Smiley Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 Happy New Year guys..... Not seen much of AOC and came across this forum and was interested to know peopels opinions of this young talent. 1) Is he as good as Walcott was at the same age and is he as quick as him? 2) What's his dribbling like? Does he rely on his pace to go past players or does he possess good skill and trickery to beat players? 3) In terms of his attributes what do you think is his best position? Can you see him taking up the wide position on a more permanent basis or do you see him moving back into cm long term? 4) Is he two footed? 5) If he moved to a premiership team do you feel he would be ready to start straight away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Thomas7 Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 Hello Mr Hodgson, Quite frankly this is lazy scouting. In short you may not have AOC, he is ours. Regards, St.Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 1. Yes he is as good and I think he is quicker. 2. He has good skill and trickery, he is not a one trick pony, ie knock it past the full back and go. 3. Only time will tell, I think at present he is better suited out wide. 4. Not sure 5. No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 He's not a patch on Paul Wotton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 Why would he want to go to a club where the Manager that appointed him is about to be sacked??? Makes no sense. He's better off carving a career with Southampton that will see him in the Prem within 3 years anyway. Consistency, continuity, comradery - not to be sniffed at in today's mercenary football world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 (edited) Regardless of his current merrits, the worst thing he could do at the moment is move to warm a premiership bench. He needs game time to help him flourish. He will have a long career ahead of him. Patience is a virtue and he should make his premiership debut for us in 3 to 4 years time. Frankly, the fading farce that is Liverpool would be a disaster for him. Edited 1 January, 2011 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 Happy New Year guys..... Not seen much of AOC and came across this forum and was interested to know peopels opinions of this young talent. 1) Is he as good as Walcott was at the same age and is he as quick as him? 2) What's his dribbling like? Does he rely on his pace to go past players or does he possess good skill and trickery to beat players? 3) In terms of his attributes what do you think is his best position? Can you see him taking up the wide position on a more permanent basis or do you see him moving back into cm long term? 4) Is he two footed? 5) If he moved to a premiership team do you feel he would be ready to start straight away? Not really and No. His pace is obviously a huge asset but he's got quick feet. Depends. For us a wide player, can see him becoming a centre midfield player if he worked with Wenger though. Not sure, which probably means no. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 (edited) Why would he want to go to a club where the Manager that appointed him is about to be sacked??? Makes no sense. He's better off carving a career with Southampton that will see him in the Prem within 3 years anyway. Consistency, continuity, comradery - not to be sniffed at in today's mercenary football world. Comoli runs the hiring,firing and probably football strategy at Liverpool now, Hodgson just gets to train the first team for a few more days. Many of you don't know how Comolli works as a director of football but when he's in place the manager doesn't get all that much say in who gets bought and sold.Much of Tottenham's current side was built by Comolli, players who the fans said "who the firk is he(like Assou-Ekotto) but at the end of the day he digs up bargains most of the time.St Etienne signed 5 players last summer for about 150K in total, fans said we'll get stuffed but they've gone from 17th to 5th in the League and were top for a while. Edited 1 January, 2011 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 He's not a patch on Paul Wotton Not fit to wear the same shirt as Anthony Pulis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 Regardless of his current merrits, the worst thing he could do at the moment is move to warm a premiership bench. He needs game time to help him flourish. He will have a long career ahead of him. Patience is a virtue and he should make his premiership debut for us in 3 to 4 years time. Frankly, the fading farce that is Liverpool would be a disaster for him. any young player would rather be on liverpools bench than here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 he is a young man in his first season, the jury is out until he performs consistently over a complete season. players in his position eventually get found out , it is how he reacts to that which counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 does anyone think he is not trying to get a premiership move? Of course he is and so he should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vershinin Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 I believe he will be better than Walcott for the simple reason he can kick a football. As much as i love Theo he needs to be able to kick a ball properly before he is world class, AOC can already hit the ball properly and as he gets older and stronger that will improve even more. As for leaving, i believe the reason Theo struggles with some parts of his game is because he left us too early and stopped playing football for two years. Lets hope Alex doesnt make the same mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 I believe he will be better than Walcott for the simple reason he can kick a football. As much as i love Theo he needs to be able to kick a ball properly before he is world class, AOC can already hit the ball properly and as he gets older and stronger that will improve even more. As for leaving, i believe the reason Theo struggles with some parts of his game is because he left us too early and stopped playing football for two years. Lets hope Alex doesnt