lordswoodsaints Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Nice stadiums don't win you games Nice training facilities don't win you games Great history doesn't win you games Loyal fans don't win you games But good,well motivated,fit players that want to play for you,coupled with a clued up manager gives you a better chance. At the moment we aren't good enough to give us a better chance. Obviously the players who are hoping to move on are a distraction but why play them,I wouldn't give them the time of day. Pardew should getting the players who want to be here to gel,its no good trying to get players who won't be here next month to try and gel together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 We put in a good performance today, we just need a finisher. Denied a penalty, hit the bar twice and had a goal disallowed. It will come, be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Oh FFS. What a great thread. Seriously, brilliant. Well done you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dogman Of Bassett Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Nice stadiums don't win you games Nice training facilities don't win you games Great history doesn't win you games Loyal fans don't win you games But good,well motivated,fit players that want to play for you,coupled with a clued up manager gives you a better chance. At the moment we aren't good enough to give us a better chance. Obviously the players who are hoping to move on are a distraction but why play them,I wouldn't give them the time of day. Pardew should getting the players who want to be here to gel,its no good trying to get players who won't be here next month to try and gel together. What an amazing post; amazingly stupid post. Do you have any comprehension of what is going on and what is required to turn a bankrupt team of losers into a winning team capable of achieving? No, I thought not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 What an amazing post; amazingly stupid post. Do you have any comprehension of what is going on and what is required to turn a bankrupt team of losers into a winning team capable of achieving? No, I thought not. Well perhaps we could get some tips from Leeds and Charlton.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Well perhaps we could get some tips from Leeds and Charlton.. er, that would be Leeds who have been in this division for three years and Charlton who appointed Parkinson and let him go 20 games without a win and a relegation into his career then?? Fecking hell, get a grip and grow soeme BALLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 29 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 29 August, 2009 We put in a good performance today, we just need a finisher. Denied a penalty, hit the bar twice and had a goal disallowed. It will come, be patient. Havnt we already bought the best finisher in the league,do we not already pay a large amount of money to a polish international striker,do we not also own a player coveted by premier league clubs in lallana?? We might have put in a good performance today but I don't agree we need a finisher,if we do we are in trouble as we won't attract anybody better than what we already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Anyway, Colchester up next Saturday, if they crap all over us Pardew is as good as gone, improvement or no improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hectors house Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Lordswood, please tell me you were not at the match last Tuesday. Perhaps you went today and saw something different to the radio commentators and the other posters on here who were there and from what I have read are saying we played well. How can you say "we aren't good enough". Every match we are looking better (IMO) as Pardew gets to know his players and the team get to know each other. I am confident that we are "good enough" and will get a lot better over the next few months, hopefully soon enough to make a push for the playoffs. Your world sounds pretty depressing, in mine I am looking forward to the season with an optimism that I have not had for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Lordswood, please tell me you were not at the match last Tuesday. Perhaps you went today and saw something different to the radio commentators and the other posters on here who were there and from what I have read are saying we played well. How can you say "we aren't good enough". Every match we are looking better (IMO) as Pardew gets to know his players and the team get to know each other. I am confident that we are "good enough" and will get a lot better over the next few months, hopefully soon enough to make a push for the playoffs. Your world sounds pretty depressing, in mine I am looking forward to the season with an optimism that I have not had for some time. Yes, indeed. Unfortunately some are less emotionally developed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Anyone who knows this management anecdote will understand why we are still in a habit of throwing away leads. FFS, to say Pardew's job is on the line is a joke. If we keep scorig first we will start converting and all will be fine. If you look at the players we have bought in they are better than what we have. Keep the faith, that's what makes a Saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Nice stadiums don't win you games Nice training facilities don't win you games Great history doesn't win you games Loyal fans don't win you games But good,well motivated,fit players that want to play for you,coupled with a clued