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RedAndWhite91

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I just love it how you get people commenting saying how great he was. And they aren't Saints fans. I think most sensible people (Skate bastards excluded) agree he was a brilliant, talented player.

 

One comment:"man iam dutch and i have never heard of this guy before. I've never seen someone shooting so good from great distance like him. He has a very special style right?"

 

And another:"Legend is banned around so easily these days. I played Matt's top ten goals to a load of Dutch and Spanish guys the other month and to say their jaws hit the deck is an understatement.

True Legend !!"

 

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alpine_saint

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I just love it how you get people commenting saying how great he was. And they aren't Saints fans. I think most sensible people (Skate bastards excluded) agree he was a brilliant, talented player.

 

One comment:"man iam dutch and i have never heard of this guy before. I've never seen someone shooting so good from great distance like him. He has a very special style right?"

 

And another:"Legend is banned around so easily these days. I played Matt's top ten goals to a load of Dutch and Spanish guys the other month and to say their jaws hit the deck is an understatement.

True Legend !!"

 

:D

 

Superb. We really were blessed (Hoddle and Venables are tw*ts)

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St Landrew

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peanut, what song?

 

Watch until the end. I thought it was some obscure Simple Minds track that I didn't know, at first, but then the female voice came in, and I hadn't a clue. But I stayed with it [well there was a distraction of sorts..!]

 

This Town Religion, by The Delays.

 

BTW, there's a fair few Le Tiss comparison videos. Every time heralds a host of wowee comments except, of course, from any Blue Fewers.

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Watch until the end. I thought it was some obscure Simple Minds track that I didn't know, at first, but then the female voice came in, and I hadn't a clue. But I stayed with it [well there was a distraction of sorts..!]

 

This Town Religion, by The Delays.

 

It is a bloke actually! :D

 

The Delays are a Southampton band and this song was used on the BBC for Goal of the Month so I thought it was appropriate.

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Watch until the end. I thought it was some obscure Simple Minds track that I didn't know, at first, but then the female voice came in, and I hadn't a clue. But I stayed with it [well there was a distraction of sorts..!]

 

This Town Religion, by The Delays.

 

BTW, there's a fair few Le Tiss comparison videos. Every time heralds a host of wowee comments except, of course, from any Blue Fewers.

 

I'm guessing you know it's not a female voice?

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Wes Tender

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but one manager whose game plan was to win the ball and give it to le tissier. makes life a bit easier . A genius at times but to flawed to be judged a true football legend outside our own club. Lets face it Mr Wu can do more with the ball without the need to be in peak physical condition.

 

I don't recall any great queue of all the great clubs to sign Mr Wu. How many goals did he ever score?

 

The point about comparisons with Ronaldo and some other greats is that they played in the top teams in the World and received great service from their team mates. MLT's team mates were mostly distinctly average. Of course, you conveniently ignore the fact that several top clubs did vie for MLT's services, but he turned them down. But that doesn't fit your contention that he was judged a true football legend outside of our club, does it?

 

It's the same scenario with Lawrie Mac too; his achievements were all the greater because he managed to get us performing way above our level with limited resources.

 

There we are; I've now given you an opportunity to have your customary rant about your two favourite Aunt Sallys. Go ahead and cast doubt into the minds of others that you are truly a Saints fan.

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Nineteen Canteen

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I don't recall any great queue of all the great clubs to sign Mr Wu. How many goals did he ever score?

 

The point about comparisons with Ronaldo and some other greats is that they played in the top teams in the World and received great service from their team mates. MLT's team mates were mostly distinctly average. Of course, you conveniently ignore the fact that several top clubs did vie for MLT's services, but he turned them down. But that doesn't fit your contention that he was judged a true football legend outside of our club, does it?

 

It's the same scenario with Lawrie Mac too; his achievements were all the greater because he managed to get us performing way above our level with limited resources.

 

There we are; I've now given you an opportunity to have your customary rant about your two favourite Aunt Sallys. Go ahead and cast doubt into the minds of others that you are truly a Saints fan.

 

Wes you are well aware I am a very committed Saints fan and no matter what have never chosen to boycott the club and kick them when they least needed it.

 

I am also a Saints fan who recognises that despite all he did for us MLT was to flawed to be regarded a true footballing legend. Reading his book reinforced my belief rather than challenge it and whilst I remain very grateful for the goals/memories I can't reconcile the fact that IMO he chose to stay at Saints because he was happy in his comfort zone as oppose to stretching himself professionally.

 

Your point about great players being great because they are surrounded by greats is fair enough. Makes you wonder how truly great MLT would have become but unfortunately IMO his laziness (for want of a better word) has too often shined through along with his lack of ambition and determination to do it his way.

 

In his book there is a picture of him yawning at an England training session and he makes a somewhat glib comment about 'why I didn't play for England more often'. Now his staunchest fans will say that is Matty's self-deprecating humour and a mark of the man's humility whereas IMO I consider it sour grapes and a failure to recognise that it was his seemingly stubborn approach to his career that prevented him gracing the international stage more than he did and elevating himself into the hall of footballing greats. That was a big bonus for us as a club but doesn't really allow him to be labelled a footballing legend in a positive sense outside of our own environs.

 

He is no more a true football legend than the likes of Tony Currie, Stan Bowles and Frank Worthington who on their day were footballing gods but were less keen to follow the advice of the footballing establishment. All of them like MLT were at times mesmerising but also frustrating and annoying in equal measure.

 

MLT is quoted as saying that he seems to work harder in retirement than he ever did when he was playing and that can't be right. Sums it up really and I don't think I need to add anymore.

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You're right 19C. Le Tis wasn't just a Legend. He was an Enigma. A Maverick. In fact, he was a one-off. He was Unique. He had more footballing skill in his boots and brain than than an entire team of legends.