make the same mistake. This post is horribly wrong in so many ways. His footballing education was always going to be better at Arsenal. I'd much prefer to be working at Arsenal with Henry and Co than I would at a Championship level Southampton. He would have played more here yes, but the idea that would enhance his footballing ability is wrong. Just because he's playing games doesn't mean he develops better as a footballer, he would have developed better at Arsenal, working under some amazing coaches who haven't done too badly in bringing through youth. Also the idea that Theo struggles with kicking a ball properly is just absurd. His technique has improved massively at Arsenal, hence some of his goals this season have been awesome. Chelsea last week, what a finish. I also point you towards his goal against Shakhtar Donetsk which is just ridiculous composure and technique. If AOC gets the chance to go to a higher team, you can't blame him for taking it, it would give him the best opportunity to improve as a footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 I'd say overall he has slightly less pace than Theo, but seems to have a better footballing brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 remember how much more Theo had achieved by this stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 remember how much more Theo had achieved by this stage probably due more to Lowe's desperation to get him into the shop window and sold more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 how does that explain an England manager picking him by this age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 how does that explain an England manager picking him by this age? Sven,Nike,Arsenal,Sun+Mirror etc. Theo was at Arsenal that's what counts,he'd come from the Championship ,from a side managed by a "reputable manager".He'd been in all the UXX sides foe England.AOC has started on that road a wee bit later that's all.I don't believe he's as good as yet either.But Theo being sold to Arsenal with his enormous Nike contract certainly didn't hinder his progress.AOC needs to move on though but in the summer would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted 1 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 January, 2011 Happy New Year guys..... Not seen much of AOC and came across this forum and was interested to know peopels opinions of this young talent. 1) Is he as good as Walcott was at the same age and is he as quick as him? 2) What's his dribbling like? Does he rely on his pace to go past players or does he possess good skill and trickery to beat players? 3) In terms of his attributes what do you think is his best position? Can you see him taking up the wide position on a more permanent basis or do you see him moving back into cm long term? 4) Is he two footed? 5) If he moved to a premiership team do you feel he would be ready to start straight away? Yes, I am a Liverpool fan but I have always respected Southampton for the way they have nurtured young talent. For the record Comolli team of scouts identify players for positions the manager wants fulfilled = and comes back with a list. If the manager says no, he doesn't join. Comolli said so himself on many occasions it's a team effort. Hodgson will have the final say on signings. In all fairness Comolli is no different to scouts at other clubs. It's the scouts that go out looking for players (not necessarily the manager) and goes back to the manager with a list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted 1 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 January, 2011 The little clips I have seen of AOC I have been impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 You'll be able to see him first hand against your club next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 Yes, I am a Liverpool fan but I have always respected Southampton for the way they have nurtured young talent. For the record Comolli team of scouts identify players for positions the manager wants fulfilled = and comes back with a list. If the manager says no, he doesn't join. Comolli said so himself on many occasions it's a team effort. Hodgson will have the final say on signings. In all fairness Comolli is no different to scouts at other clubs. It's the scouts that go out looking for players (not necessarily the manager) and goes back to the manager with a list. Comolli says a lot of stuff believe me. I know the man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 why move to north west to play championship football next season when he can do that still living with mum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 He isn't as good as Theo. Anyone who says otherwise knows less about football than I do (which is saying something.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamLeGod Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 This post is horribly wrong in so many ways. His footballing education was always going to be better at Arsenal. I'd much prefer to be working at Arsenal with Henry and Co than I would at a Championship level Southampton. He would have played more here yes, but the idea that would enhance his footballing ability is wrong. Just because he's playing games doesn't mean he develops better as a footballer, he would have developed better at Arsenal, working under some amazing coaches who haven't done too badly in bringing through youth. Also the idea that Theo struggles with kicking a ball properly is just absurd. His technique has improved massively at Arsenal, hence some of his goals this season have been awesome. Chelsea last week, what a finish. I also point you towards his goal against Shakhtar Donetsk which is just ridiculous composure and technique. If AOC gets the chance to go to a higher team, you can't blame him for taking it, it would give him the best opportunity to improve as a footballer. Spot on. I don't understand the Theo slating that seems to go round on here. Let's not forget he is still only 21, by no means the finished article. I believe the Henry comparisons have some justification. He is super-quick. Will always terrorise defences for that alone. His