Saint86

I had us down for promotion in pre season... but then i had complete faith in Adkins. He had a good crop of players and he delivered. At sheffield and Reading he had crap and delivered a fair result regardless. He achieves was is realistic, expectations are another thing.

It boils down to whether we want to give up our sovereignty because we feel like we cannot govern ourselves and a self sufficient democracy... Or to put it another way... given the shambles on the EU run continent, do we honestly think they can govern us better than we can ourselves? and are people really going to vote to that effect?!?!?! Ignore the scaremongering, do you want a parliament that you directly elected having control over your lives. Or do you want the citizens of poland, germany, france, turkey (in a few years) etc electing people that pass laws governing your life... that tell us what products we can sell in our shops, whether we can dredge flood risk rivers, what road signs need to be changed... That is the fundamental story for me. If you look past this and at all the scaremongering that goes on then the misinformation and propaganda campaign of this government is a joke. Security... For starters, the eu is not a defensive alliance, that is Nato!! Most of the eu do not even contribute the required amount of their GDP into defence anyway... on top of that, the immediate threat to the UK and its citizens (us, your kids, your parents etc etc) is terrorism... and being in a uk with open borders to Turkey and the fact that we will eventually get dragged into Shengen is frankly alarming! There are hundreds of thousands of unregistered migrants floating around europe as it is and this situation is only ever going to worsen. Trade - we have a growing trade deficit... Europe is not a successful economic region in relative terms and as a trading alliance is actually very limited with regards to industry, resources etc etc. No need to limit ourselves to this. In addition, if we are such an unimportant economy that is unable to survive alone in the world... then why is the whole fecking western economy stalling over a concern that we might leave the EU... TTIP. If you don't know what that is then look it up... Most alarming backdoor trade agreement in my lifetime. god knows what else. Long story short, if you believe that Britain is incapable of managing itself then vote to stay in. If you still have an ounce of national self respect vote to leave and build a stronger britain.

In other words..... We have to finish at least 7th to get european football... Therefore, come on Bournemouth, Stoke and Chelsea!!

My understanding of the rules now is that 8th will not get Europa league. So we are fortunate that we will beat palace and west ham will not win away at stoke!

Put your chip away, it is incredibly embarrassing. Saints have been getting loads of plaudits this year and if anything our lack of hype is because people associate us with our position and performances...Where as west ham and Leicester have over achieved in the media's eyes.... Seriously dell sized mentality on display here.

We'll see if thats the case next tuesday...

sorry, i mean if 7th place gets CL qualification, does the EL spot go to 8th?

My understanding is that the prem gets as standard 4 CL places, and 1 Europa league place. Then, if a top 5 team wins the capital one cup, 6th place gets the EL spot? Then, if a top 6 team wins the FA Cup, 7th place gets the EL spot? But then, if 7th place win the CL, doesn't 8th place get the EL spot? Or do i have this totally wrong? General question

Gonna call BS on that I'm afraid

Lowe investing in the youth development and stadium are the two things that ultimately saved the club. His weakness was his business decisions with regards to transfers and he should never have listened to the fans and hired Hoddle back. As it is the fans got us sturrock and we were relegated... Do any of us care that we got relegated given where we are now? I very much doubt it? With that in mind, given that the stadium and youth set up is the foundation of why the Liebherrs purchased us and are the basis for the club we see today can I in good conscience blame Lowe? No. Get that chip of your shoulder. That man took a club from a tiny old stadium, gave us a world class youth setup and a brand new stadium with double the capacity... all with limited finances. He was also doing alright in the champ tbf before barclasy went back on their agreement and pulled the plug. Fans need to see things in perspective some times. There are Lowe's and their are Chanrais... And I am damn sure 100% of the fanbase (minus Roger maybe) would chose Lowe.

He didn't refuse our offer. We overlooked him and he got very salty to the local media.

The mere fact that you said that proves you are... I wonder how long it will take the mods to boot you off this time. Glasgow especially was banned a very long time before you joined. ****ing troll.

Steve Davis was once again one of our best players today. Mad how fans can't appreciate what he offers. Far better than Wanyama and clasie in that midfield.

Really dont get your point. If people want to watch it they would surely?!?! Are you implying it is due to the quality of BT's coverage or due to limited access to it? BT are entitled to pay what they want for it and people need to adjust to them for the time being, just like people who want to watch sky have to pay to get the full quality. All it needs is one family member with sky and one with BT anyway? Find it hard to believe that doesn't cover a very good junk of interested people? And failing that there are always streams?

If this happens, Tottenham would come in for Koeman and Clasie. Liverpool would try to sign Long, VVD and Pelle.

in that scenario, doesn't 8th get Europa League? I was under the impression we have 4 CL berths, and 3 Europa league births. Plust a 5th CL berth if Liverpool win the CL, giving us the extra spot? Or is that totally wrong?

Martina will become a cult hero for saints. called it in august and see no reason to change my view.

I would give it a couple of years. I doubt there was much improvement for the two years in league 1. And i doubt we'll reach anything like the bale, lallana, theo age bracket until you add 7 years from our return to the prem.

I also think this is not outside the realms of possibility.

Tadic is very frustrating. I like him as a player, but time and time again his final ball was shocking. That and giving the ball away for free with crap passes to the guy five meters from him. I don't know how you define frustrating... but that does it for me and most fans.

Simply not good enough. Definitely two points dropped and Europe hanging by a very thin thread as a result. Only positive I see is Jayrod being back. Great to see! And that was a cracking effort he had.

I think the point is that we are currently in a great position to be a stable mid table team. From time to time, we will put together a great team and be a surprise which is why i highlight how we'd have done better with Morgan, clyne and toby this year. Last team we had a great team due to a couple of quality transfers and the existing strong team. Just like this year, West Ham have produced a cracking team with players like Lanzini and Payet. Each season for us now feels like trying our hand in the market, and trying to score a couple of gem players whilst keeping together what we have. Some times we will get it really right (ala last season), others will be poor... The challenge is to keep progressing piece by piece. The same concern remains for me however, and that is that youth development has slowed and practically ceased. Apart from that I am content. I think that Virgil, Fonte, Forster, Long are quality for us. Tadic, Mane, Claise and Bertrand are all really good players, and the rest do a good job. Not much to moan about, but not exceptional either. Get a couple of quality players to push us forward and we'd be a very strong outfit again.

We would have easily been top 4 with Morgan, Clyne and Toby, perhaps higher.

Good read thanks. Was an interesting analysis and as you say mirrors what a lot of fans on here say. We need better attacking players to create chances. And I personally don't think we have come close to replacing Morgan. Serious money should be spent on a creative attacking midfielder and a morgan/wanyama replacement.

It is not possible to give this award to anyone but Sir Tommy Forepast. Really makes me question your place as a saints fan if you don't this...