Deppo Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 They are both similar players. If you could have Omerod back in his prime, would you take him over Lee? I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 Have you taken a serious pill?? Your posts appear to be genuine these days. Close call I think but I believe Barney will score more once he starts in earnest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 Brett, he made Beatts look a half decent player with his work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silversaint Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 Barney. He's mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 Barney. He's mental. Are we employing a striker or bouncer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 Look at Ormerod's goal scoring record for Blackpool at this level. Look at Barnards goal scoring record for Southend at this level. Very similar. Ormerod could not reproduce at a higher level but had a good work rate. Barnard has a good work rate. Can he do it at a higher level? Untried as yet but as Ormerod did not and Barnard might, I will take Barnard for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 I think Barnard has a better touch and is probably a better goalscorer. I think Ormerod is faster and probably has better movement. I think, on balance, they are both exactly as good as each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 Ormerod! /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 Look at Ormerod's goal scoring record for Blackpool at this level. Look at Barnards goal scoring record for Southend at this level. Very similar. Ormerod could not reproduce at a higher level but had a good work rate. Barnard has a good work rate. Can he do it at a higher level? Untried as yet but as Ormerod did not and Barnard might, I will take Barnard for now. Can't agree with that. Ormerod never got the goals in the Prem that he did in the third tier but got a fair few and was a decent player in a pretty decent Saints team. Saw him take Liverpool's defence apart at Anfield Dec 03. Scored the vital goal at Villa Park and nearly (bar a world class save) did the same in the Cup Final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 Ormerod 1995–1997 Accrington Stanley 54 (32) 1997–2001 Blackpool 128 (46) 2001–2006 Southampton 98 (11) 2004 → Leeds United (loan) 6 (0) 2005 → Wigan Athletic (loan) 6 (2) 2006–2009 Preston North End 62 (13) 2008 → Nottingham Forest (loan) 13 (2) 2008 → Oldham Athletic (loan) 5 (0) 2009– Blackpool 57 (13) Barnard 2002–2008 Tottenham Hotspur 3 (0) 2002 → Exeter City (loan) 3 (0) 2004 → Stevenage Borough (loan) 4 (1) 2004–2005 → Leyton Orient (loan) 10 (0) 2005 → Northampton Town (loan) 3 (0) 2007–2008 → Crewe Alexandra (loan) 10 (3) 2008–2010 Southend United 75 (35) 2010– Southampton 32 (13) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 Posh Spice is a slapper Her knickers smell of cod When shes ****ing Beckham She thinks of Ormerod Better song for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 Ormerod 1995–1997 Accrington Stanley 54 (32) 1997–2001 Blackpool 128 (46) 2001–2006 Southampton 98 (11) 2004 → Leeds United (loan) 6 (0) 2005 → Wigan Athletic (loan) 6 (2) 2006–2009 Preston North End 62 (13) 2008 → Nottingham Forest (loan) 13 (2) 2008 → Oldham Athletic (loan) 5 (0) 2009– Blackpool 57 (13) Barnard 2002–2008 Tottenham Hotspur 3 (0) 2002 → Exeter City (loan) 3 (0) 2004 → Stevenage Borough (loan) 4 (1) 2004–2005 → Leyton Orient (loan) 10 (0) 2005 → Northampton Town (loan) 3 (0) 2007–2008 → Crewe Alexandra (loan) 10 (3) 2008–2010 Southend United 75 (35) 2010– Southampton 32 (13) So for those that can't be bothered that's Brett 429 (119) = 27.7% Lee 140 (52) = 37.1% Assume above includes sub appearances and no idea if they were always playing as out and out strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 Ormerod 1995–1997 Accrington Stanley 54 (32) 1997–2001 Blackpool 128 (46) 2001–2006 Southampton 98 (11) 2004 → Leeds United (loan) 6 (0) 2005 → Wigan Athletic (loan) 6 (2) 2006–2009 Preston North End 62 (13) 2008 → Nottingham Forest (loan) 13 (2) 2008 → Oldham Athletic (loan) 5 (0) 2009– Blackpool 57 (13) Barnard 2002–2008 Tottenham Hotspur 3 (0) 2002 → Exeter City (loan) 3 (0) 2004 → Stevenage Borough (loan) 4 (1) 2004–2005 → Leyton Orient (loan) 10 (0) 2005 → Northampton Town (loan) 3 (0) 2007–2008 → Crewe Alexandra (loan) 10 (3) 2008–2010 Southend United 75 (35) 2010– Southampton 32 (13) Who are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 Who are they? Exaccc ly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 November, 2010 Share Posted 11 November, 2010 Brett, he made Beatts look a half decent player with his work Amen to that. The fact that Beattie had some such a good season 23 goals was due in no small measure to Bretts assists. On his own he was hardly a great goalscorer, but I'd give him 110% for effort. Choosing ..apart from BO being 30+ now, I'd take Barney anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 11 November, 2010 Share Posted 11 November, 2010 Without Ormerod, Beattie would have been exposed as a very lazy player and wouldn't have scored even half the goals he did. The Beattie/Ormerod partnership was the perfect example of complimentary opposites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 11 November, 2010 Share Posted 11 November, 2010 Without Ormerod, Beattie would have been exposed as a very lazy player and wouldn't have scored even half the goals he did. The Beattie/Ormerod partnership was the perfect example of complimentary opposites. Your right a two footed striker who's great in the air is completely the oposite of a tryer who was playing above his level! Back to the OP right now I'd take Ormerod in his prime as he was pretty quick and our team still lacks a bit of pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 11 November, 2010 Share Posted 11 November, 2010 I'm afraid people look back on Beatties time with us through rose tinted spectacles, he was a very lazy player. He could finish, but if it wasn't for Ormerod doing all his running he would have scored a lot less goals. He definitely had ability but his workrate was poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 11 November, 2010 Share Posted 11 November, 2010 I've been playing CM2003 and Brett's scored 9 goals in 5 games. That swings it IMO. Seriously both are pretty similar, both started at top flight clubs, both did well in the lower leagues, both work their nuts off, but Barnard is perhaps the better finisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 November, 2010 Share Posted 11 November, 2010 Your right a two footed striker who's great in the air is completely the oposite of a tryer who was playing above his level! Back to the OP right now I'd take Ormerod in his prime as he was pretty quick and our team still lacks a bit of pace. At beattie has never regained the form he had alongside said tryer. He has been pretty dump otherwise and was technically pretty poor, he had a first touch longer then some could kick it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 11 November, 2010 Share Posted 11 November, 2010 Barnard, it is hard to call as one of them has played in the top flight, the other one is a league one player!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 11 November, 2010 Share Posted 11 November, 2010 Ormerod had much better sideburns if that counts for anything (and imo it ought to) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 11 November, 2010 Share Posted 11 November, 2010 Wasn't the Beattie and Pahars combination the most succesful strike partnership in the Premier League the season before the cup final? Something like 30 odd goals between them. There is no doubting Brett's work rate was a possitive influence on the team, but he wasn't the sole reason Beattie scored goals. I really couldn't pick between Ormerod and Barnard. Both excellent at this level, but neither has proven themselves higher up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 11 November, 2010 Share Posted 11 November, 2010 I'm afraid people look back on Beatties time with us through rose tinted spectacles, he was a very lazy player. He definitely had ability but his workrate was poor. That's not the Beattie that I used to watch - he couldn't control the ball at all but he certainly put himself about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 12 November, 2010 Share Posted 12 November, 2010 Without Ormerod, Beattie would have been exposed as a very lazy player and wouldn't have scored even half the goals he did. The Beattie/Ormerod partnership was the perfect example of complimentary opposites. Sorry Ormerod was rubbish, Beatts was quality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 12 November, 2010 Share Posted 12 November, 2010 What? I watched most the games that season and both Beattie and Ormerod worked their arses off. That was how the team working, defending from the front and not letting the opposition rest. Or are we ignoring that because Beattie left? He scored 23 goals because he stayed in good form all season. Many of them were great goals, half chances, or long shots. Mental to suggest he wasn't very, very good at that time. He was good before and after that, just never quite the same level. Brett was very useful but the Beatte/Pahars combination was far, far, far better. Watching those two destroy Chelsea at Stamford Bridge remains one of the highlights of supporting Saints. I'd still welcome Beattie back now. He needs to find a club he's wanted at. Still loads of ability and it seems this is his club more than any other. With Lambert off form and needing another option he'd be a brilliant signing, even on loan. Here here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 12 November, 2010 Share Posted 12 November, 2010 As the OP states having Ormerod back in his prime, then I'd certainly pick him over Barnard (although I do like Barney playing for us still). We all know he wasn't the greatest finisher in the world but the energy he brought to the team was immense. And he did score some goals as well, it's not as if he was completely hopeless in front of goal. If you could plonk a player like Ormerod at his peak into a League One, it would be fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 November, 2010 Share Posted 12 November, 2010 (edited) I'm afraid people look back on Beatties time with us through rose tinted spectacles, he was a very lazy player. He could finish, but if it wasn't for Ormerod doing all his running he would have scored a lot less goals. He definitely had ability but his workrate was poor. either your memory is appauling, you don't like him or your glasses were fogged up mate. For starters many of BT's goals came from pens, free kicks and headers and had nothing to do with Brettie. Brettie clearly worked hard and created ther platform for BT to do his thing and he set up one or two as well no doubt about it, but in he 02/03 and 03/04 seasons BT was in one of those spells where everything he kicked went in and it wouldn't have mattered who was playing next to him - he'd of still scored goals. As for BT not working hard, that is a load of rubbish. He was a big lad that obviously wasn't sharp on the turn, but he ran in straight lines all day long, jumped for everything and lead the line tremendously well. The fact he didn't score goals during the first couple of years (6 in the 98/99 season) yet still retained his place and won player of the season (98/99) shows exactly what the fans thought of his work rate. It was right up there with the best. Edited 12 November, 2010 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 12 November, 2010 Share Posted 12 November, 2010 Wasn't the Beattie and Pahars combination the most succesful strike partnership in the Premier League the season before the cup final? Something like 30 odd goals between them. There is no doubting Brett's work rate was a possitive influence on the team, but he wasn't the sole reason Beattie scored goals. I really couldn't pick between Ormerod and Barnard. Both excellent at this level, but neither has proven themselves higher up. YES ..Pahars and Beattie were good, but we had a great midfield at that time, who provided lots of assists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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