StrangelyBrown

Great gutsy performance - even the kids came on and did us proud. Couldn't be more proud to be a saint tonight!

One mistake does not make a liability. Don't get me wrong I'm not a Stephens fan, but he was good today. If you are going to judge based on one mistake is Ings now a disaster?? He made numerous mistakes/poor decisions today and arguably one of the weaker players on the pitch.

I think we've again been undone by not being able to break down an unadventurous team again. Ralph has been far too slow to try and change things up and seems too content to try and nick a spawny goal to win these sort of games. I thought defensively we were pretty good. Unfortunately we seem to have lost that bit of zip with the ball that we had earlier in the season and I can't help but feel that we've been somewhat found out. Djenepo doesn't seem to be on the same wavelength as Bertrand and Ings hasn't hit the form we would expect from him, but the service is awful at the moment. Adams had an off day but hardly surprising given he was booted in the head.

Walcott has given us most of the threat so far. Need to continue to exploit his and walker peters pace down the right hand side. Left hand side is looking weaker, but what I can't work out is whether the cause is djenepo or betrand (everyone who plays in front of Bertie at the moment seems to play shit)

Sorry I can't agree with that. He was awful throughout. He might have taken his offside chance we'll, but he was offside FFS. He did very little to create a nuisance of himself, but did a spectacular job of making runs into the same areas as Che and being on a completely different wavelength to everyone else. Shane has never been good enough for a regular starting spot for us and now he spends half his time jogging around looking useless he wouldn't be good enough for most championship teams.

He's been poor today but long is setting the benchmark for proper shit

Djenepo on, long off and, Walcott up front and we've got a good chance of winning this.

Who is this idiot commentator, has literally no idea what the rules are and has his tongue so far up Fulham's arse it is quite ridiculous. We're suffering from having 10 players (or should I say Shane long) - looking very poor going forward today

Lol - it seems we're in agreement (read what I said). I was talking about off the ball - where I think he does well. On the ball he makes poor decisions, but I personally think these are down to a lack of confidence and over thinking.

I'm not defending Redmond and my comment was more general, but to say he doesn't have good technique or control is quite a statement - the player I see has good technique and when he's on his game has fabulous control, but for too long he has lacked confidence and more importantly makes poor decisions with the ball. On the flipside he does have good awareness of the game around him with intelligent runs and particularly playing against the ball which is sadly lacking from others who are lauded for their play with the ball - djenepo consistently causes us problems with his headless chicken approach to defending, Walcott frequently leaves gaping holes when he gives up the chase and Armstrong seems to give up the ball far too easily in ridiculous places. Unfortunately none of our number 10s are consistent or have a complete game, but all of them do a good job for a team who are giving the big boys a run for their money.

It's interesting that fans expect anything else from these sort of players. If they were consistent they would be among the best players in the world and playing for Barcelona, real Madrid, Liverpool, man city, etc... I can't really think of any player in these positions who doesn't blow hot and cold and frustrate fans and doesn't play for a top team. For example when zaha was consistently doing it in one season for palace he was suddenly a £100m player.

Disgusting. Under the current rules that is a pen every day of the week.

We don't deserve to be losing this - we've had far more chances than them, their quality showing in taking their best chance. I'm wondering what it is that is preventing Dean from getting his yellow out for man city players (except de bruyne) - another biased to the big boys performance so far.

I think we'll see an attacking approach from city which could play into our hands. As you say city need a win so I can't believe they will be cautious. An early goal from us would be very disruptive to them and I suspect we'll see a bit more energy in the press from the start - which I agree probably means a rest for Armstrong.

I can't believe I'm disappointed with an away point against arsenal - an away point that takes us third! Has to be said that ref was abysmal. Nice he decided to even it up by putting his side down to 11 men. Probably should have been a pen, but I would have been fuming if that was given against us.

What a goal from redders! Vest has been amazing today. Adams has been phenomenal - incredible workrate, strength and link up play.

Just resurrecting this one to see what people's opinions are now he's had a few games. For me he's a useful addition to the squad, but isn't exactly the Messiah. I'm certainly not seeing him as a great signing at the moment - just an ok one at a time when we don't seem to have money to spend. Thoughts?

Good result in the end, didn't play that well mind. Vest was immense tonight - clearly feeling the pressure of salisu waiting in the wings 😀

2 pens that by the letter of the law we're pens, but neither would have been given in the past. Seems fair to me.

If he could only add finishing to his game... He wouldn't be playing for us 😀

I must have missed that. I've just seen some very vague answers that are open to interpretation

LeG as you seem to be ITK can you confirm that this isn't just an injury problem?

Perhaps this is all as simple as it seems? He's had an injury is taken a while to get over it, there have been a few set backs along the way, but all minor and the club are managing him back to full fitness without risking a serious further injury... Sometimes the answer is the most obvious. Or we could take the le tissier view that this is ALL A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!

Klopp may be intelligent and articulate, but not intelligent enough to realise he needs to rotate his players and that the reason he has so much money at his disposal is because of TV and the extra games they have to play. He's made himself look a proper wining victim these last few weeks worthy of his crown as king of the bin dippers Favourite managers would be Clough and Strachan - both fantastic in their own way

I suspect it is that the position is a 60 minute position rather than Armstrong being a 60 minute player. No matter who plays in one of the 10 positions, they seem to be knackered in the second half which then causes us to be under too much pressure. These positions are key to our press and as soon as they stop pressing we start defending further back, which in turn puts us under pressure. Perhaps we just need to have replacements for both those positions at the right time?