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Deary me. Just read back at your various comments / questions on this thread, and then re read what you've just written.

MLG, for about the 5th time : Q. How does my neighbour, praying only for peace of others (not asking for God to change anyone's mind), impact on you or anyone? When you have the grace to accept that it doesn't, then please explain why you have any right to challenge or police what she believes and her private right to prayer

Many. The assumptions are based on your posts. And no, don't ask me to quote them, I have better things to do. But briefly, your comments appear to show that you assume that people pray for themselves, for god to change people's minds, that they pray to one particular god, that people who pray subscribe to religion etc etc. If you don't have those assumptions, then I have no idea why you're like a dog with a bone on this subject.

You're completely swerving this, again. Answer a really, really simple and direct question. Answer it with an answer, not a deflecting question. Q. How does my neighbour, praying only for peace of others (not asking for God to change anyone's mind), impact on you or anyone? When you have the grace to accept that it doesn't, then please explain why you have any right to challenge or police what she believes and her private right to prayer.

Mate, you are full of assumptions and your challenges are based largely on those. You assume that people pray for themselves. Most people pray only for others. My neighbour, praying only for peace of others, does not impact on you or anyone. If I'm wrong, explain, and tell me why you have any right to challenge or police what she believes and her private right to prayer.

Try separating prayer, God and religion. 3 different things. Many people who pray don't believe in the god that you seem to assume they believe in, and many who believe in god/a god, don't follow an organised religion. Once you have done that answer my question from a while back and explain how my non religious neighbour praying to her conception of God asking for others to have peace, has any impact on you and/or why you feel that you have any right to challenge her thoughts and actions.

Nonsense. Nobody is beholden to the personal opinions and choices of others re a) prayer, or b) God, or c) religion. We're beholden only to our own beliefs. Everything else is a matter of personal choice - what I choose to believe has nothing to do with anyone else so why should anyone have a right to challenge it? Sure, they may regard those beliefs as nonsense as you put it, but I didn't realise that we live in a world where everyone is a thought police officer to everyone elses personal/private beliefs.

I forgot bosch. Saw a few and liked it. Will give it another go. And yes, a lot of rubbish on all channels sadly. That nazi thing was dreadful, not sure what they were thinking of with that.

Amazon has sneaky Pete which I enjoyed, man in the high castle is superb, Goliath good although last series ****e. Marvellous Mrs Maisel much better than I was expecting. Ozarks is brilliant. Watched first couple of series 3, gotta get onto that. Not much of the new netflix or amazon stuff is doing it for me though.

Cheers. I've heard good things. Best movie I've seen in ages was green book. Tremendous.

I really enjoyed it. Very different role for Sandler, and as you say, very well done. The missus didn't watch it with me so it's definitely on the watch again list. It's Two Popes tonight.

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Disagree. He's criticising and challenging people's thoughts, actions, views, opinions in circumstances where others are entitled to such personal feelings without needing to justify or explain. In short, they have feck all to do with him. Sure, he's entitled to say that religion is boll0cks, that he disagrees with the concept or power of prayer, that he thinks anyone who believes in God or something they choose to call God is a nut job. That's cool, I respect his opinion but I wouldn't dream of challenging it or seeking an explanation to views he's entitled to form.

We've ended up with a pandemic flowing from wuhan. Speculation is that it began after a fella ate a dodgy bat. Unless and until there's widespread international acceptance that was the source, I'll keep an open mind.

From, one animal ****ting on an animal that's then eaten? An animal that will likely be washed, skinned and cooked?

Yep. A deferment is not a sacrifice. It's essentially a loan to the club at a time when even footballers would struggle to spend their wages anyway.

What's the solution? Ban prayer or a belief in God because some religious practices are at the extremes? If so, perhaps we should ban democracy cos the elcted Israeli government kill and mistreat Palestinians?

Serious question, do you believe we could be half wiped out cos someone eats an animal covered in sh:t from another animal?

I get that. What do you suggest? Ban prayer for people who have no affiliation with an organised religion, and organised religion,, because some extremists in organised religion act like loons?

2 other points. 1. You fuse together prayer / belief in a god or deity / organised religion. That's wrong. See 2. 2. Are you suggesting that because of your perception (which I don't accept is how any words on scriptures should be interpreted in a modern civilised world) that its OK to demonstrate the MLG type intolerance of other peoples belief in a) the power of prayer for them and/or others. B) their belief in a god (but not necessarily a religion), and c) a religion that they see and practice as non violent?

Don't confuse extreme loons with the general modern message of religion. Because some individuals choose to believe and implement extreme / violent views does not render that religion a violent one. The vicar in my local c of e Church would not advocate or promote violence, but that doesn't mean that some nutter of the same faith could walk into a shopping centre with an AK47 based on his own interpretation of the words in the testaments.

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Nobody should ever condone acts of violence. I don't condone it in the apparent name of religion any more than I do t condone violence for any other reason.

First part. What you highlight is the opposite of live and let live. You highlight intolerance and an unwillingness to accept and respect other people's right to their own beliefs. Instead, the likes of MLG feel the need to challenge and shout down other people's beliefs. That's intolerance, and disrespect of the views of others - nobody is asking him to accept or agree with others, but there's absolutely no need for his challenge and criticism. Live and let live - believe in what you believe in (or don't) and leave others to their own beliefs. Second part. Noted. I don't subscribe to any organised religion and personally find large chunks of the bible far fetched. However, other people believing that stuff has no impact on me, and if it helps them, then good luck to them.