NickG Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 I didn't expect a good performance or any points from Charlton so was pleasantly surprised. I was expecting the season to start for us, and some real progress from next week. The coaching staff are now in place, it is very much Pardew's team, two new signings just in, Holmes/Mills fit. I am not looking at the league table until after Christmas for two reasons; 1) the -10, those points don't need to be caught up in few weeks but over the season 2) our disrupted start to the season. I am going to follow this; http://www.4thegame.com/statistics/league-one/tables/currentform.html if we get up quickly, and remain, in play off positions in current form we will be doing ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 too right. if we're still in the reegation spots come New Year, i'll be worried. Until then, im not worried. We are picking up points, and improving match on match so lets not get all depressed - just yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Only Charlton. Leeds and Swindon have got a longer unbeaten record than us. Got to be worth something even at this early stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Agreed, as long as we keep our best players fit, especially KD, we will be fine I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowds Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Totally agree with everything you've said. It annoys me these plastic impatient fans who are calling for heads to roll already. We will do wellthis season and I can honestly see a late playoff push. I think Yeovil will be punishe this Sunday and show our rivals some real intent!! Crowds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Only Charlton. Leeds and Swindon have got a longer unbeaten record than us. Got to be worth something even at this early stage. We've become very hard to beat, there is a real desire all over the pitch which you can sense. Once you have this mentality, then wins are only round the corner. It's just not happening up front consistently for us yet - but as we have the leagues top striker in lambert, it's only a matter of time. everything is in place for us to start moving up the league at real pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miffy Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Totally agree with everything you've said. It annoys me these plastic impatient fans who are calling for heads to roll already. We will do wellthis season and I can honestly see a late playoff push. I think Yeovil will be punishe this Sunday and show our rivals some real intent!! Crowds Has the game been moved? I thought it was Saturday.:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Totally agree with everything you've said. It annoys me these plastic impatient fans who are calling for heads to roll already. We will do wellthis season and I can honestly see a late playoff push. I think Yeovil will be punishe this Sunday and show our rivals some real intent!! Crowds Is anyone calling for heads to roll? I haven't seen it, but I might easily have missed it. But don't mistake analysis of certain clear problems that have appeared in our performances so far this year, problems that alas we are all too familiar with from recent years -- inability to score more than once a game, inability to hold leads in the second half, inability to defend set pieces -- for a premature call for heads to roll! Because I suspect that's what is happening. I suppose everyone must agree that we have not been scoring enough, have given up leads to often, too often surrender goals to set pieces. If you don't agree with that, you must be living in an alternative version of reality, quite frankly. And we will not progress up the table unless and until those problems are solved. The club now has the strength and depth in defence and in midfield, and some good enough players up front, that it should be possible to start building on leads, rather than surrendering them tamely, and turning draws into wins, and potential defeats into draws. If that happens between now and, let's say, Christmas, no-one will get around to calling for heads to roll. But if another 5 or 6 games go by with the same sorts of results and problems we have had so far, inevitably there really will be calls for heads to roll, and understandably so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowds Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Haha good point Christ knows why I put Sunday oops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Only Charlton. Leeds and Swindon have got a longer unbeaten record than us. Got to be worth something even at this early stage. And nobody has a longer winless run than us. That could be considered more important as we are 4 wins from getting out of the relegation places. That is assuming the teams above us don't pick up any points at all in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 And nobody has a longer winless run than us. That could be considered more important as we are 4 wins from getting out of the relegation places. That is assuming the teams above us don't pick up any points at all in the meantime. You've made a very important point - at the moment we're lagging behind and that is compounded every week the three team above us pick-up points. We need to start winning those three points soon or we will simply run out of time. Sure there's no need to lose sleep right now, but we must be mindful that it could become critical much more early in the season than in previous seasons. I want to see us safe come Jan/Feb. time - that has to be the minimum target in my mind. I do believe the turn about will come this Saturday though. Yeovil should be no match for our team and if they are, something is very, very wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 We've become very hard to beat, there is a real desire all over the pitch which you can sense. Once you have this mentality, then wins are only round the corner. It's just not happening up front consistently for us yet - but as we have the leagues top striker in lambert, it's only a matter of time. everything is in place for us to start moving up the league at real pace. Apart from only scoring 5 goals in 7 games. Goals win matches and against 10 man Colchester we could still be playing now and not have scored. I just hope this Papa is not as overhyped as Rudi Skacel and Jaidi doesn't get injured in his first game otherwise we are relying on the squad which is currently displaying relegation form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 I thought the season started after our bright display against brum..? if we dont beat yeovil it will be embarassing and im sure it will put off our start by another week.