up manager gives you a better chance. At the moment we aren't good enough to give us a better chance. Obviously the players who are hoping to move on are a distraction but why play them,I wouldn't give them the time of day. Pardew should getting the players who want to be here to gel,its no good trying to get players who won't be here next month to try and gel together. Well I didn't go today, but I was at Swindon the other week where we were actually helping Swindon with their shots at goal tally. For Saints to go away and have 18 shots on goal is vastly different from what I witnessed the other week. We didn't take our chances and paid with a last minute equaliser, but you must take heart from the performance because it shows that things are getting better. There will be times where we will play worse than that and win, but I think it's harsh of you to condemn a good performance in this way. Yes, we should have won, but the evidence is there that Pardew is turning things around but it won't happen overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymojo44 Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 yawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Benji, go happy clap elsewhere We huff, and we puff, but we don't blow the bloody house down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Here we go again - cue the facking we're doomed brigade FFS - will everyone just chill and give it the time that's needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Here we go again - cue the facking we're doomed brigade FFS - will everyone just chill and give it the time that's needed What Xmas when we are 15pts from safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Benji, go happy clap elsewhere We huff, and we puff, but we don't blow the bloody house down Nope, you moan and you groan and get tedious. It's 5 games in after a pre season where we failed to beat Eastleigh, Totton, Bournemouth and Salisbury. What did you honestly expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Nope, you moan and you groan and get tedious. It's 5 games in after a pre season where we failed to beat Eastleigh, Totton, Bournemouth and Salisbury. What did you honestly expect? More than 3 pts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 More than 3 pts Fantastic, great response. We all hoped for that but some people realise it might take time. What do you propose now then? Sack Pardew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Fantastic, great response. We all hoped for that but some people realise it might take time. What do you propose now then? Sack Pardew? After 5 games, surely everyone expected more than 3pts, especially having been in a winning position in 3 of the games No, i wanna see AP sort it out, but it has to happen quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 What Xmas when we are 15pts from safety? How short sighted, it isn't Xmas yet - surely you can see the elements of improvements starting to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 After 5 games, surely everyone expected more than 3pts, especially having been in a winning position in 3 of the games No, i wanna see AP sort it out, but it has to happen quick. of course we hoped it would be better! Did anyone seriously say "You know what? I really hope we don't have a storming start to the season. Our best bet is to not win any of our first 5 games." If you want Pardew to sort it out then you need to appreciate the starting position he had. It's not ideal, it's not great and if we haven't done better by the end of the year then it's probably time to worry but now is not the time (and it's boring). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonibell Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 We put in a good performance today, we just need a finisher. Denied a penalty, hit the bar twice and had a goal disallowed. It will come, be patient. True played much better today (should have seen the Huddersfield and Swindon game) One win and they will flow like waiting for a bus One comes and a load come together COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 of course we hoped it would be better! Did anyone seriously say "You know what? I really hope we don't have a storming start to the season. Our best bet is to not win any of our first 5 games." If you want Pardew to sort it out then you need to appreciate the starting position he had. It's not ideal, it's not great and if we haven't done better by the end of the year then it's probably time to worry but now is not the time (and it's boring). its boring not to agree with the happy clapper 'In AP we trust' brigade? This is a forum. Open discussions etc Time is not on our side at the moment. We need to string together 3 or 4 wins ASAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 its boring not to agree with the happy clapper 'In AP we trust' brigade? This is a forum. Open discussions etc Time is not on our side at the moment. We need to string together 3 or 4 wins ASAP ASAP - All Support Alan Pardew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 its boring not to agree with the happy clapper 'In AP we trust' brigade? This is a forum. Open discussions etc Time is not on our side at the moment. We need to string together 3 or 4 wins ASAP Can you explain to me precisely what your whinging is doing to improve us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 its boring not to agree with the happy clapper 'In AP we trust' brigade? This is a forum. Open discussions etc Time is not on our side at the moment. We need to string together 3 or 4 wins ASAP No one has said we don't want to win games and no one has denied you the freedom to express your pointless opinion. In the absence of any argument except "we need to win games" your posts are without substance. If you're going to moan then at least have the balls to back it up with a decent argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 We put in a good performance today, we just need a finisher. Denied a penalty, hit the bar twice and had a goal disallowed. It will come, be patient. when Lamber signed he was our finisher... