saintscottofthenortham Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 FFS. Lawrie, Tiss and Benali are starting to make themselves look very silly indeed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1354685/Southampton-players-told-boycott-125th-centenary-dinner-Keegan-McMenemy--Co.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie66 Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Just the opposite if true .It is Cortese that is coming accross as petty and mean. After all this is a charity event but in honour of Saints 125th anniversary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Just the opposite if true .It is Cortese that is coming accross as petty and mean. After all this is a charity event but in honour of Saints 125th anniversary. If you believe the dopey article and the quotes from losers like Osman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Lets face it these events should be organised with the blessing and support of the club. It should be organised through the club and I think this is where the problem lies. As the saying goes. There are 3 sides to every story. Cortese, Le Tissier and the truth. Please don't wash your dirty laundry in public. Get round a table and sort out what is best for the club. Public squabbling is not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Dark forces indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Le Tissier told Sportsmail last night: ‘There is no question in my mind that this has come from the chairman. In my view, the guy is the worst kind of control freak." Ding, ding....another 15 page thread on the way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 FFS. Lawrie, Tiss and Benali are starting to make themselves look very silly indeed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1354685/Southampton-players-told-boycott-125th-centenary-dinner-Keegan-McMenemy--Co.html failing to embrace clubs history?? The ex-players invited to ground, shirt, montage of old games etc. Does Osman go to games? Mail and these people need to get over themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made in Southampton Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Le tissiers love in with the mail continues then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 This is just the latest round of Cortese vs. MLT(Pinnacle), in my mind. Pity such an important occasion for the club is caught in the cross-fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Forced !!??? Sounds like a tinsy winsy bit of an over-reaction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Forced !!??? Sounds like a tinsy winsy bit of an over-reaction Thought that myself! if I was a player, and wanted to go, then I'd go, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Without wishing to take sides here, but given Le Tiss & co know that Cortese is a "control freak" would it not have crossed their minds that this scenario was highly likely to arise? Sometimes in life you have to accept the way other people are even if you don't like it. Some might even argue that an event such as this was organised in the knowledge that it would cause friction. As I say, this is another one of those scenarios involving Cortese where my instinct is to sit on the fence of judgement. As another member of this forum has eruditely observed before - at least Cortese is showing 100% consistency in his approach to everything. In other words, you know where you stand with him, whether you like it or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Hugh Fisher & Peter Rodrigues visited the training ground recently with the FA cup ,no probs there then ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nutkins Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Lets face it these events should be organised with the blessing and support of the club. It should be organised through the club and I think this is where the problem lies. As the saying goes. There are 3 sides to every story. Cortese, Le Tissier and the truth. Please don't wash your dirty laundry in public. Get round a table and sort out what is best for the club. Public squabbling is not the answer. Well said Andy, what a shame that it seems any news about Saints is always contraversial(sp).It seems to me there are always co..ck waving contests, aired live in the papers.No one person is bigger than the football club, as the Liverpool manager said over the Torres business and i believe he is right. As for the comments about Mike Osman on here, they are not nice, after all the guy is trying to make the best evening possible for all those going, and i don't think the comments were necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 We must have really upset somebody at the Daily Mail. Are they going to print something about us everday? It is an utter racist rag anyway. Who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 FFS. Lawrie, Tiss and Benali are starting to make themselves look very silly indeed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1354685/Southampton-players-told-boycott-125th-centenary-dinner-Keegan-McMenemy--Co.html ‘The way he is ignoring the club’s history is so sad.’ Matty! Matty! Matty!, what shirt are we playing in? I really hope those are not direct quotes from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 This quote sums it up:- Le Tissier, arguably the Saints’ most famous player, was made to wait for 10 days before being granted tickets for Southampton’s recent FA Cup clash against Manchester United — despite the fact there were many empty seats at St Mary’s during the game. ....because we knew it wouldn't sell out. Gutter press at it's finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 If you believe the dopey article and the quotes from losers like Osman. tell us all how much of a real winner in life you are then mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 We must have really upset somebody at the Daily Mail Hands up - it was me. After all these years of the SWF victimising us Daily Mail readers I had to take a stand.... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 This quote sums it up:- Le Tissier, arguably the Saints’ most famous player, was made to wait for 10 days before being granted tickets for Southampton’s recent FA Cup clash against Manchester United — despite the fact there were many empty seats at St Mary’s during the game. ....because we knew it wouldn't sell out. Gutter press at it's finest. Some might say that last sentence would be better worded: "...despite the fact Matt couldn't make it anyway because he was working"... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 The Ex-Saints do a lot of charity work, and have done for a number of years. They should be supported by the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 This is a ongoing non- story, there is a problem,it probably won't be resolved any time soon or ever under current ownership and on slow news days journalists will listen to anyone with a gripe to wind a story round. If it is MLT that is doing the stirring I am disappointed in him as he has moved on and has a good living others who have not can't live on the glory days forever they have had their days in the sun,they have been thanked and lauded long enough and entitlement has a sell by date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 You know, Cortese hasn't really said anything, thats one thing about the guy, he makes his decisions and the only fuss seemingly coming, is from from other people. He has every right to make whatever decsion he wants, may not always be the best or right one but, you live and die by the sword. I am going on Sunday and really looking foreward to it, but I really think that whatever they think now, and as great and passionate the were about saints, its time for them to leave it. They are (a great) history but we are moving on, and you can almost smell their bitterness sometimes, and that is really sad. I want to remember Matty and Franny as legends, not what they are becoming. At the end of the day its the fans' that will untimately decide of Cortese is making the right decisions, as they did with Lowe, and as what happened with Lowe, if the fans don't like it then it ain't going to happen. So we really dont need the likes of Matty and co slagging off the club every five minutes, and Sunday will be a sad night if it turns into a club bashing exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 This is disgusting. Our chairman really is a tosser at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 If these are genuine quotes the guys should really know better However as it's the Daily Heil......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 This is disgusting. Our chairman really is a tosser at times. He does what he wants and says what he thinks. A quality I admire in you too Dune ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 This is disgusting. Our chairman really is a tosser at times. A Daily Mail supporter before a Saints supporter then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 This is disgusting. Our chairman really is a tosser at times. There are no quotes from him whatsoever. Therefore we like the Daily Mail, have no idea what his official stance is on the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 The fact that this is going on without the club's blessing and support is pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 If these are genuine quotes the guys should really know better However as it's the Daily Heil......................... If the quotes are fabricated then I'm sure we'll see those concerned contact the press complaints commission in due course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 There are no quotes from him whatsoever. Therefore we like the Daily Mail, have no idea what his official stance is on the party. Matt Le Tissier seems to think this is Cortese's doing and I have a lot of respect for MLT. Certainy far more respect for him than for that slimy Italian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Matt Le Tissier seems to think this is Cortese's doing and I have a lot of respect for MLT. Certainy far more respect for him than for that slimy Italian. He thinks, he doesn't know, and with recent history between the two, his opinion may be jaded somewhat. I have respect for MLT too, but we don't know the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 If the quotes are fabricated then I'm sure we'll see those concerned contact the press complaints commission in due course... It's also worth noting that there are no quotes from the Club...nor any rider to say that the club were asked to comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 It's also worth noting that there are no quotes from the Club...nor any rider to say that the club were asked to comment. Or any reason to believe it's all made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Oh goodie. Let's face it, if it wasn't for the moaning minnies we'd have nothing to talk about. So, my take on it - a local celebrity and do-gooder organises a charity event. He wants some players to come. OK, but according to the article he invited players & manager. Now, I would hazzard a guess that at most Football clubs, players are contracted and have an Image Rights Value, meaning that IF you wish to invite them to attend any sort of event there would be a process that you have to follow. After all, although a Charity event, the appearance of players is still what would be termed "An Endorsement" and is designed