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well for the 600 or so saints fan who made the effort tonight, shame the team didnt put in half the effort we did. not one shot on target and imo lucky we got a point from this game. since winning 6 0 away against oldham we havent played well in the league and on this performance we will be lucky to reach the play offs. credit to the saints fan from truro who made the trip u deserved to see a better performance than that.

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All in all, a point is not too bad and results apart from Brighton went our way

 

I can't see how results went our way?????

 

We drew. So did Bournemouth, Huddersfield & Peterborough. If we're going to catch them/overtake them, we have to better their results . . . which we didn't.

 

A draw at Hartlepool is - by any measure - not good enough for a side that is (supposedly) serious about going up this season.

 

And don't even get me started about catching Brighton . . .

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I can't see how results went our way?????

 

We drew. So did Bournemouth, Huddersfield & Peterborough. If we're going to catch them/overtake them, we have to better their results . . . which we didn't.

 

A draw at Hartlepool is - by any measure - not good enough for a side that is (supposedly) serious about going up this season.

 

And don't even get me started about catching Brighton . . .

 

It rather depends how you look at that. Hartlepool have beaten Brighton, Peterborough at home and Bournemouth and Huddersfield away. Therefore we gained one point that they didn't.

 

As for Brighton, yes, they look as if they're beginning to run away with it. Don't I recall Leeds doing exactly the same thing at this stage of the Season, even beating ManUre in the Cup. Before slumping and just about limping into the play-offs a couple of seasons ago?

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A draw at Hartlepool is - by any measure - not good enough for a side that is (supposedly) serious about going up this season.

 

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serious about going up? probably the dullest thing i've seen anybody write on here, and thats saying something. No we're not serious about going up, nah we want to stay in this league. in fact we should be more serious about relegation next season as i think this season is out of the question.

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A draw at Hartlepool on a Tuesday isn't a bad result if you look at it on it's own but we can't afford to keep drawing away after basically losing a month of the season between Pardew and Adkins, we've got to make sure we don't become stagnant in the play offs.

 

We really need to get back into our stride very quickly.

 

The two games against Charlton are getting bigger and bigger, I really hope we can take our full allocation to the Valley, it could be our most important game for 18 months... six points from the Charlton games and I think we will have the belief and confidence to go on to finish second or win the play offs, otherwise we could well end up in a play off final against Charlton coming off the back of two games against them... another season rebuilding in this league with another manager isn't worth thinking about.

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I can't see how results went our way?????

 

We drew. So did Bournemouth, Huddersfield & Peterborough. If we're going to catch them/overtake them, we have to better their results . . . which we didn't.

A draw at Hartlepool is - by any measure - not good enough for a side that is (supposedly) serious about going up this season.

 

And don't even get me started about catching Brighton . . .

 

No we don't - we have more games than them.

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serious about going up? probably the dullest thing i've seen anybody write on here, and thats saying something. No we're not serious about going up, nah we want to stay in this league. in fact we should be more serious about relegation next season as i think this season is out of the question.

 

Indeed. And, by his measure, Brighton aren't serious about going up either.

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A draw at Hartlepool on a Tuesday isn't a bad result if you look at it on it's own but we can't afford to keep drawing away after basically losing a month of the season between Pardew and Adkins, we've got to make sure we don't become stagnant in the play offs.

 

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If you'd seen how bad Hartlepool were you wouldn't be saying that. THey were there for the taking and once again we failed to even trouble their keeper. 7 shots on target the stats may say, I reckon it was more like 7 back passes. That team as it is isn't good enough to go up, and the thing that is starting to worry me is the manager doesn't seem to know, or want, to do anything about it.

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If you'd seen how bad Hartlepool were you wouldn't be saying that. THey were there for the taking and once again we failed to even trouble their keeper. 7 shots on target the stats may say, I reckon it was more like 7 back passes. That team as it is isn't good enough to go up, and the thing that is starting to worry me is the manager doesn't seem to know, or want, to do anything about it.
. This is exactly how I see it, dont know where they got 7 shots on target from.

