thorpie the sinner Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Have woken up this morning still thinking that was a good point last night all told, it might be invaluable at end of season! Moreso, if you consider we lost Adam our driving force in the first half and Alex our creative spark! None of this stopped the slit your wrists brigade though last night, not quite sure who they support any more, it certainly isnt saints!! Can't we have a 'slit your wrists' after match thread for the doom mongerers who will only be happy when they can bleat 'I told u so' at end of season and a normal thread for the reasoned supporters to debate the game in an rational and articulate fashion! We might avoid the mindless drivel and ensuing abuse thisay, and they can all revel in their misery together!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirleySaint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponto1963 Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 agree as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Have woken up this morning still thinking that was a good point last night all told, it might be invaluable at end of season! Moreso, if you consider we lost Adam our driving force in the first half and Alex our creative spark! None of this stopped the slit your wrists brigade though last night, not quite sure who they support any more, it certainly isnt saints!! Can't we have a 'slit your wrists' after match thread for the doom mongerers who will only be happy when they can bleat 'I told u so' at end of season and a normal thread for the reasoned supporters to debate the game in an rational and articulate fashion! We might avoid the mindless drivel and ensuing abuse thisay, and they can all revel in their misery together!!!!! If you consider we average 0.7 points a game without Lallana, nearly 2.3 with, then do you not think it may be time to panic? And considering Charlton had list 7 of their last 8, how is us drawing with them a good result? Just because you don't agree with what is said does not mean it is mindless drivel or inarticulate. I really hope I don't have to, but I will continue to bump this thread after every game we don't win, just to show you this isn't drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2011 If you consider we average 0.7 points a game without Lallana, nearly 2.3 with, then do you not think it may be time to panic? And considering Charlton had list 7 of their last 8, how is us drawing with them a good result? Just because you don't agree with what is said does not mean it is mindless drivel or inarticulate. I really hope I don't have to, but I will continue to bump this thread after every game we don't win, just to show you this isn't drivel. Charlton are a side low on confidence, we would have settled for a point on Boxing day! Remember this side beat Peterborough! I look forward to you telling me so at end of season if we don't go up, Jeez!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2011 saying that, I do think we need back up esp in CM, hope NA sorts something soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Have woken up this morning still thinking that was a good point last night all told, it might be invaluable at end of season! Moreso, if you consider we lost Adam our driving force in the first half and Alex our creative spark! None of this stopped the slit your wrists brigade though last night, not quite sure who they support any more, it certainly isnt saints!! Can't we have a 'slit your wrists' after match thread for the doom mongerers who will only be happy when they can bleat 'I told u so' at end of season and a normal thread for the reasoned supporters to debate the game in an rational and articulate fashion! We might avoid the mindless drivel and ensuing abuse thisay, and they can all revel in their misery together!!!!! Of course, you happy-clappers will be so magnanimous and not be abusive or say "I told you so" if we get promoted, right ? And I've woken up today still thinking this was an underachieving f**k-up. Deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Charlton are a side low on confidence, we would have settled for a point on Boxing day! Remember this side beat Peterborough! I look forward to you telling me so at end of season if we don't go up, Jeez!!!! So we shouldn't be beating teams low on confidence? How do you account for us hammering the Posh earlier this season? Should we have drawn that game? Charlton ate currently appalling. We should have beaten them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint michael Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Take Brighton out of the equation, they have this league sown up now (i believe) and show no signs of pressure. All the other teams in the mix are showing signs of pressure, it's not going to be smooth like we would like, but i do believe we will get over the line into 2nd place as we have just a bit more overall than the teams around us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Of course, you happy-clappers will be so magnanimous and not be abusive or say "I told you so" if we get promoted, right ? And I've woken up today still thinking this was an underachieving f**k-up. Deal with it. Two of our best players went off injured and we got a point, could be priceless! Why would anyone gloat if we get promoted, I will be looking at strengthening the team and looking forward! Its not us against you, we are a team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 If you consider we average 0.7 points a game without Lallana, nearly 2.3 with, then do you not think it may be time to panic? And considering Charlton had list 7 of their last 8, how is us drawing with them a good result? Just because you don't agree with what is said does not mean it is mindless drivel or inarticulate. I really hope I don't have to, but I will continue to bump this thread after every game we don't win, just to show you this isn't drivel. The stats without Lallana are misleading, as the majority of games he missed came when we were rudderless under Wilkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2011 So we shouldn't be beating teams low on confidence? How do you account for us hammering the Posh earlier this season? Should we have drawn that game? Charlton ate currently appalling. We should have beaten them. Guess we need to wait until the end of the season and debate it then! I think we will get second place, but it will be rocky, pressure does that to you! it will also get to other teams as well.....Boro losing Tues, Hudders drawing against Swindon! Its the nature of the beast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 (edited) Have woken up this morning still thinking