Tamesaint

I agree . Pay peanuts and you get monkeys. £68k or whatever they currently get paid is not necessarily peanuts but top people can earn much more than that so why would they want to enter politics?

I think that you will find that at the next General Election there will be several people in each constituency who want the MP's job!! Mind you, I agree fully with what you are saying. I agree that MPs are very under paid.

That is hilarious.

... and right on cue "jamie" comes wading in to support his mate Turkish. Do you guys have some sort of alarm system ... "Help . I am getting a kicking on the Saints Web. Come to my rescue!!" We just need that great brain CB Fry to make an aopearance and then it will be confirmation that Turkish is getting a kicking.

Quite easily - because by your own admission you ignore apartheid. Cherry picking events that suit your argument and ignoring the wider picture makes your views at best laughable and at worst racist.

You keep using that analogy of the head in the sand. I think you are losing on here. You need to find another forum for your views. Go on , go up to Speakers corner and try to convince people there. You might find people who will listen to you without laughing ..... there won't be many but there may be some. Go on.go up there.

There used to be an old boy at Speakers Corner who reckoned that he was the Sun God and that he controlled the sun. You should find him, stand next to him and explain to the world why we should ignore apartheid when judging Mandela. He wouldn't look quite so odd then.

The nearest tube to Speakers Corner is Marble Arch. It is on the Central Line. Why don't you pop along there and give the world your views ??? I am sure that if you go there for long enough you willl find a few people who will believe in what you say. You will probably find that most people will laugh at you .... but then you will be used to that from your posts here on the Saints Web.

Some nice words there .... but how on earth does Cork only get a 5/10???

Oh I see. We shoud judge Mandela completely out of context to his time and what was happening in his country when he was alive. It is certainly a bit of a strange view of history. Your views on the second world war must be interesting. Going by your logic, that Churchill was a bit of a nutter wasn't he?? Many more Germans were killed by his actions than South Africans were killed by the ANC. Was he a war criminal?? As for that von Stauffenburg who tried to assassinate Hitler - well he was nothing but an out and out terrorist. People were nearly killed by his bomb!!! This forum does come up with nonsense but writing the number of posts that you have on this thread (how many has it been ? - 50??) whilst trying to ignore apartheid is undoubtedly a prize winner.

Clearly you are the only voice singing in the wilderness. Never mind. I am sure that oneday somebody will come round to your way of thinking.You just have to be patient. I tell you what - you should go to London and stand on Speakers Corner. It is full of odd people spouting their views. It is always a good place for a laugh. You would fit in well there. Oh by the way.Does your grubby little racist site have any views on Sharpeville? Or doesn't that matter because it was 69 blacks that were killed by the South African police. If we are going to trade website allegations , what are your views on the information on this website http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-03-08-jacques-pauw-on-vlakplaas-apartheid-assassin-dirk-coetzee/ ... and before I go to bed for the night perhaps you could give Verbal a more considered reply than to be told that he is a lunatic. He asked some pertinent questions which deserve an answer ... and we all know that you like questions to be answered don't we.

I am getting worried about you Turkish. Last night you took exception to a derogatory statement that I made about Nick Griffin. Today you have displayed an unhealthy knowledge of some racist websites. I would defend your right to have extreme right wing views .... but people with those views deserve the names that wade garrett gave you.

Another intelligent response. Getting really rattled now aren't you Turkish. LOL.

What an intelligent response. LOL

So all that about John Simpson was you proving an inability to read and comprehend ?

Where did I claim to be an expert? Pergaps having been there I do know a little bit more than people who have not been there. And talking of answering difficut questions, when are you going to answer Shurlock's last night?

What on earth are you on about?

You observed that the country was not united. My view having visited the place is that this is not the case. People we spoke to were clearly proud of their country and the concept of a "rainbow nation" trying to make a place for itself in the world. I guess that people who have left the country and have made their minds up that the place is going to the dogs are not going to sign its praises. The people they have left behind do seem to have a national spirit.

Reading and comprehension clearly not your strong point today CB. You claim not to understand when I wrote "the country undoubtedly has its problems." Never mind.

So unless I lived in a shanty town I know nothing about the place?? Its funny, my passport has got a couple of SA entry and exit stamps, we travelled independently around the country and visited so many places but apparently I would know more about the country by talking to Sour Mush and Turkish. Who needs to travel aanywhere if you have Turkish's and Sour Mush's prejudices.

Speak for yourself mate. We do different sort of holidays ... or would knowing what you talk about be such a change for you that you wouldn't be able to cope?

So in other words , you have never been there but are quite happy to pass judgement on the place. Hmmmm. Someone may say that you don't know what youare talking about.

Not united? On what do you base that opinion? Have you ever been there? Ifso, I woud be genuinely interested in how you come to that conclusion. I have had 2 holidays in SA and have seen a fair bit of the country. It is a young country and undoubtedly has its problems .... but name me a problem free country. When I have visited I have met a friendly, generally courteous set of people who are proud of their country and who believe in the rainbow nation concept. Their belief in their country's future is quite refreshing and they are , dare I say,a more united country than the UK atm. Please share your experiences if you have visited it and have found it different. If you have not visited and are basing your judgement on the British press then I suggest that you change your newspaper.

Well, he did admit that he was really thick.

LOL