England v Germany

Maybe im being ignorant, I know of the rivalry between Germany and Holland but how did it come about?

World War II

Both teams have half the team with key players, England are probally more experienced and start as favourites to win.

2-0 already.

Awful, f**king awful. Our defence is woeful, and we look like a bunch of old men against the enthusiams of youth.

Rooney is listless and clueless again, and our single tactic is to (over)smack the ball up the middle and hope it finds someone.

At least it will be only 90mins and not 120....

Gonna stop watching at 3-0.

England need a re-build for the Euro 2010 campaign.

World War II

Don`t forget the first one!

Gonna continue watching now? 2-1

can't believe that wasn't given... disgusting !!!!

Rugby and cricket have "goal-line" technology but it`s not suitable for football??

I think that will be the moment we look back on and say if only... The germans will re group in the second half and the game will not flow like it did at 2-1. I think that is our chance gone... I hope I am totally wrong and we win it 4-2

Gobsmacked that it was not given.

first 30 mins went as i expected. Germans have done their homework, pressed us and against the first proper test our defence was shambolic at times.

Then a big shock as the Germans fell asleep at a short corner, and 'the goal that wasn't' was an even bigger shock.

Key team talk here for Capello, the Germans will go straight back to their game plan and it's up to us to whether we compete or let "the goal that wasn't" stick in our minds, get frustrated and get overrun.

I'm sure all of us England fans will be consoled by FIFA's "we very much sympathise with England's situation but the linesman must see the ball cross the line" statement afterwards.

Blatter et al. must have spat their champagne out in laughter. Pay back for '66.

Besides the game doesn't get decided by one awful decision, I bet the Germans know that, do we?

You utter, utter c*nt Sepp Blatter.

Rugby and cricket have "goal-line" technology but it`s not suitable for football??

Only reason it is not suitable for football is Blatter is still alive.

You utter, utter c*nt Sepp Blatter.

He will love it if England don't go through because of that goal.

Don`t forget the first one!

Holland were neutral in that one.

I guess Germany just took revenge for '66?

There's the poor England moment everyone will cling on to conveniently forgetting the first 2 games, shouldn't even be playing the ****ing krauts.

There's the poor England moment everyone will cling on to conveniently forgetting the first 2 games, shouldn't even be playing the ****ing krauts.

I can see the Germans winning this 4-1 or 5-1 if Capello doesn't get the dressing room together.

If we decide to compete in the second half we have half a chance.

If we decide to moan, get frustrated and don't concentrate the Germans will overrun us

I wish they would all shut up about goal-line tecnology. It wasn't given, deal with it, move on. Lampard should have aimed for the goal and not the crossbar. We are crap and no amount of technology will change that.

Game over!!!

What a disgrace! 4-1, not even in the game.

Worst England team ever!

PS: Apart from Graham Taylor's of course!

time to rebuild I think

utter ****

Capello out.

Bring in an English manager not some foreign person who has no clue and has to learn the language.

utter ****

 

Capello out.

Bring in an English manager not some foreign person who has no clue and has to learn the language.

Agree get Hodgson in before Liverpool snap him up!

Booooooooooooooooo!

Players I do not want to see in an England shirt again.

E Heskey

J Terry

S Gerrard

M Upson

Anyone who brings on Heskey has probably lost the plot.

FO Fabio and take Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney and Heskey with you. Get some young lads in to play as a team, not a bunch of billy-big-******** out for personal glory.

Theo must be ****ing himself laughing right now.

Is there a single player who can hold his head high when they return home

Time for a massive cull

just hope AP stays a saint although if he was to become england boss at least Rickie would score & KD save a few

I can see the Germans winning this 4-1 or 5-1 if Capello doesn't get the dressing room together.

 

If we decide to compete in the second half we have half a chance.

 

If we decide to moan, get frustrated and don't concentrate the Germans will overrun us

I called it from half time.

We were outclassed. Simple as that.

The goal was still stuck in the England players minds and it showed. Can you imagine us defending like that against Messi , Tevez etc.etc.? They'd have torn us apart.

Germany have a decent team, not as good as the South American teams but they are very good at what they do and what they have at their disposal.

If we'd have been defending a dangerous free kick with a 2-1 lead we'd have got all 11 players behind the ball, hoofed the clearance, invited more pressure.

The Germans were looking at where our players were to get players ready to counter attack before we'd even swung the ball in. They do their homework and always get the job done.

The English team is run by greed, self indulgence, reputation and hype and little substance. The England team is a marketing product. Just because the players earn 100k every week they think their world beaters and sod putting any effort in. And we aint getting to any world cup semi finals unless it changes.

One moment summed it up perfectly. Instead of bringing on our most potent goalscorer in the last couple of years (Crouch), we went 4-1 down and brought Emile Heskey on to save the day!!!

Lampard and Barry were f**king awful. Gerrard's sense of where the goal was just wasted chance after chance. Rooney - I dont even know where to begin. Did he send his crap twin brother to South Africa ?

We need a complete rebuild before Euro 2010 starts. Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Barry all need to be gone, and I would think twice before building the team play round Rooney again..