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Lambert... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Anyway, Colchester up next Saturday, if they crap all over us Pardew is as good as gone, improvement or no improvement. LOL Let's have a new manager every month. The voice of the modern day football fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 When AP arrived in JUly he talked about needing to bring in 'one or two' players and that he would be looking at Bosmans and free transfers. Maybe he thought the squad was better then it was and maybe the owners had placed a tough limit on spending. Since then the transfers have been good, but not enough of them, and the two loans suggests the transfer budget is still being kept tight. AP must know by now that there is not enough quality in the squad. The niaivity at Stockport when the team failed to keep possession of the ball in the final minutes, speaks for itself. The necessary response has been obvious for the last two weeks ar least - that we need to spend to improve and so far we haven't spent enough. This is not about AP as a manager, it is about the transfer policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 When AP arrived in JUly he talked about needing to bring in 'one or two' players and that he would be looking at Bosmans and free transfers. Maybe he thought the squad was better then it was and maybe the owners had placed a tough limit on spending. Since then the transfers have been good, but not enough of them, and the two loans suggests the transfer budget is still being kept tight. AP must know by now that there is not enough quality in the squad. The niaivity at Stockport when the team failed to keep possession of the ball in the final minutes, speaks for itself. The necessary response has been obvious for the last two weeks ar least - that we need to spend to improve and so far we haven't spent enough. This is not about AP as a manager, it is about the transfer policy. We're you at the game to witness the teams performance and dodgy penalty awarded deep into injury time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 We're you at the game to witness the teams performance and dodgy penalty awarded deep into injury time? The commentary team on Radio Solent, incl Dave Merrington were painting a perfect picture, thanks, and they could see a gaol coming before the penalty was given, they also pointed out the failure to score a second goal despite the chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 There are some really tiresome 'fans' on here....or 'loyal' fans, according to Lordswoodsaint, them sets out to run the team, and managment down.....Window cleaner wants to sack AP........you really couldn't make it up. You really do have to give it some time guys.......only the same whinging few on here, expect to be promoted this season....most of us are realistic (happy clappers according to the yoof), and promotion, if it happens this season, will be a bonus. FFS, on the managers back after a handfull of games..........you really couldn't make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 30 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 August, 2009 There are some really tiresome 'fans' on here....or 'loyal' fans, according to Lordswoodsaint, them sets out to run the team, and managment down.....Window cleaner wants to sack AP........you really couldn't make it up. You really do have to give it some time guys.......only the same whinging few on here, expect to be promoted this season....most of us are realistic (happy clappers according to the yoof), and promotion, if it happens this season, will be a bonus. FFS, on the managers back after a handfull of games..........you really couldn't make it up. I don't think anybody was expecting promotion this season,if they were then they must be deluded......if you read back through my posts I have been questioning the people who thought we would be promoted or get into a play off position. IMO we will be kicking around the bottom 3 for the rest of the season and will be lucky to stay up......that is realistic. I don't think there are many advocating sacking pardew but like me there are a few questioning wether he is the right man for the job,wether or not he is capable of the task ahead and wether he will be given the time and resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 I don't think anybody was expecting promotion this season,if they were then they must be deluded......if you read back through my posts I have been questioning the people who thought we would be promoted or get into a play off position. IMO we will be kicking around the bottom 3 for the rest of the season and will be lucky to stay up......that is realistic. I don't think there are many advocating sacking pardew but like me there are a few questioning wether he is the right man for the job,wether or not he is capable of the task ahead and wether he will be given the time and resources. No-one should be advocating sacking Pardew.......but some are. It's fine saying that in your opinion, he's not