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Just noticed that the BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8937004.stm are using an official Southampton FC picture in the story about our new signing.

 

Does this mean they've paid us to use this? If so does this mean the media aren't sticking together to teach us a lesson? Maybe after the initial storm in a tea cup this new way of doing things may work?

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That's not possible. No media outlets are buying the photo's full stop. Loads of posters on here said they wouldn't, so my bet is that they are right, and you are just mistaken.

 

True. I've noticed the Echo are using an old pic of Guly so they're still not using our pics. What about the Sun, are we still South Coast Team today?

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I think it is a storm in a teacup. I can see quite a few football clubs taking a look at how they can improve their revenues and deciding that this is a good idea. What have they got to lose? I guess the main issue for some clubs is that their sponsor(s) might take a dim view if their adverts stand less chance of being seen in the papers....something we don't have top worry about this season at least.

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That's not possible. No media outlets are buying the photo's full stop. Loads of posters on here said they wouldn't, so my bet is that they are right, and you are just mistaken.

 

What is not possible? Certainly the picture on the BBC carries the "Southampton FC" watermark so I cannot see how that could get (and publish) the image without either purchasing it or SFC giving it away to the BBC gratis.

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What is not possible? Certainly the picture on the BBC carries the "Southampton FC" watermark so I cannot see how that could get (and publish) the image without either purchasing it or SFC giving it away to the BBC gratis.

 

I think there was a hint of sarcasm in his post...

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Sky have got a picture of Lambert in last seasons kit, so they haven't cracked yet.

 

The Sun have got this match report, really quite hilarious.

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3106420/South-Coast-Club-1-Leyton-Orient-1.html

 

Haha brilliant! If we buck our ideas up and put together a run to the automatic spots then the national newspaper will look more silly and give us more press coverage the harder they try not too. It will become a story in its self and more will talk about the south coast club than they would of about the saints!

 

On a serious note, If every club took this stance then they would make back the revenue from each other on the few pics they would need to buy but they would all make money out of the media. If the media wanted to play silly buggers with all the league clubs then more people would take the view that there paper is not worth buying also and they would be in trouble.

 

Can all the other FL clubs be convinced to take this forward though?

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Dave Benson Phillips

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That's not possible. No media outlets are buying the photo's full stop. Loads of posters on here said they wouldn't, so my bet is that they are right, and you are just mistaken.

 

SFC have a commercial agreement with BBC, so my bet is they get the pics on the house as they were invited to the press conference.

 

As for everyone else... The Echo are using screenshots ( I assume from Sky coverage ) and there are no other papers that I have noticed today or websites that are using pictures from St Marys.

 

The press won't crack until we are in the Premiership and newsworthy, and even then, the Premier League will step in and tell Cortese to wind his neck in.

 

Nice attempt at sarcasm though. Fail. xx

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My guess is that we have sold the grand total of zero pictures. Given the amount of club photographs at the match on Saturday (Never noticed them before) and assumming they get paid, i dont think it will be long before it is quietly shelved.

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Do fans with cameras get covered by this?

 

In motorsport, most tracks in the UK say that spectators and competitors can take video/pics, but can't sell them without permission from the track owners first.

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Haha brilliant! If we buck our ideas up and put together a run to the automatic spots then the national newspaper will look more silly and give us more press coverage the harder they try not too. It will become a story in its self and more will talk about the south coast club than they would of about the saints!

 

On a serious note, If every club took this stance then they would make back the revenue from each other on the few pics they would need to buy but they would all make money out of the media. If the media wanted to play silly buggers with all the league clubs then more people would take the view that there paper is not worth buying also and they would be in trouble.

 

Can all the other FL clubs be convinced to take this forward though?

 

You haven't thought this through. All those boring photos of players with their arms folded and a bottle of expensive coloured water in front of them or maybe a couple of goal celebrations (provided a goal is scored). How exciting.

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You haven't thought this through. All those boring photos of players with their arms folded and a bottle of expensive coloured water in front of them or maybe a couple of goal celebrations (provided a goal is scored). How exciting.

 

 

There seem to be enough media outlets that are finding other ways to put up (or not) pictures of our club so I guess there is still a Market for our pics.

