For the attention of Markus Liebherr

[trousers]

Thank you for saving our club.

Edited 30 August, 2009 by trousers

[kpturner]

Are you suggesting we should start bribing refs?

[isking]

You hysterical to***r!!

[trousers]

You hysterical to***r!!

 

I think that's a tad harsh on Mr Liebherr at this early stage

[SaintRobbie]

I think that's a tad harsh on Mr Liebherr at this early stage

 

Agreed.

[Saint Fan CaM]

 

 

Mmm, I have a feeling he would point you in the direction of Stockport - in administration with 20 very young, trialist players in the squad that managed to perform against an experienced team that must be worth in the region of £12m at least. It's all about getting the right type of player now and ensuring there is some form of continuity, understanding and spirit in the squad that leads to some simple grit instilled to see out a frickin' one goal lead.

[oxfordshire_saint]

We've already spent more this summer than most clubs in this division will spend in 7 or 8 years

[Denzil]

 

I agree, this old man needs to start spending his money.

[Thedelldays]

We've already spent more this summer than most clubs in this division will spend in 7 or 8 years

exactly..yet we still make excuses...

 

getting silly now...

[benjii]

If Man City don't win the league then it's a sure sign they need to spend more money.

 

I expect their fitness is also involved somehow.

[Junior Mullet]

 

Spoilt *****

[hypochondriac]

exactly..yet we still make excuses...

 

getting silly now...

 

I think people realise that we are improving and that results may take a little while to be achieved. We were robbed of a pre-season and it is still taking it's toll with some players having played just a couple of games since coming in.

[saintedwill]

 

Hasn't he just spent about £10M clearing our debts?

Edited 30 August, 2009 by saintedwill

[benjii]

This really has been a terrible weekend for this Message Board.

[TheSaint75]

Hasn't he just spent about £40M clearing our debts?

 

£40m?

Err..... no

[saintedwill]

This really has been a terrible weekend for this Message Board.

 

agreed

[saintedwill]

£40m?

Err..... no

 

sorry, 1 & 4 are close together on the keypad

[Badger]

It is disappointing but probably inevitable that we now have the posts ,from Trousers and Window Cleaner in particular, slating Markus Liebherr.

 

Lets remember that we almost had no club at all.Perhaps you should ask where we might be now had Pinnacle by some quirk had got through the door and we were now at the behest of Michael Fialka and his business acumen.Of course they would have used MLT as a puppet chairman so that we might not question their intent or record but does anyone think that would be more palatable than where we are now ?

 

 

Although I may be inclined to question AP's actions etc over forthcoming weeks,I am happy to leave the club in the hands of ML and Cortese as its probably the best leadership and management of the club for in excess of a decade.

 

Finally,for ML's critics, if he decides to withdraw his interest because of fans fury,where will that leave us ?( Think Newcastle,think Mike Ashley for an obvious example if the answer isn't immediately clear enough).

[John B]

It is disappointing but probably inevitable that we now have the posts ,from Trousers and Window Cleaner in particular, slating Markus Liebherr.

 

Lets remember that we almost had no club at all.Perhaps you should ask where we might be now had Pinnacle by some quirk had got through the door and we were now at the behest of Michael Fialka and his business acumen.Of course they would have used MLT as a puppet chairman so that we might not question their intent or record but does anyone think that would be more palatable than where we are now ?

 

 

Although I may be inclined to question AP's actions etc over forthcoming weeks,I am happy to leave the club in the hands of ML and Cortese as its probably the best leadership and management of the club for in excess of a decade.

 

Finally,for ML's critics, if he decides to withdraw his interest because of fans fury,where will that leave us ?( Think Newcastle,think Mike Ashley for an obvious example if the answer isn't immediately clear enough).

 

 

The problem is that with the team we have our results should be better I would have thought

 

So it must be down to something it used to be Lowe's fault so now it must be something to do with the new regime as they are running the club

[benjii]

The problem is that with the team we have our results should be better I would have thought

 

So it must be down to something it used to be Lowe's fault so now it must be something to do with the new regime as they are running the club

 

I think you'll find they are trying to undo the damage done by Lowe. Clearly, given the damage wrought was so terminal, this will take some time.

 

Well done for finding a contrary Lowe related angle though. Give yourself a little star or a ****.

[John B]

I think you'll find they are trying to undo the damage done by Lowe. Clearly, given the damage wrought was so terminal, this will take some time.

 

Well done for finding a contrary Lowe related angle though. Give yourself a little star or a ****.

 

Perhaps so but I still think most of the dmage was done when he was not here but of course I maybe wrong.