to gain more media coverage and more money being raised. My guess is that you would likely have to approach the CLUB with a request (probably the Commercial Depratment) to explain the event, the benefit to the club OR the charity and would in most cases be given the club's support to invite the players. (I would expect it to be a little different with say player appearances at say a Player Testimonial Event) Someone in the Club would have to ensure that it is a valid event, does not contravene any internal contracts or agreements or endorsements and then gives their blessing. After all, if something went wrong, the club would get it in the neck. Not to mention for example Liverpool players being invited to a Chairty event that (for eg) was to benefit something to do with The Sun newspaper. Due processs has to be followed. The article states that Osman invited the players. The club refused. So, once again, a shortage of FACTS. Did he follow process? Did he give the club the right reasons? If he DID contact the club, perhaps some inside the club thought that it would be a BAD thing from a Team Morale perspective to allow players to spend an entire evening amongst people who are extremely negative to the club. Shame they cannot go and mix with our legends, and help out worthwhile charities, but sorry Mike, Franny & MLT you are starting to look REALLY stupid. There has been a line used since forever - You reap what you sow. So STFU Oh, and my guess? He thought he was such a big celebrity and it was such an important event he didn't have to bother asking the club first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 To calm this down again, perhaps we have found a use for Anthony Pulis. Official ex-players party liaison officer. Get him down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Oh goodie. Let's face it, if it wasn't for the moaning minnies we'd have nothing to talk about. So, my take on it - a local celebrity and do-gooder organises a charity event. He wants some players to come. OK, but according to the article he invited players & manager. Now, I would hazzard a guess that at most Football clubs, players are contracted and have an Image Rights Value, meaning that IF you wish to invite them to attend any sort of event there would be a process that you have to follow. After all, although a Charity event, the appearance of players is still what would be termed "An Endorsement" and is designed to gain more media coverage and more money being raised. My guess is that you would likely have to approach the CLUB with a request (probably the Commercial Depratment) to explain the event, the benefit to the club OR the charity and would in most cases be given the club's support to invite the players. (I would expect it to be a little different with say player appearances at say a Player Testimonial Event) Someone in the Club would have to ensure that it is a valid event, does not contravene any internal contracts or agreements or endorsements and then gives their blessing. After all, if something went wrong, the club would get it in the neck. Not to mention for example Liverpool players being invited to a Chairty event that (for eg) was to benefit something to do with The Sun newspaper. Due processs has to be followed. The article states that Osman invited the players. The club refused. So, once again, a shortage of FACTS. Did he follow process? Did he give the club the right reasons? If he DID contact the club, perhaps some inside the club thought that it would be a BAD thing from a Team Morale perspective to allow players to spend an entire evening amongst people who are extremely negative to the club. Shame they cannot go and mix with our legends, and help out worthwhile charities, but sorry Mike, Franny & MLT you are starting to look REALLY stupid. There has been a line used since forever - You reap what you sow. So STFU Great Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Matt Le Tissier seems to think this is Cortese's doing and I have a lot of respect for MLT. Certainy far more respect for him than for that slimy Italian. I've highlighted the part that is the important bit. So without concrete evidence, you're going to take the side of the lazy Guernsey man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Q: Would Rupert Lowe have stooped this low. "Now we are being told the ex-Saints, which is a charity that raises money for good causes and former players who have fallen on hard times, have been told they can’t use the club badge on any of its paraphernalia or literature." A: No, and we all know how bad he was. Cortese is making even worse decisions in his PR than Lowe. Who would have thought that possible? The reason this Club has such large attendances in L1 compared to most other teams is our recent heritage from the 60s to the 00s. That heritage was built by our former players and managers. Attacking our history damages the brand of Saints and will eventually poison it so badly that attendances will suffer. When Lowe came back attendances dropped by 5,000 and went up by a similar amount after he left even though we had then dropped to L1. Cortese is a juvenile learner in a Chairman's job and it shows. He has temper tantrums and throws around bans without caring for the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Cortese is a juvenile learner in a Chairman's job and it shows. He has temper tantrums and throws around bans without caring for the consequences. What bans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Ex players like Le Tiss should have some respect shown to them, but they do not have a right to be part of the current club. It is nice when they are included but that is a decision of the owners. This episode, as others have said, would have been better sorted out behind