Anyone who brings on Heskey has probably lost the plot.

totally agree 1 goal in god knows how many internationals, Crouch kept on the bench

******** joke

The English team is run by greed, self indulgence and hype and little substance. Just because the players earn 100k every week they think their world beaters and sod putting any effort in. And we aint getting to any world cup semi finals unless it changes.

Excellent comment.

I simply could not believe that third goal. Not only was the freekick plain sh*t from Lampard, he didnt even bother running back to help stop the counter attack until it was far too late.

Hodgson or Redknapp (I hate to say it, and will get it on the forums) for me as England manager.

But just has to be someone who know the English mentality, we dont keep ball, never have.

And just pick the people that have played well and are not injured near the end of season...

King, Ferdindand, Cole - all injured pretty much all season

Rooney - injured near the end.

Darren Bent should have been picked.

utter ****

 

Capello out.

Bring in an English manager not some foreign person who has no clue and has to learn the language.

Doesn't matter which manager we have, we need a massive culture change before anything else.

They said LeTissier was a luxury..........Well Lampard is a ****ing liability & he plays for England......all the time - No goals in a world cup. Bunch of tessoers!!!!!

Excellent comment.

 

I simply could not believe that third goal. Not only was the freekick plain sh*t from Lampard, he didnt even bother running back to help stop the counter attack until it was far too late.

To be fair that was Barrys fault - as the holding midfielder he just ran with the ball into the edge of box and then got mugged by a few quick Germans. Harsh to blame Lampard for that. If Barry had knocked the ball out left the goal wouldnt have come.

You lot should be pleased, you'll have something legitimate to moan about (Lampard's "goal") for years to come...

Doesn't matter which manager we have, we need a massive culture change before anything else.

yep. England will never win a Euro or WC because it is incompatible with the aims and activities of the FA and PL

wow, that was pathetic.

The England media are as much to blame for the expectation as anyone, where are these world class players they keep bollocking on about? We don't have any. They are ''good'' club level players, when they are around the foreign players

Lampard - Essien at Chelsea

Terry and Carvhalo at chelsea..

gerrard and masch at liverpool....

the foreigners make our players look much better than they actually are. I'm not saying they're crap crap players, they're just not world class as the media keep boasting.

an example of a proper international class player is David Beckham, and unfortunately we couldn't use him. Goals at world cups, euros, real madrid, ac milan... man utd. None of the current players in our team would get close to that sort of level.

We're too slow at the back, Glen Johnson and Upson are not international players and never ever will be. They're there because we have no better, that's the crux of it.

Yep the 2-2 should have stood, but that doesn't matter because we deserved to lose that 2/3 times over. Abysmal, and Capello needs to shoulder some blame as well for this.

Pathetic preparation.

Let's just enjoy the rest of the world cup now. and roll on the new season....

You lot should be pleased, you'll have something legitimate to moan about (Lampard's "goal") for years to come...

It doesnt excuse that performace today.

I bet the ref is relieved.

That was such a bad game, plus I'm going to blame the Primier League for not making sure more english players are developing at the top club with them just buying.

I feel c**p and Fab should go.

Is there a single player who can hold his head high when they return home

David James is perhaps the only one. Ashley Cole was miles off the pace and the Germans just ran straight through our defence.

 

Let's just enjoy the rest of the world cup now. and roll on the new season....

yep, completely in Saints mode now, and part of me is glad we arent in that media circus the PL next year.

I thought James was poor today to be honest. 1st goal the ball bounced all the way through to the pen spot. 2nd goal why did he run out that far, should of just stood up on the near post. Couldnt do much about the others it had to be said.

That was such a bad game, plus I'm going to blame the Primier League for not making sure more english players are developing at the top club with them just buying.

 

I feel c**p and Fab should go.

Capello is undisputed at club level and his honours are up there with the best, but i think he's tried to bring his club management style onto the international scene and is too stubborn to change his way, and i think you need to. You cannot manage an international team the same as a club team, it doesn't work.

wow, that was pathetic.

 

The England media are as much to blame for the expectation as anyone, where are these world class players they keep bollocking on about? We don't have any. They are ''good'' club level players, when they are around the foreign players

 

Lampard - Essien at Chelsea

 

Terry and Carvhalo at chelsea..

 

gerrard and masch at liverpool....

 

the foreigners make our players look much better than they actually are. I'm not saying they're crap crap players, they're just not world class as the media keep boasting.

 

an example of a proper international class player is David Beckham, and unfortunately we couldn't use him. Goals at world cups, euros, real madrid, ac milan... man utd. None of the current players in our team would get close to that sort of level.

 

We're too slow at the back, Glen Johnson and Upson are not international players and never ever will be. They're there because we have no better, that's the crux of it.

 

Yep the 2-2 should have stood, but that doesn't matter because we deserved to lose that 2/3 times over. Abysmal, and Capello needs to shoulder some blame as well for this.

 

Pathetic preparation.

 

Let's just enjoy the rest of the world cup now. and roll on the new season....

Totally agree, once again the foreign player debate will come into play.

You lot should be pleased, you'll have something legitimate to moan about (Lampard's "goal") for years to come...

I think you'll find that the awful performance will linger in the memories longer than that 'goal'. We were crap in all four games and we only scored three goals. We got what we deserved.