 

Some of you saying a draw at Hartlepool is a good result, its not the result its the way we are playing we have no killer instinct and the goals are drying up and we were very lucky last night to not have one or two penalties given against us. We have a bogey team on Saturday and if we played like last night they are once again going to get something out of the game.

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If you'd seen how bad Hartlepool were you wouldn't be saying that. THey were there for the taking and once again we failed to even trouble their keeper. 7 shots on target the stats may say, I reckon it was more like 7 back passes. That team as it is isn't good enough to go up, and the thing that is starting to worry me is the manager doesn't seem to know, or want, to do anything about it.

 

I didn't go so i'll trust your judgement there... can't bring myself to do 350 miles on a Tuesday after missing out on a handfull of games already because of postponements this season.

 

Fair play to the 600 who went, very impressive.

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If you'd seen how bad Hartlepool were you wouldn't be saying that. THey were there for the taking and once again we failed to even trouble their keeper. 7 shots on target the stats may say, I reckon it was more like 7 back passes. That team as it is isn't good enough to go up, and the thing that is starting to worry me is the manager doesn't seem to know, or want, to do anything about it.

 

Statistics (45 points from 23 games) say that the team and Adkins are good enough to go up.It's our recent away record that is troubling.As long as home form keeps up and we get the odd away win and the draws keep coming then I can't see us not finishing second.If we have difficulty with Bournemouth,Brighton and Charlton away and another side shocks us at home then all may change but I'm still reasonably confident.Adkins needs to rest Ox a bit though and get the midfield right. Morgan and Chaplow,doubt if he'll do that though.

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. its not the result its the way we are playing

 

Exactly!! why are some on here overlooking this.

 

Its alright saying that its great that we can grind out results whilst we are playing badly, but we have been playing badly for a while now and we are going to be found out sooner than later if our form does not greatly improve.

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. This is exactly how I see it, dont know where they got 7 shots on target from.

 

Some of you saying a draw at Hartlepool is a good result, its not the result its the way we are playing we have no killer instinct and the goals are drying up and we were very lucky last night to not have one or two penalties given against us. We have a bogey team on Saturday and if we played like last night they are once again going to get something out of the game.

 

Hallelujah! Someone sees it as I do. Well done ladysaint you talk a lot of sense.

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Sounds like a poor performance,but we all know Saints,they don't perform away from home on a sh*ty ptich,right?I am an optimist ,so I am hoping that at home we can put in a decent performance,if we don't perform ,then Swindon will get something for sure.

 

Come on Saints,FFS start playing for promotion!!

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Very dull game. Reminds me of Wycombe away which was exactly this time last year funnily enough. Only highlight was 'Alan Carr'. Not the worst result in the world though with other sides drawing though. I see the wrist slitters are out in force on here this morning though, I guess we might as well give up on promotion now.

 

lucky we got a point from this game. we will be lucky to reach the play offs
Don't be such a drama queen. We didn't deserve to lose, they were even worse than us. I guarantee all the other teams up their have put in plenty of terrible performances this season as well, that's just the nature of this division. We were never going win 6-0 every week. We have no divine right to win these sort of games and they are a lot harder than people think. Leeds probably had a much better squad last season than we do now, and they only just stumbled over the line, dropping plenty of points to lower sides. We are still in a cracking position. Win our games in hand and we are in the automatic promotion places. We have a pretty decent run in too. Keep the faith people!
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1 deafeat from our previous 10 league games is not poor by any stretch.

 

What were the conditions like? Our better performances have been on good pitches. We continue to be hard to beat, I accept there was one very good shout for a penalty for Hartlepool.

 

Lallana started his first game since the 6-0 at Oldham, and he should be much more on the pace from Saturday, but if we go away from home for the remainder of the season, and draw at worst then unless our home form disintegrates we will be promoted.

 

We definitely do better when we have 2 games per week, not sure why though!

 

The initial reaction to a poor result is to be really down, but lets just accept that we got another point towards our goal, and look forward to the next match.

 

There is no reason to suggest we won't have a great game on saturday and win comfortably, and everyone will then suggest we are the best team in this division.