 

It is not a pro Lowe stance just not a true believer in all the Pardew hype and his anti referee stance which cannot be good for the future wherevery decision by the Ref is going to be argued with.

[Badger]

The problem is that with the team we have our results should be better I would have thought

 

So it must be down to something it used to be Lowe's fault so now it must be something to do with the new regime as they are running the club

 

The first part rests with the manager and coaching staff and it is too early to start calling for heads.

 

The second aspect became Lowe's fault as he continually did nothing to stem the decline in terms of investment,and from the time WGS left made a succession of poor managerial appointments/decisions.

[saintjay77]

FFS why we talking about Lowe?

 

Yes we should be doing better and to be fair the team prob needs a rocket up its arse to make sure the performance gets the rewards its deserves. from what ive read it sounds like we should have won comfortably which is much better than how we played against milwall.

 

Things are improving and yes we probably need 1 or 2 more players to really make a difference but i think we are a long way off needing to slate those at the top who have bought the club with a plan to get us back up the leagues. throwing money at it now would be madness IMO

[John B]

The first part rests with the manager and coaching staff and it is too early to start calling for heads.

 

The second aspect became Lowe's fault as he continually did nothing to stem the decline in terms of investment,and from the time WGS left made a succession of poor managerial appointments/decisions.

 

I dont want to discuss Lowe and his Legacy the point I was trying to make is that in the past Lowe was blamed for poor results now posters will rightly or wrongly obviously be blaming the new regime and you should not be surprised by that.

 

With no wins it is not surprising that all the posts are not positive even with no points deduction we would still be in the relegation zone

Edited 30 August, 2009 by John B

[Saint Fan CaM]

I really do not think it has much to do with amount of money spent. It is more to do with the type of players in the team. Lallana is a good player, but for our current predicament he is next to useless because he is being played out of position - AP is trying to make him into a winger which he is not. It will take some balls from AP to drop certain players to maximise the teams chances. He has dropped Wotton, so I am in fact a little optimistic he will sort things out.

[Badger]

I dont want to discuss Lowe and his Legacy the point I was trying to make is that in the past Lowe was blamed for poor results now posters will rightly or wrongly obviously be blaming the new regime and you should not be surprised by that.

 

With no wins it is not surprising that all the posts are not positive even with no points deduction we would still be in the relegation zone

 

Fair points,and like you I do not wish to rake over these ashes.It is a shame that a once stable club has become accustomed to calling for a management or boardroom head.

[S-Clarke]

I really do not think it has much to do with amount of money spent. It is more to do with the type of players in the team. Lallana is a good player, but for our current predicament he is next to useless because he is being played out of position - AP is trying to make him into a winger which he is not. It will take some balls from AP to drop certain players to maximise the teams chances. He has dropped Wotton, so I am in fact a little optimistic he will sort things out.

 

spot on.

 

You saw how Adam played v N'hampton and Brum - one of the better players, because there was no pressure in those games.

 

He is seriously struggling with the expectation and pressure of our current league situation (which is getting bigger and bigger as each game passes without a win), taking him out for a few weeks whilst we claw back into + points would not be a bad move imo.

 

He'll still get games in the JPT, where again i expect him to stand out.

[Saint Fan CaM]

spot on.

 

You saw how Adam played v N'hampton and Brum - one of the better players, because there was no pressure in those games.

 

He is seriously struggling with the expectation and pressure of our current league situation (which is getting bigger and bigger as each game passes without a win), taking him out for a few weeks whilst we claw back into + points would not be a bad move imo.

 

He'll still get games in the JPT, where again i expect him to stand out.

 

Lallana was just an example, but a key one. Actually, I think there is a good reason we played better without Schneiderlin dropped to the bench on Saturday and its for the same reason. We need the RIGHT players in the team for our current situation. If we were flying high brimming with confidence then Lallana, Schneiderlin (and Mellis for that matter) would be great luxury players that could really turn on the style, however that is not what we need right now.

 

What we need is a strong creative central midfield and two pacy, strong, fearless wingers. That will provide us with the attacking opportunities to score and win. Trying to take the ball central all the time will result in one-dimensional play that the opposition scouts will soon latch onto (if not already) and throw 10 men behind the ball to stifle our attacks. It happened in the CCC and its starting to happen now.

[eurosaint]

FFS why we talking about Lowe?

 

Yes we should be doing better and to be fair the team prob needs a rocket up its arse to make sure the performance gets the rewards its deserves. from what ive read it sounds like we should have won comfortably which is much better than how we played against milwall.

