place, especially with the money everton spent. As you say, easy to look back and revise history, I just think that looking back and seeing Everton he seems reliant on exceptional players and when he no longer has them he's caught wanting like any other average manager. Would have been interesting to see how he panned out with us last season.

I liked Koeman when he was here and he seemed a good fit with the club. I am, now though, beginning to wonder whether he lucked out having Mane in the squad, if you take away what Mane gave us in Koeman's last season we would have been a pretty average team and I doubt we'd have got to where we did in the league. I remember there being some moaning around Christmas time about how bad the team were playing. So no, I don't think I'd have Koeman back, just on the fact that I don't think he was as good as we thought he was. That's before all the ****e with him snaking off to the wannabes

If he's having mental issues maybe he should get a doctors note and after 7 days be signed off on statuary sick pay like the rest of us. He may even learn a lesson in how normal people have to live on £90 a week should they be unable to work through illness.

Can you not see, this is exactly what he/his agent wants/expects. We give in now what do you think will happen next time a player feels like joining another club

I'm not sure we're being taken for a ride, we've bought 3 players so far, 2 of them have been around the £15m - £20m mark, I'm not sure many other teams of our stature have done this. The problem as I see it is that to get proven prem player you are looking at £30m upwards, we're just never going to pay this. Everton bought Sigurdson for £45m, great player that I think he is, that is way over priced. Everton with their new money are now moving into the bracket where they can poach players off Swansea and the teams below them, probably us included now, up till last year I don't think that has been the case. Fact is proven premier league players don't come cheap, they also don't normally come to us. It'd be interesting to know how the new owners are going to run the club, I wasn't expecting too much this transfer window but I guess next summer will be telling, just have to wait and see, until then we'll keep on trying to unearth gems and hoping we can get a few years out of them

What is the matter with you? firstly what is this obsession with getting safe, we shouldn't even be worrying about that, look up, not down. Secondly we should no way let him go in January, he should betold in no uncertain terms that he is to give us a full season, with full effort, then and only then we will consider selling him, IF we get the right price

Makes you laugh doesn't it, 'difficult to bring in good players. They are really expensive'. No **** sherlock, we all appreciate that there are bargains to be had, but at some point we need to stretch our budget and invest in a player who can make a difference

Thing is, this is exactly what he wants, whether it's his agent pushing him to act like this, or whether it's of his own volition, the fact remains that his side think that if he makes his position at the club untenable with the fans/club then he'll get his way, we can't let this happen or other players will think this is all they need to do should they wish to break their contract. You certainly wouldn't give in to a child stamping his feet to get his own way. To me this has become more than VVD wishing to leave, it's about the club taking a stand with players, we all know the good ones will eventually move on, but this must be on our terms, not when they decide, allowing that would just cause mayhem and instability