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 too right. if we're still in the reegation spots come New Year, i'll be worried. Until then, im not worried. We are picking up points, and improving match on match so lets not get all depressed - just yet! I very much agree with the original post. I'm not even as impatient as Bridgey. I think it quite likely that we're still in the relegation zone come Jan 1st. I wouldn't mind this as long as our form is still improving and we're not adrift. To eradicate the 11 point gap between us and safety would be quite an achievement in 16 games - requiring us to get around 30 points. Not impossible by any means, but no need for despair if we don't quite achieve that haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 does the season only start when we win? Has the football league been informed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 does the season only start when we win? Has the football league been informed? It starts when a select group of SWF members (who must be right every week) say it starts... for me, the league started against millwall...but hey, what the hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Halo* Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 It is also worth noting that of our seven games so far this season, four of them have been against sides currently occupying places in the top six. Charlton, top, (and unbeaten). Huddersfield, fourth, (lost once). Swindon, fifth, (lost once). Colchester, sixth, (lost twice). Then there is Brentford, currently lying in ninth place, (and they've only lost once too). Millwall sixteenth, (lost twice). Finally, we have Stockport, in eighteenth place, (they've lost three times, and it should have been four, were it not for a ninety-fourth minute penalty equalizer, against us). If we look closer at these games... our first game (Millwall @ Home) was always going to be tough, with the much publicized 'gelling' still to take place. Our two defeats come next, away at Huddersfield and Swindon (current top six sides). These admittedly, were poor performances on our part, though still a pretty new team learning to play together. From this point on, from my perspective at least, we've seen a steady (if unremarkable) improvement in performances; including being undefeated against two more top six sides (Colchester and top of the league Charlton (who had a 100% record until they played us). Throw in the trip to Stockport which we were extremely unlucky not to come away with the three points from, and I don't believe that things are as bad as they first appear. Yeovil at Home on Saturday is the test. We must use this as both a springboard, and a benchmark. Clearly, we must be looking to win this game, and really, to do so relatively comfortably. Signs are (again, from my perspective) that things are slowly coming together, and we seem to be playing more like a "Team" now, than a collection of (mostly) newly assembled individuals. We are becoming harder to beat, and now just need for things to 'click' more for us in the final third of the field. Once that happens (hopefully Saturday), I believe results will begin to rapidly improve. Progression is the name of the game, and I believe that we are indeed starting to 'make progress'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 September, 2009 does the season only start when we win? Has the football league been informed? It starts when a select group of SWF members (who must be right every week) say it starts... for me, the league started against millwall...but hey, what the hell the concept seems bit complicated for some! our season hasn't got off the ground yet, just like Sunderlands didn't until Keane came in etc. Our season starts proper when we are in a position to compete to the level we will do for the rest of the season. In my opinion that is now. Graeme Taylor said never judge any team until 8 games in - our circumstances are such that that is even more the case, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 the concept seems bit complicated for some! our season hasn't got off the ground yet, just like Sunderlands didn't until Keane came in etc. Our season starts proper when we are in a position to compete to the level we will do for the rest of the season. In my opinion that is now. Graeme Taylor said never judge any team until 8 games in - our circumstances are such that that is even more the case, Go on a long unbeaten winning run like Sunderland and miracles can happen !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 too right. if we're still in the reegation spots come New Year, i'll be worried. Until then, im not worried. Get your worrying in early I say , in life and in football it's always later than you think . While I admire the sang-froid of our resident 'The season starts next Saturday' Brigade it won't take many more poor results for a bad start to turn into a proper 24 carat crisis . This club above all others should recognise the true danger of drawing too often at home - two disastrous relegation's since 2005 should prove to any observant Saints fan that it's dropping points at St Marys is what kills us in this game - not poor away results . Failing to win against Yeovil Town on Saturday clearly won't relegate us again (or anything like it) but each time this happens the pressure builds on the next home game expediently . This is a cycle that has to be broken right now because it has to be said we're not a club that seems to cope with extra pressure very well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 the concept seems bit complicated for some! our season hasn't got off the ground yet, just like Sunderlands didn't until Keane came in etc. Our season starts proper when we are in a position to compete to the level we will do for the rest of the season. In my opinion that is now. Graeme Taylor said never judge any team until 8 games in - our circumstances are such that that is even more the case, the concept is not complicated...thanks for that it does not become complicated because YOU say the season starts saturday...who made you decide anyway..