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Do you accept that IS don't seem to have a problem killing Muslims as well as others?

Who would have thought it. Hypo and me agreeing on something?

Depends what your definition of backlash is. It would appear that you expect them all to come out publically maybe? You have ignored the evidence that their has been a response. You have ignored quite reasonable opinions that actually the atrocities have nothing to do with "normal" Muslims and that they have nothing to apologise for. Fair enough, That is your opinion. I think you are wrong. We will have to agree to disagree.

This is the point isn't it? What are people supposed to do? It has nothing to do with them. They have no responsibility for the actions of a minority of nutters. We shouldn't forget that Muslims are also victims in some of the indiscriminate killing that goes on. About 60 were killed in 9/11 alone.

Blimey, if I had a quid for every time that a thread went off topic I'd be minted!

Fry and I have quite a long history, I will leave it at that. I made a comment about Hopkins but my point was more to do with the Muslim backlash and it wasn't me that made a huge deal about it. I was just responding to other comments. Hypo brings it up every now and again as it seems to amuse him. As As for the backlash, I have seen plenty of condemnation from the moderates but I suppose it depends on what you consider what is enough? What has it got to do with the blokes in the curry house for example? Do they need to fly the tricolour or the Belgium flag in solidarity? I know I am being glib but it hasn't got anything to do with the majority of Muslims so why should they feel the need to apologise or distance themselves from a bunch of nutters? As I said, there was a Muslim peace march in London a while back that was given very little media coverage. There may be a lot more going on that we don't hear about, it doesn't mean it isn't happening. Oh, and there are ways of disagreeing with people that don't have to be personal or unpleasant.

I can and have, it is just that neither of them seem to bother to respond to clearly islamophobic comments and this presented a golden opportunity to do so.

I have seen plenty of condemnation including a peace march by Muslims in London not long after the Paris atrocities, not that it was given much coverage in the news. It is there if you care to look for it, unless you are Katie Hopkins of course.

C B Fry or hypo, would you like to comment?

What is bizarre is the way that you try and twist something in order to try and make yourself look superior. I have never claimed that the activities of the terrorists were not evil. I also am aware that they are not the only people who carry, or have carried out atrocities over time, something that seems to be a problem for you. Still, you defended a poll in The Sun that was spun in a way to show moderate Muslims in a bad light so I guess that says it all. I suppose The West is completely blameless for the current situation and the Gulf War and the desire for oil has nothing do with where we are now? Still, you and your apprentice have an odd set of priorities. I'd rather be laughed at that be an Internet troll.

Katie Hopkins made some comments a while back that she thought that not enough Muslims were coming out and condemning the atrocities. I made a comment about it on here to the effect of how many is enough because clearly there is a backlash from the moderate Muslims, but clearly not from enough of them to satisfy her. Unfortunately it then became more important to debate whether she was a Christian or not - which still seems to be bothering one of our number more than the bile that she spouts.

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Right on cue!

Its hard to tell nowdays Whelk! As for Hopkins, do we know one way of the other for sure? She might not display Christian values as we know them (but then nor do the kiddy fiddlers amongst the clergy) but she was brought up in a convent school and made a big fuss to Andrew Neill about taking her child to the nativity play at her school so even if she doesn't buy into Christianity she is displaying an element of hypocrisy if she is happy for her daughter to be raised as a Christian. I know I will get hypo on my back again shortly saying just because they go to a Nativity that has nothing to do with being Christian, which seems very odd to me as the whole thing is about celebrating the birth of the Son of God, but hey ho.

Do you really think that the Archbishop of Canterbury would have written that? Especially #ReligionOf Murder? I think it is time to move into a new shell Whelk, this one seems to have cut off the blood supply to your brain

Here is a little something for those on here who think it is more important to debate whether Katie Hopkins is a Christian or not rather than deal with the bile she spouts (would that make them a Katie Hopkins apologists?). I could have chosen from several unpleasant tweets but I think this one sums her up perfectly - "Any mosques lit up in the colours of the Belgium flag? No - thought not. Just celebrations in prayer houses country-wide#ReligionOfMurder"

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I give up. What an odd thing to say! You know perfectly well what I am talking about and if you don't you are even more obtuse than I thought you were. Have a nice day.

Hypo clearly does. These things are important to him. Like Katie Hopkins. It is far more important to pull someone up for making a comment about her perceived religion than it is to pull up people for phobic comments don't you know. Oh, that and accusing clearly moderate posters as being apologist for terrorists. Its all about priorities you see.

Yes I know you said they were not the same. I am not sure why anyone would need to say that as the clearly are very different but I have forgotten, this is the alternative World of Hypo we are dealing with. As for not even talking to me, when did the fact that I haven't been talking to you stop you making your crass comments. Just for the record, I was taking the p*ss.

I am not sure that a few people bickering on a football internet forum will make the slightest bit of difference to anything. Still, I expect Hypo will be along in a minute to put you right.

Still going on about Katie Hopkins. Why is that more important to you than the Islamaphobes? As I said before, you have some strange priorities. And if belief in God doesn't make you a Christian then I am not sure what does. Just for the record, Jesus Christ was supposed to be the Son of God. So if you believe in God I guess it follows that you believe in Christ and are a, yes, you've got it. A Christian. Unless you don't believe in God and don't believe in Christ which makes you Jewish. What seems to be confusing you that you seem to think that people who are "Christian" cannot carry out non Christian acts. You must really struggle with the kiddy fiddling that goes on with many clerics, or doesn't that exist, along with Islamaphobes?