 

Just enjoy the ride!!

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If you'd seen how bad Hartlepool were you wouldn't be saying that. THey were there for the taking and once again we failed to even trouble their keeper. 7 shots on target the stats may say, I reckon it was more like 7 back passes. That team as it is isn't good enough to go up, and the thing that is starting to worry me is the manager doesn't seem to know, or want, to do anything about it.

 

 

Well said my man. I actually feel embarrassed that i put in as much effort/money into being there last night as i did. The game we were treated to was pathetic. First half was the worst half of football i have ever seen. As for the people who think a draw against Hartlepool is a good result, well, they can't have ever seen Hartlepool play. Awful side, and we can count our lucky stars that the ref gave us the benefit of the doubt with the penalty.

 

Also agree with the opening post from ladysaint. As for the 7 shots on target thing - well, i laughed when i read that. Utter ********.

 

Now this is in no way meant as an "i'm a better fan than you" post, but i think those fans who have witnessed recent performances (especially away) feel much less confident of promotion than the fans who haven't seen the side play recently and perhaps just look at results and stats. You can make up a stat to suit any argument. Last season we were not only winning most of our matches at this stage in the season, but we were hammering teams both home and away. Those of you who still think of us as automatic promotion favourites are setting yourselves up for a big fall IMO. Our only saving grace is this is probably the worst league 1 they've had in years.

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serious about going up? probably the dullest thing i've seen anybody write on here, and thats saying something. No we're not serious about going up, nah we want to stay in this league. in fact we should be more serious about relegation next season as i think this season is out of the question.

 

lol. I forgot it was half term this week. Thanks anyway keithd for . . .err . . . your insight!

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Well said my man. I actually feel embarrassed that i put in as much effort/money into being there last night as i did. The game we were treated to was pathetic. First half was the worst half of football i have ever seen. As for the people who think a draw against Hartlepool is a good result, well, they can't have ever seen Hartlepool play. Awful side, and we can count our lucky stars that the ref gave us the benefit of the doubt with the penalty.

 

Also agree with the opening post from ladysaint. As for the 7 shots on target thing - well, i laughed when i read that. Utter ********.

 

Now this is in no way meant as an "i'm a better fan than you" post, but i think those fans who have witnessed recent performances (especially away) feel much less confident of promotion than the fans who haven't seen the side play recently and perhaps just look at results and stats. You can make up a stat to suit any argument. Last season we were not only winning most of our matches at this stage in the season, but we were hammering teams both home and away. Those of you who still think of us as automatic promotion favourites are setting yourselves up for a big fall IMO. Our only saving grace is this is probably the worst league 1 they've had in years.

 

I go to every game and I'm confident we'll still get automatic promotion.

 

It's not true we were hammering everyone home and away this time last season at all. One year ago today we put in an abysmal performance at Wycombe. Before that we were lucky to scrape draws at Exeter and Brentford and were very unconvincing against a rubbish Stockport side. So in the last few weeks we've been about as bad as we were this time last season. We didn't hit our peak until shortly after that Wycombe game, starting with Walsall at home. Who's to say we won't do the same this year, starting with Swindon on Satuday? Lallana being back will make a big difference. Our run in looks good.

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You do make me chuckle with your "only the people that agree with me talk sense" outlook on this place.

 

I didn't say that. I don't understand the likes of nickG who just quote stats as if the prove anything. The manner of performances is key because it gives an indicator for future performances, regardless of results.

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I have only just returned from the game having stayed up overnight. I agree with lady saint when I heard the stat for shots on target I wondered if I was at the same game - the" shots " that I saw were very very weak - my granny could have hit them harder - yes on target but hardly shots . The pitch was not as rough as at Dag and Redbridge so could have played better football, felt the ball was in the air a lot of the time, felt that we got away with two penalty shouts from hartlepool. I must admit though I did feel cheered by the first ten to fifteen minutes of the second half - better effort, however that soon ebbed away to long balls, inaccurately weighted passes - although again I took some heart with some intercepted passes. Nice to see that Alan Carr made an appearance perhaps he was doing one of those reality job swap shows!