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Our slow start, compounded by the minus 10, puts us in a precarious position. I predicted bottom half before Millwall, if we get more than our fair share of injuries it could be relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 It starts when a select group of SWF members (who must be right every week) say it starts... for me, the league started against millwall...but hey, what the hell The season started when the ink was dry on the contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Think every normal person will agree with you nick. In a way we are lucky that we have had to play most of the teams fancied for promotion already because we have an opportunity now to play lesser teams. Obviously that sounds disrespectful to those teams but that is how it is. Games against teams like Millwall,Charlton,Huddersfield etc we are not expected to win, they are teams going to be in the top 6 by the end of the season. But teams like Yeovil we are firm favourites. So for me our season starts next weekend. I have no doubt were continue our unbeaten record we are on but naturally some will find something to moan about. We will win 1-0 but people will say we should of scored 5 or 6 such is the nature of those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Season always starts next week with the resident SWF happy clappers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 I very much agree with the original post. I'm not even as impatient as Bridgey. I think it quite likely that we're still in the relegation zone come Jan 1st. I wouldn't mind this as long as our form is still improving and we're not adrift. To eradicate the 11 point gap between us and safety would be quite an achievement in 16 games - requiring us to get around 30 points. Not impossible by any means, but no need for despair if we don't quite achieve that haul. Fully agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Best way to judge Pardew throughout the rest of the season is surely look at the actual League One table and add 10 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Think every normal person will agree with you nick. In a way we are lucky that we have had to play most of the teams fancied for promotion already because we have an opportunity now to play lesser teams. Obviously that sounds disrespectful to those teams but that is how it is. Games against teams like Millwall,Charlton,Huddersfield etc we are not expected to win, they are teams going to be in the top 6 by the end of the season. But teams like Yeovil we are firm favourites. So for me our season starts next weekend. I have no doubt were continue our unbeaten record we are on but naturally some will find something to moan about. We will win 1-0 but people will say we should of scored 5 or 6 such is the nature of those people. love your first line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Season always starts next week with the resident SWF happy clappers Should win every game ever played and sign Ronaldo,Torres,Kaka,Pele,Shilton right? Because being a happy clappy is such an insult I think people would rather be happy and clappy then a miserable bastard. They have pills for that these days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Should win every game ever played and sign Ronaldo,Torres,Kaka,Pele,Shilton right? Because being a happy clappy is such an insult I think people would rather be happy and clappy then a miserable bastard. They have pills for that these days! I am proudly happy clappy right now (God knows, it's been years since that happened to me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 September, 2009 happy to judge Pardew at anytime. At the moment I think he has improved the team, squad and back room. These are the basic. I am happy with him. I hope, and am confident, that these will improve results. I will enjoy watching our form over next few weeks and judge Pardew accordingly. I was frustrated after the last home game but am, once again, looking forward to the next. I don't know how well we will do this season but we are heading in the right direction. There is no way we will be near a relegation battle so why worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Think every normal person will agree with you nick. In a way we are lucky that we have had to play most of the teams fancied for promotion already because we have an opportunity now to play lesser teams. Obviously that sounds disrespectful to those teams but that is how it is. Games against teams like Millwall,Charlton,Huddersfield etc we are not expected to win, they are teams going to be in the top 6 by the end of the season. But teams like Yeovil we are firm favourites. So for me our season starts next weekend. I have no doubt were continue our unbeaten record we are on but naturally some will find something to moan about. We will win 1-0 but people will say we should of scored 5 or 6 such is the nature of those people. We might well continue our winless run as well which is much longer than our unbeaten record. Originally Posted by St Marco Sep 08 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/sho...4701#post44701 So we are in the relegation zone and we "are doing well"? Not quite sure how that lodgic works exactly. The whole point of a football club is to play football and to win games. If you dont win games you get relegated. Thus meaning if you are nearer the bottom then the top you have failed. We are in the relegation zone now St Marco even without the 10 point deduction. Don't give the crap about not expecting to beat Millwall, Charlton and Huddersfield they are not Man Utd,Arsenal & Chelsea. If we don't expect to beat Millwall, Colchester & Brentford at home then we will be fighting a relegation battle all season as we have to show play off form from now on just to reach mid table. Originally Posted by St Marco Sep 08 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/sho...2682#post52682 7 games gone, 21 points up for grabs. 