 

Things are improving and yes we probably need 1 or 2 more players to really make a difference but i think we are a long way off needing to slate those at the top who have bought the club with a plan to get us back up the leagues. throwing money at it now would be madness IMO

 

The voice of reason, well said !

In virtually every game we have introduced new players to the team, so inevitably it will take time to gel ! Drawn 3, lost 2 is disappointing for sure, but we will become difficult to beat in the future and with a couple more quality signings I am confident that we can kick onwards and upwards !

I have seen the 4 home games so far and feel that we have improved game by game so that is encouraging !

As for those who may slag off the new owner, get a grip, please....

[The Dogman Of Bassett]

 

Absolutely pathetic. What a fool you are.

[Window Cleaner]

Absolutely pathetic. What a fool you are.

 

Correct, Mr Liebherr wouldn't ever use a cheap biro such as that one.

[saintsmike25]

 

What absolute morons some of our fans are.

Who could we buy? honestly, we're -7 & bottom of league one.

It's not gonna attract big name signings before the season began we were better off. Our start hasn't helped us there.

But it's obvious what we need is a RIGHT winger to give the team width and possibly a pacy striker if Saga goes.

[J Bizzle]

Old man rivers needs to start spending his moolah on some good players.

[Window Cleaner]

Old man rivers needs to start spending his moolah on some good players.

 

Needs to convince them that they want to come here first.

[forever a red and white]

stupid, isn;t it enought that he has already saved the club, cleared the debts and making us financially sound, not to mention investing nearly £2million in players already.

 

Markus has supportedd the manager, now we need to give Pardew time to repay the faith shown by Liebherr

[John B]

stupid, isn;t it enought that he has already saved the club, cleared the debts and making us financially sound, not to mention investing nearly £2million in players already.

 

Markus has supportedd the manager, now we need to give Pardew time to repay the faith shown by Liebherr

 

Yes but unfortunately it is results which count.

 

 

 

If we had won five or six games more last season Markus may not have been here

[J Bizzle]

stupid, isn;t it enought that he has already saved the club, cleared the debts and making us financially sound, not to mention investing nearly £2million in players already.

 

Markus has supportedd the manager, now we need to give Pardew time to repay the faith shown by Liebherr

 

He didn't clear any debt. The debt was wiped away as soon as we went into admin, he just paid whatever it was he paid for the club. Should be looking to spend another 2 mill, even if one player is in Jan.

[Northam Girls]

Old man rivers needs to start spending his moolah on some good players.

 

When are you gonna GROW UP. Your the kind of kid that causes havoc in the supermarket coz mum said NO you can't have some sweets.

 

We are in Div 1 - We are on -7 points - we had our pre season screwed through no fault of either ML or AP.

 

Why should any self respecting player want to come and play for us in preference to the Premiership, Championship or high placed teams in Div 1.

 

It doesn't matter how much money you have if there's nothing to spend it on you can't spend it.

 

Would you pay £1m for a new car that should only cost £20,000 ?

 

Stop being a spoilt little brat or stop calling yourself a Saints supporter

[John B]

When are you gonna GROW UP. Your the kind of kid that causes havoc in the supermarket coz mum said NO you can't have some sweets.

 

We are in Div 1 - We are on -7 points - we had our pre season screwed through no fault of either ML or AP.

 

Why should any self respecting player want to come and play for us in preference to the Premiership, Championship or high placed teams in Div 1.

 

It doesn't matter how much money you have if there's nothing to spend it on you can't spend it.

 

Would you pay £1m for a new car that should only cost £20,000 ?

 

Stop being a spoilt little brat or stop calling yourself a Saints supporter

 

 

I think too much is being made of our preseason being screwed up.

 

 

Although I would have thought ML would have had a manager lined up before taking over

[Thedelldays]

When are you gonna GROW UP. Your the kind of kid that causes havoc in the supermarket coz mum said NO you can't have some sweets.

 

We are in Div 1 - We are on -7 points - we had our pre season screwed through no fault of either ML or AP.

 

Why should any self respecting player want to come and play for us in preference to the Premiership, Championship or high placed teams in Div 1.

 

It doesn't matter how much money you have if there's nothing to spend it on you can't spend it.

 

Would you pay £1m for a new car that should only cost £20,000 ?

 

Stop being a spoilt little brat or stop calling yourself a Saints supporter

 

 

i think you should look at saints and then look at the likes of brighton

[chrisobee]

This is just pathetic and has absolutely no place on this board. Should be deleted asap, possibly the worst of a series of ridiculous posts/threads. We really do have some idiotic fans.

[A Nut Can Cut You]

This is just pathetic and has absolutely no place on this board.