 

I suppose just have to forget this one and move on to Saturday. COYR

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Hallelujah! Someone sees it as I do. Well done ladysaint you talk a lot of sense.

 

:lol:

You do make me chuckle with your "only the people that agree with me talk sense" outlook on this place.

 

I didn't say that.

 

Erm, yeah you did, practically verbatim.

 

"Someone who sees it as I do" = "people that agree with me..."

Well done ladysaint you talk a lot of sense = "...talk sense"

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I didn't say that. I don't understand the likes of nickG who just quote stats as if the prove anything. The manner of performances is key because it gives an indicator for future performances, regardless of results.

 

Exactly. Like if we play badly but win, it might suggest that we could play badly and win in the future.

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Erm, yeah you did, practically verbatim.

 

"Someone who sees it as I do" = "people that agree with me..."

Well done ladysaint you talk a lot of sense = "...talk sense"

 

Ladysaint talks a lot of sense. In this instance she sees this situation as I do. At no point did I say 'ONLY the people who agree with me talk sense.' HTH

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Fair play to the supporters who made the trip. It sounded terrible on the radio - also Adkins was saying on another day Lallana could have had a hat trick - not apparent from the radio commentary?

 

Adkins says anything that comes into his head at the time. Did he mention that we could have lost it as easily as Adam could have scored 3?

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Fortunately I only had to get back to Bedford last night but what an awful performance we who went witnessed.

 

Can't get over how **** poor Guly is now that he has his contract. At one point in the second half he was gifted the ball by the Pools keeper and only needed to lob into an empty net. What does he do? Pass to a lazy totally switched off Lambert who was miles off side. Crass and symptomatic of all that we were last night. Davis too still inspires no confidence coming for balls and failing to get them.

 

We really must get a grip and Adkins needs to kick a few arses in that changing room.

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Fortunately I only had to get back to Bedford last night but what an awful performance we who went witnessed.

 

Can't get over how **** poor Guly is now that he has his contract. At one point in the second half he was gifted the ball by the Pools keeper and only needed to lob into an empty net. What does he do? Pass to a lazy totally switched off Lambert who was miles off side. Crass and symptomatic of all that we were last night. Davis too still inspires no confidence coming for balls and failing to get them.

 

We really must get a grip and Adkins needs to kick a few arses in that changing room.

 

My god I was so annoyed when that happened.

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If you look at the fixtures this Saturday and next Tuesday, things could look pretty good this time next week.

 

or pretty bad...........if we lose which is always a possiblity seeing as we don't have a divine right to beat anyone, money makes no difference in this league, teams don't just roll over and die becuase they're playing saints, we're everybody elses cup final so they always play better against us etc etc

 

Luckily we have games in hand which we will of course win despite the fact we're putting in some bad performances at the moment, never mind all the teams around us are bound to slip up soon................

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Sky sports says there was 7 shots on target and NA said Lallana could have had a hat trick but for some good saves. But you were there and I wasnt so I will take your word.

 

All in all, a point is not too bad and results apart from Brighton went our way

 

Dont Sky are entirely correct. We had 7 on target (two of which were blocked by defenders with brilliant stops and one (from Chaplow) by an excellent save by the keeper) and they had 4 I think but only 1 actually required a save and Kelvin even made that one flashier than he needed to. We also has more corners and much more possession. The half-empty brigade are very very depressing but didn't take the gloss of a good result. The reality is that automatic promotion just got a little easier as our main challengers dropped home points and we picked up one away, closing the disparity in home and away matches to come.

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or pretty bad...........if we lose which is always a possiblity seeing as we don't have a divine right to beat anyone, money makes no difference in this league, teams don't just roll over and die becuase they're playing saints, we're everybody elses cup final so they always play better against us etc etc

 

Luckily we have games in hand which we will of course win despite the fact we're putting in some bad performances at the moment, never mind all the teams around us are bound to slip up soon................

 

We will not lose against Swindon, it's unthinkable.

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