3 home games against average teams in Barnsley,Blackpool and Ipswich and we have a grand total of 5 points. That is not good enough. . Don't tell me 10 man Colchester, Brentford and Millwall are more dificult than Barnsley,Blackpool and Ipswich were last season especially with our vastly improved team , but somehow 5 points from 21 wasn't good enough for you last season but fills you with great pleasure this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 happy to judge Pardew at anytime. At the moment I think he has improved the team, squad and back room. These are the basic. I am happy with him. I hope, and am confident, that these will improve results. I will enjoy watching our form over next few weeks and judge Pardew accordingly. I was frustrated after the last home game but am, once again, looking forward to the next. I don't know how well we will do this season but we are heading in the right direction. There is no way we will be near a relegation battle so why worry about it. the last line of this post made me laugh, especially if you look at thd league table....7games in or not, we are alreaDy in a battle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 I have had £50 at 18/1 we get promoted. I have had an incredibly speculative £20 at 150/1 we win the league. I expect to collect on the former. If we go unbeaten between now and the end of the season, winning at least 30 games, I will also collect on the latter. Anything, as Nike will tell you, is possible. So let's start now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Best way to judge Pardew throughout the rest of the season is surely look at the actual League One table and add 10 points. That's not a bad idea, but the outcome at present is hardly inspiring. Because if you add ten points, that would put us on 5 points, level with Wycombe Wanderers, and still firmly in a relegation position. To put it another way, we started the season 10 points behind the other teams in the League. Now we are 11 points behind the teams in 17th through 21st positions, all of whom have 6 points to our -5. To rise securely out of the relegation positions, we need to be 1 point (at least) ahead of those teams, meaning we are now 12 points from safety, as opposed to 10 at season's start. So, relative to being safe in League !, we have actually gone backwards by 2 points so far this season. Nice! Now I'm in general an optimistic, the-glass-is-half-full kind of person. But, in my optimism, I had dared to suppose that by now we might have two or three wins under our belt, having beaten the likes of Swindon and Stockport. Far from it, we have no wins and continue to display the same dismaying goal-shyness and inability to build on a lead that has gotten us relegated twice. I remain optimistic enough to believe that be season's end we will still be comfortably in League 1, and will have won more games than we lost. But I am at the same time getting fearful that past bad patterns are being repeated and will really hurt us if they aren't turned around soon. And by soon, I mean in the next few matches. Because sports teams are very much affected by momentum, and all our momentum at present is going in the wrong direction, and the more that continues and builds, the harder it's going to be to change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 September, 2009 the last line of this post made me laugh, especially if you look at thd league table....7games in or not, we are alreaDy in a battle rubbish, if Man U lost their first two games they would hardly be in relegation battle. Taking it to extreme but proves you are wrong. Nor are Everton at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 September, 2009 the last line of this post made me laugh, especially if you look at thd league table....7games in or not, we are alreaDy in a battle you do realise how many games there are in a season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 rubbish, if Man U lost their first two games they would hardly be in relegation battle. Taking it to extreme but proves you are wrong. Nor are Everton at the moment. You're right that that stuff is irrelevant. But others are also right to point out that if teams like Colchester, Huddersfield, Millwall, and Brentford are going to be considered "too tough to beat", then we are doomed! I certainly expected to see Saints beat all those teams, and IU'm damned disapppointed and disheartened that we didn't! Talk about low expectations. We should be doing what Chartlton and Leeds are doing. There is no valid reason why we could not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 We might well continue our winless run as well which is much longer than our unbeaten record. We are in the relegation zone now St Marco even without the 10 point deduction. Don't give the crap about not expecting to beat Millwall, Charlton and Huddersfield they are not Man Utd,Arsenal & Chelsea. If we don't expect to beat Millwall, Colchester & Brentford at home then we will be fighting a relegation battle all season as we have to show play off form from now on just to reach mid table. Don't tell me 10 man Colchester, Brentford and Millwall are more dificult than Barnsley,Blackpool and Ipswich were last season especially with our vastly improved team , but somehow 5 points from 21 wasn't good enough for you last season but fills you with great pleasure this. And here it is..... Those quotes are from a different time. A time when we had a **** chairman, a largley **** squad, a **** manager, a **** everything pretty much. You fail to include any of my other quotes most notibly the ones prior to the season starting saying "this team will get relegated if we keep our manager,squad,chairman" You fail to mention those predictions? Any fool could of seen what was going to happen then, it did not take nostradamus. You fail to include the quotes about me saying that under the previous manager (Pearson) we had won games against teams going for promotion