 

If all the other clubs in the league take the same stance though, it will create an extra revenue for all of them. The more successful and the more news worthy the club the better the revenue.

 

I would have thought prices between clubs would be comparative to each other so where you spend on away games you make it back on your home games, but the press would have to chip in too. How many times do the press publish negative storys about a club, player or owner? If they said nothing but happy positive things about every club then they could maybe claim they are paying for the privalige of reporting and taking pictures because they are giving us great headlines.

 

I don't see how we owe the press anything so don't see a problem in making some money out of them. They don't make the papers for fun and are happy to charge us for there news.

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There seem to be enough media outlets that are finding other ways to pit up (or not) pictures of our club so I guess there is still a Market for our pics.

 

If all the other clubs in the league take the same stance though, it will create an extra revenue for all of them. The more successful and the more news worthy the club the better the revenue.

 

I would have thought prices between clubs would be comparative to each other so where you spend on away games you make it back on your home games, but the press would have to chip in too. How many times do the press publish negative storys about a club, player or owner? If they said nothing but happy positive things about every club then they could maybe claim they are paying for the privalige of reporting and taking pictures because they are giving us great headlines.

 

I don't see how we owe the press anything so don't see a problem in making some money out of them. They don't make the papers for fun and are happy to charge us for there news.

 

You are contradicting yourself. You admit that papers are finding a way round the ban, yet say there is still a market?

 

Sky are obvioulsy giving the Echo screenshots from footage, nationals ( every single one of them ) are not buying our prints.

 

It's stupid, retarded and bad business, as has been proved.

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I wonder how many pics we would have had in nationals so far this season if it were not for the ban?

 

Alot more than there has been so far. Generally speaking, most of the Sunday nationals have a half page on Sunday for the main game... I think Saints would have been the main game at least once.

 

Some of the papers would have actually bothered to report on the game.

 

Liebherrs death would have got more publicity.

 

Out new signing will get more publicity.

 

The pictures would be better quality in the Echo.

 

There would be more unbiased photos of the match available on the internet.

 

Etc etc...

 

Does that answer your question?

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It does but don't agree with some of it.

 

Thing I noticed last season was the huge difference in reporting on league 1 to CCC, some papers not even mentioning our games or a paragraph covering several matches. Doubt it we would have had any pics so far in nationals.

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Do you think NickG that the move by Cortese to ban photographers has so far been a positive one?

 

If so, can you please include reasons for this and what benefits banning them has brought to the club and fans?

 

No I don't, think it is strange decision and one that caused unnecessary negativity about the club. Interestingly think he misjudged influence of nationals - echo were seriuosly considering agreeing but were put under pressure by the industry.

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SFC have a commercial agreement with BBC, so my bet is they get the pics on the house as they were invited to the press conference.

 

As for everyone else... The Echo are using screenshots ( I assume from Sky coverage ) and there are no other papers that I have noticed today or websites that are using pictures from St Marys.

 

The press won't crack until we are in the Premiership and newsworthy, and even then, the Premier League will step in and tell Cortese to wind his neck in.

 

Nice attempt at sarcasm though. Fail. xx

 

In the same way that the Premier League is now forcing Sir Alex to appear on BBC? That's worked. Apparently, this multi-millionaire was fined £1000 for not appearing on Sunday. He'll spend more than that on a case of wine. Personally, I think it would be better if the Beeb said "It's Sir Alex or nobody". I don't know why they give air time to his assistant.

 

But, going back to our situation, it's a strange decision and I can't think of a good reason for it. But I can't see it's greatly harmful. We rarely feature more than a paragraph in most papers anyway.

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In the same way that the Premier League is now forcing Sir Alex to appear on BBC? That's worked. Apparently, this multi-millionaire was fined £1000 for not appearing on Sunday. He'll spend more than that on a case of wine. Personally, I think it would be better if the Beeb said "It's Sir Alex or nobody". I don't know why they give air time to his assistant.

 

But, going back to our situation, it's a strange decision and I can't think of a good reason for it. But I can't see it's greatly harmful. We rarely feature more than a paragraph in most papers anyway.

 

The BBC is different in the way it is owned by me, you and the rest of Joe Public. They have a duty to report on the countries largest supported club and could not justify a boycott of Man Utd.