closed doors. It can't do any good. NC maybe a control freak, but if the results come, who cares? As a customer (aka supporter) I really don't mind too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 'that slimy Italian' You've met him? Matt's a great footballer & a comical & knowledgeable pundit. He, in my opinion, ill-advisedly, got involved in a non-bid for the club - I'm absolutely certain with the best of intentions - and this set him against NC. NC won & the club is the better for it -in my opinion. If these quotes are in context & genuine then it doesn't reflect well on a player that I have revered in my supporting life & makes him sound like he has a petty agenda. I'd like to think that wouldn't be the case but it's not in the interests of anybody concerned with Saints (supporters through to chairman) for this bickering (in this case from one side only....if true being my rider) to be aired in public. The Mail doesn't have a great record of truth in it's recent dealings with Saints related stories & I hope it's just their usual trash journalism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 I've highlighted the part that is the important bit. So without concrete evidence, you're going to take the side of the lazy Guernsey man? How can you say "lazy Guernsey man" about Le Tissier? He showed real loyalty to this Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 What bans? er banning photographers , ex players and now ex Saints from using the name and logo. Those are bans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Oh goodie. Let's face it, if it wasn't for the moaning minnies we'd have nothing to talk about. So, my take on it - a local celebrity and do-gooder organises a charity event. He wants some players to come. OK, but according to the article he invited players & manager. Now, I would hazzard a guess that at most Football clubs, players are contracted and have an Image Rights Value, meaning that IF you wish to invite them to attend any sort of event there would be a process that you have to follow. After all, although a Charity event, the appearance of players is still what would be termed "An Endorsement" and is designed to gain more media coverage and more money being raised. My guess is that you would likely have to approach the CLUB with a request (probably the Commercial Depratment) to explain the event, the benefit to the club OR the charity and would in most cases be given the club's support to invite the players. (I would expect it to be a little different with say player appearances at say a Player Testimonial Event) Someone in the Club would have to ensure that it is a valid event, does not contravene any internal contracts or agreements or endorsements and then gives their blessing. After all, if something went wrong, the club would get it in the neck. Not to mention for example Liverpool players being invited to a Chairty event that (for eg) was to benefit something to do with The Sun newspaper. Due processs has to be followed. The article states that Osman invited the players. The club refused. So, once again, a shortage of FACTS. Did he follow process? Did he give the club the right reasons? If he DID contact the club, perhaps some inside the club thought that it would be a BAD thing from a Team Morale perspective to allow players to spend an entire evening amongst people who are extremely negative to the club. Shame they cannot go and mix with our legends, and help out worthwhile charities, but sorry Mike, Franny & MLT you are starting to look REALLY stupid. There has been a line used since forever - You reap what you sow. So STFU Oh, and my guess? He thought he was such a big celebrity and it was such an important event he didn't have to bother asking the club first Or they approached the club the right way, Cortese saw that MLT was involved, and toys went out the pram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 er banning photographers , ex players and now ex Saints from using the name and logo. Those are bans. The name and logo is pretty standard practice. The photographers was undeniably a mistake, but one he has gone back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 There is also the ban of having an ST on Illingsworth. An independent body setup by Clubs has found that the Club was wrong to apply that ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 There is also the ban of having an ST on Illingsworth. An independent body setup by Clubs has found that the Club was wrong to apply that ban. That is the only true ban that I know of, and there is a whole other thread on that one...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 8 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Or they approached the club the right way, Cortese saw that MLT was involved, and toys went out the pram. LOL. You are funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 (edited) Cortese has made it plainly clear he wants to disassociate the club from the personalities of the past, some of which have served the club well but can clearly be distracting, some of which have had a destructive effect. Its his club to run, his way, his rules, and he wants to be judged on the RESULTS. The form of this judgment will clearly be attendance figures and hence revenue, alongside promotion. So far it looks good, we are in the top six, with games in hand and have been 2nd and auto promotion spot a few times (something that never happened with Burley or Pardew) I have absolutely no problem with that. STFU and let him get on with it. If he tore down Ted's statue, the time would be right for questioning his attitude towards the club's history. Edited 8 February, 2011 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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