and showing mid-table form prior to the return of Lowe. At that point just a few months after the Sheff Utd win we had basically the same squad. We could of pushed on from there. Key word being "could". But the changes in the summer stopped that didn't they? The difference between now and then is huge. We now have an end to the board room merry go round. We have a proven manager in ENGLAND. We have a decent squad, we have harmony etc etc The team that finished the 2007/08 season was a good team in places. A team that should of beaten a lot of teams in the CCC after all not even 12 months prior they had finished in the top 6. But the following season even with the new guys and new system we had the players who "could" of survived "if" the right people were in place to guide them. "If" the people from the previous season had remained we would of stayed up and beat those teams. To try and compare the two is laughable and if anything proves the point of which people try to make in that some people will moan regardless of what happens. To try and compare thoughts while your plane is spinning out of control to the ground with those of when you finally pull up are stupid. When your plane is falling your waiting for the crash, and we crashed. Ultimatly that is how it is. A club that from that disaster of last season has been handicapped for the start of this season. Those things were never down to who is here now but to those who were before. To justify their choices those games had to be won, we were told we could be promoted remember? We did not start that season with the shackles we have had to endure towards the end of that year. The difference now is the games we are playing/played are against in large teams who have been together for awhile. Huddersfield,Charlton and Millwall are three teams tipped for promotion. Teams on the up. We were a team just off life support and im sure the return fixtures will be very different. Where as just like at the start of last season we were **** right until the end of the season. There was no vision of a light at the end of a tunnel. No reason to be joyful or excited about the future. Which is the total opposite of now. We have a team just 1 month old. Like with all young things you must learn to walk before you can run. The teacher is teaching them and you can see they are learning from it. You can see people who want to be apart of what is happening here. You can see the differences. They are positive differences. If you don't feel positive about them then i genuinely feel sorry for you. The results have not come, but to look simply at the result does not tell the story. The result is what matters. But last season they were not coming because we were ****. This season they are not coming because of things such as poor refereeing. If we had been in the prem league or CCC we probably would of won those games. Anyone who has seen all the games im sure will agree that the standard of refereeing has been dire. So no i did not expect to beat Colchester,Charlton,Huddersfield etc.. i expected us to compete and for the most of it that is what we did. I expected the same last year but did not see that willingness to try. In the return fixtures when we have had time we will be much better and my expectations will grow. So you see my expectations of last year were to follow on from the end to the previous season. That is what i based my expectations on. Those are just and realistic. Where as yours are not, to be unhappy after everything that has happened in the past 3 months is understandable. To be unhappy what has happened in just the last month is not. It is stupid. So i will pose this question to you, to any of you who currently are not happy, to those of you who hink people are "happy clappy" etc.. What would you change? I'm sure we would all love to hear your ideas on how things will improve even further... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 I stick to my pre-season forecast: reach zero after 7 matches (that's failed) but get out of relegation zone after 17, be in mid-table after 27 and challenge for play-offs after 37 are still realistic. why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 rubbish, if Man U lost their first two games they would hardly be in relegation battle. Taking it to extreme but proves you are wrong. Nor are Everton at the moment. you do realise how many games there are in a season? ah yes, man utd and everton, adrift at the bottom and 11 points from safety.....you do realise how far adrifT we are, how little confidence we have and our Unerring ability to throw away leads, andd as touched on elsewhere, lack of goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Clutching at straws and manipulating statistics to suit your argument IMO. The only statistic you need to look at is points per game,although the result at charlton can be looked upon as a good result the facts are we are not gaining enough points per game to stay in this league (if going by the last 5 seasons average of staying up in L1 continues),we are gaining 0.7 points per game,not enough I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Morale is an elusive beast. It can take time to build it up and only seconds to destroy it in any form of organisation. From the moment of the warning from the Ex Execs the day before the Charlton CCC game, our fans and players have seen their morale levels in free fall. The new players coming in will have been a major step to stopping that decline and starting the upward path, however, one stupid mistake, one bad tackle or a bad refereeing decision could change all of that. The season started 7 games ago, what is crucial is to understand that Yeovil will NOT be a walk-over, it is as likely to be another banana-skin as it is a stepping stone. One moment of madness against a team that will be playing tight and limited football could damage the morale of the fans very quickly. Saturday's game is crucial, it is also far more dangerous than we are making out. It needs 110% effort from the players and fans alike. With total commitment we should mark our first win and start the ball rolling. With complacency and expectations of 6-0 wins all that will happen is worry in the stands