capable of the task ahead....then pray tell, who in your opinion is??. Fans help to get managers sacked, and the few on here, who are already clearing their throats, should be hanging their heads in shame................as the main reason (IMO), as to why we are in league one, was the rapid turnover of managerial appointments...and so the circle has closed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 30 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 August, 2009 No-one should be advocating sacking Pardew.......but some are. It's fine saying that in your opinion, he's not capable of the task ahead....then pray tell, who in your opinion is??. Fans help to get managers sacked, and the few on here, who are already clearing their throats, should be hanging their heads in shame................as the main reason (IMO), as to why we are in league one, was the rapid turnover of managerial appointments...and so the circle has closed again. As you say,this is your opinion which I respect even if I don't agree. I must say I was underwhelmed by his appointment as IMO there has always been a suspect side to his managerial career,something that was evident in the game against Swindon. I am behind him but I will continue to poke,prod and question when things are not going right but on the flipside I will give praise and applaud when things look good. This would be my attitude whoever the manager is,I'm not one of these people who have blind faith in a person or manager,this may come across as arrogant or negative but I see it as constructive.......managers cannot be right 100% of the time and I'm sure they are big enough and paid well enough to take a bit of criticism as well as taking the applause. I expected us to be in a better position than we are,we are not so I am questioning why.....I might not like the answers but I will accept them if they are realistic,what I won't accept is the answers from the people with blind faith as these people are no better than the religious nuts who knock our doors on a Saturday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 We were very very unlucky yesterday. Not that the likes of Delldays and the other planks will be having any of it. And yes i was at the game. FFS we have some ****ing dickheads for fans.:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pele Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Lordswoodsaints what do you suggest we do ........as obviously you have the knowledge to get us out of this precarious situation!!! some fans on here need to grow up and grow up quick. We will be fine and I am pleased with everything the club is doing at the moment.Wins will come hopefully soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Lordswood, please tell me you were not at the match last Tuesday. Perhaps you went today and saw something different to the radio commentators and the other posters on here who were there and from what I have read are saying we played well. How can you say "we aren't good enough". Every match we are looking better (IMO) as Pardew gets to know his players and the team get to know each other. I am confident that we are "good enough" and will get a lot better over the next few months, hopefully soon enough to make a push for the playoffs. Your world sounds pretty depressing, in mine I am looking forward to the season with an optimism that I have not had for some time. Agree generally with your post however the "push for the play offs" bit is a tad optimistic at present! we started the season at 10 points off the top and after 5 games we are 22 points off the top! We need to clear our defecit quickly and start picking up points in line with the top 6 if we are even to get to mid table! I know there are 46 games in this league but we are already more than 10% into them! Avoiding relegation is I think our first main aim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 As you say,this is your opinion which I respect even if I don't agree. I must say I was underwhelmed by his appointment as IMO there has always been a suspect side to his managerial career,something that was evident in the game against Swindon. I am behind him but I will continue to poke,prod and question when things are not going right but on the flipside I will give praise and applaud when things look good. This would be my attitude whoever the manager is,I'm not one of these people who have blind faith in a person or manager,this may come across as arrogant or negative but I see it as constructive.......managers cannot be right 100% of the time and I'm sure they are big enough and paid well enough to take a bit of criticism as well as taking the applause. I expected us to be in a better position than we are,we are not so I am questioning why.....I might not like the answers but I will accept them if they are realistic,what I won't accept is the answers from the people with blind faith as these people are no better than the religious nuts who knock our doors on a Saturday morning. See..........that's where we differ......I too, expected to be in a better position...BUT...I accept that there are reasons why we aren't, and believe that we will get there in the end......I just don't think that the expectation, should be that after 6 weeks, we should be hammering teams. We are after all, a league 1 team, we are not Premiership anymore, we don't scare the opposition in any way, and we have no devine right to be no1. I have no argument with you...your posts are normally well balanced, and you certainly don't come across like some others, whom we will not mention........just a difference of