 

Also, Ferguson might refuse to speak to the BBC... but Man Utd have a duty to provide a spokesman from the management team to provide post-match analysis, Phelan in most cases.

 

The Premier League would not allow Ferguson to have a similar boycott of Sky. And the Premier League would not allow any Premier League team to shut their doors to the worlds press and media photographers ( which is what Cortese is doing )

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No I don't, think it is strange decision and one that caused unnecessary negativity about the club. Interestingly think he misjudged influence of nationals - echo were seriuosly considering agreeing but were put under pressure by the industry.

 

Misjudged is the word I would use for most of the decisions he has made, and yes, definately about the British Press. That was a completely naive and ill-informed decision. You will never get one over the British press... they are a close-knit bunch and all generally stick together.

 

This is now a test of how stubborn he is... because the press won't back down and it will only ever have a negative outcome for the club. I actually find The Suns way of dealing with it quite amusing and shows a bit of good ol' British sense of humour.

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I wonder how many pics we would have had in nationals so far this season if it were not for the ban?

Almost Zero, about the same as last season (unless there are regional variations). The only time we would have made nationals last season would have been the JPT Final.

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Misjudged is the word I would use for most of the decisions he has made, and yes, definately about the British Press. That was a completely naive and ill-informed decision. You will never get one over the British press... they are a close-knit bunch and all generally stick together.

 

This is now a test of how stubborn he is... because the press won't back down and it will only ever have a negative outcome for the club. I actually find The Suns way of dealing with it quite amusing and shows a bit of good ol' British sense of humour.

 

Regardless of the bad press, it is now costing the club money.....did you see how many photograhers were at the game? (That the club will be paying) He won't keep funding it. It will be shelved quietly, in the near future.

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Almost Zero, about the same as last season (unless there are regional variations). The only time we would have made nationals last season would have been the JPT Final.

 

There is regional variations. And there was often pictures in the nationals... and anyway, it's not just about that, nationals like the Sun and The Mirror and others that I don't know of are refusing to even write up a report.

 

It's not just about that though... look on Plymouths forum - They think Southampton and are chairman are c*nts. Look on Orients forum - They think Southampton and are chairman are c*nts. Look on Bournemouths forum - They think Southampton and are chairman are c*nts.

 

Now I don't like the cute little family club image, but its fookin stupid to make pretty much every person that comes across our club think we are an arrogant dirty Leeds-esque club. It costs respect, it stops people wanting to do business with you, it costs advertising, it costs hospitality, the loss in revenue is alot more than a few snaps...

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Regardless of the bad press, it is now costing the club money.....did you see how many photograhers were at the game? (That the club will be paying) He won't keep funding it. It will be shelved quietly, in the near future.

 

Cortese strikes me as the type that is never wrong, so it would not surprise me if this situation drags on for some time yet. This has become a big issue (I don't think Cortese was very clued up as to how this would inevitably pan out) and he's now in a position where if he backs down he'll lose face. It would not surprise me if Cortese left the club to avoid being seen u-turning.

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Cortese strikes me as the type that is never wrong, so it would not surprise me if this situation drags on for some time yet. This has become a big issue (I don't think Cortese was very clued up as to how this would inevitably pan out) and he's now in a position where if he backs down he'll lose face. It would not surprise me if Cortese left the club to avoid being seen u-turning.

 

Great logic.

 

Except for the fact I have no doubt at all (IMHO) that he is on a bonus of something like 4mil to get us in the PL in the original 5 year plan. Walk away from 4mil on a matter of principle - yeah right

 

This could run as long as the poopey takeover thread

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Cortese strikes me as the type that is never wrong, so it would not surprise me if this situation drags on for some time yet. This has become a big issue (I don't think Cortese was very clued up as to how this would inevitably pan out) and he's now in a position where if he backs down he'll lose face. It would not surprise me if Cortese left the club to avoid being seen u-turning.

 

don't think he will see it as that important.

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don't think he will see it as that important.

 

I am sure you are right Nick. What I find interesting in this is that NC said that he and Markus discussed things about SFC a lot and I am surprised that Markus would have backed him on something like this.

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