will eat away at the morale and confidence of the players. A messy scrappy 1-0 win with a ludicrous own-goal after a deflection off the referee's backside could be far more important in the long term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Whichever way you cut it the simple truth is we're not scoring enough points - anything else is just flim-flam . Talk of the play-offs is nonsense at this time , midtable is starting to look ambitious at this rate . Four clubs get relegated from this league - right now we're looking likely to be one of them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 I think people would rather be happy and clappy then a miserable bastard. They have pills for that these days! You are now content with 2nd best and resigned to the fact we will do badly - you then call yourself 'happy' While you call me a miserable bastard as I think we 'should' win more games than we lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 The difference between now and then is huge. We now have an end to the board room merry go round. We have a proven manager in ENGLAND. We have a decent squad, we have harmony etc etc A proven failure at West ham and Charlton The team that finished the 2007/08 season was a good team in places. A team that should of beaten a lot of teams in the CCC after all not even 12 months prior they had finished in the top 6. But the following season even with the new guys and new system we had the players who "could" of survived "if" the right people were in place to guide them. "If" the people from the previous season had remained we would of stayed up and beat those teams. You mean the team that avoided relegation by 20 minutes and was had a bank ovedraft of £6.5M which meant players had to be sent out on loan to save on the ludicrous wage bill (Before you blame Lowe, Crouch had to do the same ) To try and compare the two is laughable and if anything proves the point of which people try to make in that some people will moan regardless of what happens. Quite agree we are a league lower have spent a fortune for this league instead of having to rely on kids who had never played before. The difference now is the games we are playing/played are against in large teams who have been together for awhile. Huddersfield,Charlton and Millwall are three teams tipped for promotion. Teams on the up. We were a team just off life support and im sure the return fixtures will be very different. Absolute rubbish Hudeersfield and Millwall both brought in 7 new players in the summer. Where as just like at the start of last season we were **** right until the end of the season. There was no vision of a light at the end of a tunnel. No reason to be joyful or excited about the future. And the light of the end of the tunnel now is the hoofball I watched against 10 man Colchester? 5 goals in 7 games despite spending £1M on the leagues top scorer and having 2 Polish internationals available for the start of the season. Which is the total opposite of now. We have a team just 1 month old. Like with all young things you must learn to walk before you can run. The teacher is teaching them and you can see they are learning from it. You can see people who want to be apart of what is happening here. You can see the differences. They are positive differences. If you don't feel positive about them then i genuinely feel sorry for you. So we buy older experienced players and have to teach them but you were never going to give the kids from last season a chance to learn The results have not come, but to look simply at the result does not tell the story. The result is what matters. But last season they were not coming because we were ****. This season they are not coming because of things such as poor refereeing. If we had been in the prem league or CCC we probably would of won those games. Anyone who has seen all the games im sure will agree that the standard of refereeing has been dire. Yes the standard of refereeing is abysmal for all teams. To blame our position in the relegation zone on referees is laughable. So no i did not expect to beat Colchester,Charlton,Huddersfield etc.. i expected us to compete and for the most of it that is what we did. .. Can I ask just who you do expect us to beat as you seems to have a reason for every failure? You don't expect us to beat the teams fancied for promotion so that rules out Leeds, Charlton, Huddersfield, MK Dons, Norwich Bristol R, Colchester, Brentford, Southend, Millwall, Brighton and Swindon. So that doesn't leave many teams for us to get remaining required 65 points to abvoid relegation does it?. And no I didn't realise your statement of So we are in the relegation zone and we "are doing well"? Not quite sure how that lodgic works exactly. The whole point of a football club is to play football and to win games. If you dont win games you get relegated. Thus meaning if you are nearer the bottom then the top you have failed. was missing the key statement that this only applies if Rupert Lowe is chairman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Whichever way you cut it the simple truth is we're not scoring enough points - anything else is just flim-flam . Talk of the play-offs is nonsense at this time , midtable is starting to look ambitious at this rate . Four clubs get relegated from this league - right now we're looking likely to be one of them . genuine question - why do bookies, not known for throwing money way or being emotional, think there are 9 teams more likely to be relegated as I saw on one major site at weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 genuine question - why do bookies, not known for throwing money way or being emotional, think there are 9 teams more likely to be relegated as I saw on one major site at weekend? Because they too cant believe that a team as strong as ours is doing so badly. I could pick the team and have more points now and easily keep us from relegation...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2009 yes I am sure you could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 yes I am sure you could. I think even you could Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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