 

Perfectly true. But in his book he is also very uncomplimentary about Rupert ..... and some people do not like that!!

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Wes Tender

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The only promise I made was not to bring up the 'betting scam' unprovoked. I didn't have anything else to add to that post and Wes judging by your unusually muted response I was probably right.

 

Well, you just broke your promise. You brought it up yet again. ;)

 

My response was muted, as there was nothing much else to say on the matter. Don't read into it something that isn't there. Nearly everybody else on here is quite happy to remember MLT with fondness and awe at his ability. I don't feel the need to argue the toss on that again just because you are pretty well his only detractor.

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Nineteen Canteen

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You're right 19C. Le Tis wasn't just a Legend. He was an Enigma. A Maverick. In fact, he was a one-off. He was Unique. He had more footballing skill in his boots and brain than than an entire team of legends.

 

He wasn't unique as there are players who have been as skillful as MLT and failed to really capitalise on their undoubted talent. It's why there are so many good but unspectacular professionals because they have the ambition and dedication to make up for the lack of skill.

 

MLT's laid back approach and expectation despite advice to the contrary that if they want me (England) they can come and get me was flawed as it was arrogant and he should have played for England at least as much as our true greats Paine and Channon did and neither of those played as often as they should.

 

The team of legends you speak off is just another MLT would never grace. Maybe on paper but who was it who said many teams look great on paper but sh1t on grass and in a team of legends there wouldn't be room for a player not willing to work for it. Even when MLT had the chance to play with great players during his 8 caps it didn't help him score. Even Paine scored roughly a goal for every 3 of his 19 caps.

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You're right 19C. Le Tis wasn't just a Legend. He was an Enigma. A Maverick. In fact, he was a one-off. He was Unique. He had more footballing skill in his boots and brain than than an entire team of legends.

 

Like Charlie George Stan Bowles etc

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He wasn't unique as there are players who have been as skillful as MLT and failed to really capitalise on their undoubted talent. It's why there are so many good but unspectacular professionals because they have the ambition and dedication to make up for the lack of skill.

 

MLT's laid back approach and expectation despite advice to the contrary that if they want me (England) they can come and get me was flawed as it was arrogant and he should have played for England at least as much as our true greats Paine and Channon did and neither of those played as often as they should.

 

The team of legends you speak off is just another MLT would never grace. Maybe on paper but who was it who said many teams look great on paper but sh1t on grass and in a team of legends there wouldn't be room for a player not willing to work for it. Even when MLT had the chance to play with great players during his 8 caps it didn't help him score. Even Paine scored roughly a goal for every 3 of his 19 caps.

 

All in your opinion of course.

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He wasn't unique as there are players who have been as skillful as MLT and failed to really capitalise on their undoubted talent. It's why there are so many good but unspectacular professionals because they have the ambition and dedication to make up for the lack of skill.

 

MLT's laid back approach and expectation despite advice to the contrary that if they want me (England) they can come and get me was flawed as it was arrogant and he should have played for England at least as much as our true greats Paine and Channon did and neither of those played as often as they should.

 

The team of legends you speak off is just another MLT would never grace. Maybe on paper but who was it who said many teams look great on paper but sh1t on grass and in a team of legends there wouldn't be room for a player not willing to work for it. Even when MLT had the chance to play with great players during his 8 caps it didn't help him score. Even Paine scored roughly a goal for every 3 of his 19 caps.

 

Remarkable though it may seem, I'm not swayed by your debate. ;)

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Nineteen Canteen

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Le tiss was the best player in the world and th only person getting close to him now is cristiano ronaldo!

 

Messi, Rooney, Drogba to name just 3 players currently at the top of their game who even in his pomp MLT would not be a first choice for any manager in front of these legends in waiting. (Money no object of course)

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Messi, Rooney, Drogba to name just 3 players currently at the top of their game who even in his pomp MLT would not be a first choice for any manager in front of these legends in waiting. (Money no object of course)

 

different type of players altogether. Wouldnt mind seeing a team with all 4 of them in to be honest.

 

You just like to find anything that has been a positive for us and slag it / them off. Think you time would be better served onn the poompey forum.

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Nineteen Canteen

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ummm nope you are on your own with that one.

 

No I'm not Mike, I'm just one of the few who will admit to myself that MLT wasn't the football legend we like to make him out to be and he had as many poor games as great goals if not more. Was he as important to us as Paine? Not in my opinion and Paine was before my time and should he be revered as a real sporting legend like Channon? Again IMO MLT doesn't come close.

 

MLT could have been the greatest with an attitude and determination the match of Beckham's or Gerrard's or even Robson's from his own era but he was for whatever reason lacking that level of ambition/dedication to achieving real unquestionable football greatness. We all know it and even MLT acknowledges the lazy tag in his book and IMO he could have iradicated that element of doubt but chose to go his own way.

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No I'm not Mike, I'm just one of the few who will admit to myself that MLT wasn't the football legend we like to make him out to be and he had as many poor games as great goals if not more. Was he as important to us as Paine? Not in my opinion and Paine was before my time and should he be revered as a real sporting legend like Channon? Again IMO MLT doesn't come close.

 

MLT could have been the greatest with an attitude and determination the match of Beckham's or Gerrard's or even Robson's from his own era but he was for whatever reason lacking that level of ambition/dedication to achieving real unquestionable football greatness. We all know it and even MLT acknowledges the lazy tag in his book and IMO he could have iradicated that element of doubt but chose to go his own way.

 

19, listen to this. MATHEW LE TISSIER WAS THE BEST. read it n weep, nothing u say on here will ever change that, n people here dont give 2 tosses about your opinion, just tolerate it as is public message board n u make people post by ****ing them off. Fool.

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