perspective's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 When AP arrived in JUly he talked about needing to bring in 'one or two' players and that he would be looking at Bosmans and free transfers. Maybe he thought the squad was better then it was and maybe the owners had placed a tough limit on spending. Since then the transfers have been good, but not enough of them, and the two loans suggests the transfer budget is still being kept tight. AP must know by now that there is not enough quality in the squad. The niaivity at Stockport when the team failed to keep possession of the ball in the final minutes, speaks for itself. The necessary response has been obvious for the last two weeks ar least - that we need to spend to improve and so far we haven't spent enough. This is not about AP as a manager, it is about the transfer policy. Re transfer policy! Is not a fact that we are only allowed to pay players 70% of the clubs income in this league? with reduced TV money advertising merchandise sales and gates this does not give us a lot of room to manouvere especially as we still have some expensive wage earners on the books who dont even want to play! We need to get rid of some before we can bring in others, even putting aside whether they want to join a team cast adrift at the bottom of league 1! Patience is going to be essential! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Undefeated in two, I can see us climbing out of the bottom three at the end of October as we win at a happy hunting ground for us!!! Good old Brisbane Road. Billionaire owners = billionaire hopes and expectations. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polegategavin Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 As you say,this is your opinion which I respect even if I don't agree. I must say I was underwhelmed by his appointment as IMO there has always been a suspect side to his managerial career,something that was evident in the game against Swindon. I am behind him but I will continue to poke,prod and question when things are not going right but on the flipside I will give praise and applaud when things look good. This would be my attitude whoever the manager is,I'm not one of these people who have blind faith in a person or manager,this may come across as arrogant or negative but I see it as constructive.......managers cannot be right 100% of the time and I'm sure they are big enough and paid well enough to take a bit of criticism as well as taking the applause. I expected us to be in a better position than we are,we are not so I am questioning why.....I might not like the answers but I will accept them if they are realistic,what I won't accept is the answers from the people with blind faith as these people are no better than the religious nuts who knock our doors on a Saturday morning. If I were you I'd have the Samaritans on standby, if things in your world are so black and white. I assume from your comments on this thread that unless we had won at least 4 of the 5 matches so far you would be saying we are doomed. Remember even 5 wins would have put us on 5 points (just outside the relegation zone). If you are going to tell me that 5 wins would have been acceptable, what happens if we were to win the next 5 games, would that then be acceptable? No-one can tell what is going to happen in the future, and so we can't know where we will be in the league in another month, but I strongly believe on the basis of the last week (Brentford, Birmingham and Stockport) that there has been massive improvement in the performance in these games. Some people seem to be upset when we don't play flowing passing football, and then are unhappy when we don't grind out a result, well you can't have both throughout a game, but the signs in the last week is that we are becoming far more solid but are beginning to play good football, and just need to finish moves off more ruthlessly. We had 18 shots to Stockports 10, and we were the away team. IMHO we will start to win games comfortably, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if we were able to beat Charlton and Leeds in a week or two as we improve. Why oh why some of our fans have to make their mind up after only a handful of games is a mystery to me, yes we have been starved of success for some time now, but form as they say is temporary. Pardew said at the start of the season that he is breaking the season up into 6 game sections, and although he wont be satisfied with the first 6, it doesn't mean that the next 6 or the 6 after that will follow the same pattern. Lets just wait and see..... As others have said lets see where we are after 10 and then 15 games and this will provide a much clearer picture of the season ahead. Before tuesday afternoon, we will hopefully sign another player or two, and will have Mills and Holmes fit again, so we will be stronger and on the back of the last 3 games I believe we will finish in the top half of the season, and depending on the performance of 10 or 12 other teams that will finish between 3rd and 12th we could finish in any of these positions, particularly if Leeds and Charlton run away with things and take most points away from these other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Lordswoodsaints what do you suggest we do ........as obviously you have the knowledge to get us out of this precarious situation!!! some fans on here need to grow up and grow up quick. We will be fine and I am pleased with everything the club is doing at the moment.Wins will come hopefully soon! Thats the problem though. They're quick enough to moan and tell us the world is ending, but