dribbling has come on well, and his finishing has improved massively. To say it was a mistake for him to move to Arsenal was a joke. Arsene Wenger is probably one of the best managers around for bringing on young talent, along with Fergie. You only have to look at the current Arsenal squad to see that. The overwhelming majority of their squad are players Wenger has nurtured from a young age, and now look like title challengers. When Theo left we were a club in turmoil, selling anything/one not screwed down to keep us afloat. Can you really believe him staying here amongst the turmoil, the constant chopping changing of managers, the revolving door of players coming in and out, the boardroom struggles would have really aided his development better than working with one of the best managers around and one of the best strikers to have graced the premiership. Oxo and Theo are similar types of players (i.e. pacy, tricky, slight attacking players) so comparisons are inevitable. Oxo clearly has the potential to be a top player. Unlike Theo, Oxo is coming through at a much better time to be at the club. He is not yet ready to play regularly in the Premiership, so perhaps for now, it is best for him to carry on his steady development here. But to say going to a premiership club would be bad for him is foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Rick Posted 2 January, 2011 Share Posted 2 January, 2011 goal.com have just produced their top 100 global prospects under 21. unsurprisingly AOC is one of only 3 English players http://www.goal.com/en/news/3376/goalcom-youth-football/2011/01/01/2284652/goalcom-hot-100-the-young-stars-to-look-out-for-in-2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 2 January, 2011 Share Posted 2 January, 2011 NA will drop AOC at some stage in the not too distant future for his own good & development NA knows all about physical development from his physio days & that over exertion will ruin the boy & lead to later problems ie: michael owen AOC is a great prospect & should make us a fortune either if NC&NA sell to the highest bidder or AOC is part of the saints team that play in the prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 2 January, 2011 Share Posted 2 January, 2011 Smiley he's rubbish, tell everyone at LFC to look elsewhere...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted 2 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 2 January, 2011 Smiley he's rubbish, tell everyone at LFC to look elsewhere...... With the way Kuyt's been playing on the right lately I'd have no qualms throwing AOC in the deep end;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 2 January, 2011 Share Posted 2 January, 2011 He isn't as good as Theo. Anyone who says otherwise knows less about football than I do (which is saying something.) The constant need to compare the two really annoys me. They aren't even that similar in style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 2 January, 2011 Share Posted 2 January, 2011 This post is horribly wrong in so many ways. His footballing education was always going to be better at Arsenal. I'd much prefer to be working at Arsenal with Henry and Co than I would at a Championship level Southampton. He would have played more here yes, but the idea that would enhance his footballing ability is wrong. Just because he's playing games doesn't mean he develops better as a footballer, he would have developed better at Arsenal, working under some amazing coaches who haven't done too badly in bringing through youth. Also the idea that Theo struggles with kicking a ball properly is just absurd. His technique has improved massively at Arsenal, hence some of his goals this season have been awesome. Chelsea last week, what a finish. I also point you towards his goal against Shakhtar Donetsk which is just ridiculous composure and technique. If AOC gets the chance to go to a higher team, you can't blame him for taking it, it would give him the best opportunity to improve as a footballer. Not entirely sure with some of this. Theo was playing up front for us, was getting plenty of game time and his confidence was very high. There will have been plenty of positives for Theo in joining Arsenal but his confidence was knocked big time and this has probably taken the edge off some of the benefits of being in the Arsenal set-up. There is no way of knowing if a Saints Theo would be a better or worse player that an Arsenal Theo but it isn't unreasonable to suggest that he would have developed very well by staying a Saint for a year of two more, playing more regularly and playing up-front. Having said that I don't blame him at all for leaving when he did, I'd have done exactly the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted 3 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 3 January, 2011 Apparently Comolli was at the game today. Anyone know if this is true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 Apparently Comolli was at the game today. Anyone know if this is true? It was. Apparently Chamberlain isn't your man though. It's Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted 3 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 3 January, 2011 It was. Apparently Chamberlain isn't your man though. It's Lallana. What makes you think it was Lallana he went to see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 What makes you think it was Lallana he went to see? I've no idea personally, but if true I would say because Lallana is a much better player. For now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 He isn't as good as Theo. Anyone who says otherwise knows less about football than I do (which is saying something.) IMO he is as good as Theo when at the same age. I know more about football than anyone. Smiley winkey eye thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 what would we do if they said £12m for both.....??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Liverpool Arsenal and Spurs all had scouts watching him and are interested in signing him according to talksport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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