 

This.

 

One of the most shameful threads I've ever seen posted here.

 

:smt009

[J Bizzle]

When are you gonna GROW UP. Your the kind of kid that causes havoc in the supermarket coz mum said NO you can't have some sweets.

 

We are in Div 1 - We are on -7 points - we had our pre season screwed through no fault of either ML or AP.

 

Why should any self respecting player want to come and play for us in preference to the Premiership, Championship or high placed teams in Div 1.

 

It doesn't matter how much money you have if there's nothing to spend it on you can't spend it.

 

Would you pay £1m for a new car that should only cost £20,000 ?

 

Stop being a spoilt little brat or stop calling yourself a Saints supporter

 

Pipe down love, go make your self a cup of tea. Actually, didn't/don't really do sweets/chocolate/crisps. I'm a finely tuned athlete.

We have very good training facilities and Southampton is a very attractive club to anyone outside the Prem. We are building a team, and thats what is attractive. Players will want to be part of something that is going to improve, just like Leeds.

 

Also, women know **** all about football.

[Give it to Ron]

He didn't clear any debt. The debt was wiped away as soon as we went into admin, he just paid whatever it was he paid for the club.

 

Are you sure about that???

So Barclays and Aviva didn't get a penny if the debt was wiped away?

My gosh there was me thinking it was the creditors who had a say in what was accepted with Fry.

[Jackie@home]

If you think that you can turn any kind of failing organisation or business around in a matter of weeks, then you have obviously not gone through this experience yourself.

When we took over our business ten years ago it needed a year to get it on the right track and starting to make a profit. All existing staff have to be assessed - they might be good people who just need more training, they have learn your way of working, systems have to be updated. The people you need cannot instantly be found at the drop of a hat, life's not like that. Sometimes it can take a year for the right person to become available. All you can do is start to get things on the right track, knowing that the hard work will eventually begin to pay off.

 

So far the new signings have been as good as we could possibly hope for considering our current status, the team is definitely playing better, and results will come. It's a mammoth job. Ferguson took several years to turn around Man U, why should it happen for us overnight? WGS didn't start winning the minute he was appointed.

 

If we followed the knee-jerk reactions of some of posters on here we would have a different manager every 6 weeks. I can understand some of the teenagers on here having some pretty irrational opinions because of their lack of real experience, but you have to wonder at some of the adults.

[J Bizzle]

Are you sure about that???

So Barclays and Aviva didn't get a penny if the debt was wiped away?

My gosh there was me thinking it was the creditors who had a say in what was accepted with Fry.

 

We were given the 10 point deduction as a result of the debt being paid off. When he took over, the club had no debts.

[benjii]

He didn't clear any debt. The debt was wiped away as soon as we went into admin, he just paid whatever it was he paid for the club. Should be looking to spend another 2 mill, even if one player is in Jan.

 

Oh dear.

 

Good job you're not doing a law/business/finance degree or that 99% average would be looking vulnerable.

[John B]

If you think that you can turn any kind of failing organisation or business around in a matter of weeks, then you have obviously not gone through this experience yourself.

When we took over our business ten years ago it needed a year to get it on the right track and starting to make a profit. All existing staff have to be assessed - they might be good people who just need more training, they have learn your way of working, systems have to be updated. The people you need cannot instantly be found at the drop of a hat, life's not like that. Sometimes it can take a year for the right person to become available. All you can do is start to get things on the right track, knowing that the hard work will eventually begin to pay off.

 

So far the new signings have been as good as we could possibly hope for considering our current status, the team is definitely playing better, and results will come. It's a mammoth job. Ferguson took several years to turn around Man U, why should it happen for us overnight? WGS didn't start winning the minute he was appointed.

 

If we followed the knee-jerk reactions of some of posters on here we would have a different manager every 6 weeks. I can understand some of the teenagers on here having some pretty irrational opinions because of their lack of real experience, but you have to wonder at some of the adults.

 

 

I dont care about a failing businesses we are talking about a football team.

 

Other clubs bring in a new manager a few new players and then start playing well but not Southampton

[benjii]

We were given the 10 point deduction as a result of the debt being paid off. When he took over, the club had no debts.

 

The club now has no debts because Liebherr paid them off through reaching an agreement with the creditors. Had he not reached an agreement the club would have been wound up. The debts did not disappear because we went into admin.

 

You are wrong.

[S-Clarke]

The club now has no debts because Liebherr paid them off through reaching an agreement with the creditors. Had he not reached an agreement the club would have been wound up. The debts did not disppear because we went into admin.

 

You are wrong.

 

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