there is never a constructive reasoned post as to why - and what can be done to improve it. just nee-jerking tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Improve? Start winning games, hold onto leads, learn how to defend set-pieces and for AP to find out who his best X1 is. Stop hiding behind the -10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 er, that would be Leeds who have been in this division for three years and Charlton who appointed Parkinson and let him go 20 games without a win and a relegation into his career then?? Fecking hell, get a grip and grow soeme BALLS! cricky .... as many as 20 games!!!! thats the problem with football these days - everything has to be instant. Lawrie Mac took us down when he first arrived, but then brought us the success and glamour which put this club on the map. Managers need time - you don't see Man utd and Arsenal, or even the likes of Everton chopping and changing after twenty games!! Football is Cyclic - look at AF - he is now on his third or forth successful team at man utd - but IT TAKES TIME TO BUILD A FOOTBALL TEAM.... AP has a massive job here - not only does he have to build a football team but has to turn round the negativity and mental problems and hang ups of the team, the fans, the whole city/ region. We need to learn to hang onto one - nil wins, we need to be able to draw games we are losing. panicing 5 games into the season isn't going to help. No one can make a judgement after 5 games - look at Norwich - stuffed first game of the season - then a good win in the cup not four days later and the manager is sacked with a record of P2 W1 L1D0...... hmmmm give people time, thats what ~I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 its boring not to agree with the happy clapper 'In AP we trust' brigade? This is a forum. Open discussions etc Time is not on our side at the moment. We need to string together 3 or 4 wins ASAP What's boring is hearing the constant carping of those who bleat that we need to win games, but who pay no heed to the gradual improvements that are taking place, where the squad is strengthened by good new players and the results also show an improvement. It obviously either doesn't occur to you, or else you do not have the imagination to consider it, that although we have made new signings, we have lost Rasiak and Murty and Mills are out injured. John, Surman and Dyer were also lost in the close season. Improvements have to be made in fitness and tactics, while at the same time until recently Pardew had to do it all by himself. He has appointed some able backroom staff to assist him and is still looking to make replacements to fill the gaps. If you really wanted to back up your negativity, tell us which of the signings Pardew made you disapprove of. Remember back to the last few managers (Pearson apart) who all played players out of position. Remember the squad full of overpaid journeymen who didn't play with the passion and commitment that their wages demanded. Remember the poor defences that we had where the shortcomings were never addressed (again apart from Pearson). Try and get some perspective, rather than just mouthing off aimlessly. Time IS on our side. We have hardly started the season and even when the transfer window is closed, we are allowed to make emergency loans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintedwill Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Improve? Start winning games, hold onto leads, learn how to defend set-pieces and for AP to find out who his best X1 is. Stop hiding behind the -10. we've not been doing that for the past 5 years under a variety of different managers. It will take more than a magic wand to undo it in just over a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 What's boring is hearing the constant carping of those who bleat that we need to win games, but who pay no heed to the gradual improvements that are taking place, where the squad is strengthened by good new players and the results also show an improvement. It obviously either doesn't occur to you, or else you do not have the imagination to consider it, that although we have made new signings, we have lost Rasiak and Murty and Mills are out injured. John, Surman and Dyer were also lost in the close season. Improvements have to be made in fitness and tactics, while at the same time until recently Pardew had to do it all by himself. He has appointed some able backroom staff to assist him and is still looking to make replacements to fill the gaps. If you really wanted to back up your negativity, tell us which of the signings Pardew made you disapprove of. Remember back to the last few managers (Pearson apart) who all played players out of position. Remember the squad full of overpaid journeymen who didn't play with the passion and commitment that their wages demanded. Remember the poor defences that we had where the shortcomings were never addressed (again apart from Pearson). Try and get some perspective, rather than just mouthing off aimlessly. Time IS on our side. We have hardly started the season and even when the transfer window is closed, we are allowed to make emergency loans. I agree we have only started the season but usually teams which start with poor results continue like that which is a worry. I still think the team we have is better than the average League 1 side and we should be doing better. I fully expect to beat Colchester next week like I thought we would do better against Brentford Swindon and Stockport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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