that was a good point last night all told, it might be invaluable at end of season! Moreso, if you consider we lost Adam our driving force in the first half and Alex our creative spark! None of this stopped the slit your wrists brigade though last night, not quite sure who they support any more, it certainly isnt saints!! Can't we have a 'slit your wrists' after match thread for the doom mongerers who will only be happy when they can bleat 'I told u so' at end of season and a normal thread for the reasoned supporters to debate the game in an rational and articulate fashion! We might avoid the mindless drivel and ensuing abuse thisay, and they can all revel in their misery together!!!!! Personally I thought point wasn't great against a team on a who have failed to win in something like 9 game. On the other hand an away point isn't awful. The thing I find most annoying isn't the wrist slashers, I get were they're coming from, but the sanctimonious everything is great all the time brigade. Who leap about telling everybody else how they must feel after every match. Sometimes just sometimes after a poor result I feel ****ed off, I'm not the only one I'm sure. So having someone trying to tell that saints are amazing and were great when it was clear they weren't ****es me off no end, just as much as someone finding loads of faults after saints beat someone 4-0. Edited 23 March, 2011 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Please can we change the thread title to something more generic so it covers all of us with suicide tendencies? I, for example, took a lethal overdose whilst listening to Chris de Burgh albums on repeat. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Its not us against you, we are a team! But you've started a thread trying to drive a stake between the clappies and the pessimists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Please can we change the thread title to something more generic so it covers all of us with suicide tendencies? I, for example, took a lethal overdose whilst listening to Chris de Burgh albums on repeat. Thanks Lady in Red will do that to you. Borderline is a good song though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 '...so much anger...tell me about your mother' Serious psychological help needed for some I think. Sure a downer conceding late on, with injuries to Lallana and Oxo... but FFS, did anyone REALLY think this was ever going to be easy? Jeez this is what makes the game so fecking entertaining/frustrating/interesting... get back on the fecking BUS! COYRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 If you consider we average 0.7 points a game without Lallana, nearly 2.3 with, then do you not think it may be time to panic? And considering Charlton had list 7 of their last 8, how is us drawing with them a good result? Just because you don't agree with what is said does not mean it is mindless drivel or inarticulate. I really hope I don't have to, but I will continue to bump this thread after every game we don't win, just to show you this isn't drivel. NO! Panic never gets results. It MIGHT be the time to act quickly, to establish what the "damage" & act it might even be time to bring in cover just in case .. but Panic .. no thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 How anyone can think a draw against a team which had lost at home to Brentford, Carlise and Exeter in recent weeks, has lost 7 of their last 8 and were shocking for 80 minutes of the game is beyond me. We had a great opportunity to stamp our mark on automatic promotion against a team on a terrible run and low on confidence and threw it away. Teams that win things win games like last night, even not at their best they close the game out and dont conceded late goals, just look at how many away games Brighton have won 1-0 recently for proof of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 How anyone can think a draw against a team which had lost at home to Brentford, Carlise and Exeter in recent weeks, has lost 7 of their last 8 and were shocking for 80 minutes of the game is beyond me. We had a great opportunity to stamp our mark on automatic promotion against a team on a terrible run and low on confidence and threw it away. Teams that win things win games like last night, even not at their best they close the game out and dont conceded late goals, just look at how many away games Brighton have won 1-0 recently for proof of this. Previous results mean nothing towards the outcome when the play us. Charlton have good players in that team but have underperformed massively for some reason, so they were always going to be a threat as such. P'Boro lost 3-2 there a few weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Previous results mean nothing towards the outcome when the play us. Charlton have good players in that team but have underperformed massively for some reason, so they were always going to be a threat as such. P'Boro lost 3-2 there a few weeks ago. So by that logic Manchester United wouldn't expect to beat Wigan because previous results and form mean nothing, Wigan have a couple of good players and Arsenal drew their earlier in the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 haven't looked at the post-match thread as I can imagine the content. It was dropped points and a missed opportunity BUT let's not forget Walsall and Tranmere, they were woeful in the build up and decided to raise their game for us. We suffered major injury blows last night and still came through in control of our own destiny. Not happy, but not suicidal. Bottom line for me is Nige knows this league better than us, he wasn't in a panic when he saw Huddersfield, Bmouth and PBoro on amazing runs, he knew they had to blow up, and concentrated on keeping us on track. He now needs to make sure we get the bus of diamonds rowing back in the correct direction, and as a bonus that multi-talented Plymouth squad have kindly arranged us a much-needed rest period before the final assault. The current run ending with an away draw is a major disappointment? We must be making progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 How anyone can think a draw against a team which had lost at home to Brentford, Carlise and Exeter in recent weeks, has lost 7 of their last 8 and were shocking for 80 minutes of the game is beyond me. We had a great opportunity to stamp our mark on automatic promotion against a team on a terrible run and low on confidence and threw it away. Teams that win things win games like last night, even not at their best they close the game out and dont conceded late goals, just look at how many away games Brighton have won 1-0 recently for proof of this. They have also lost at Hartlepool and drew with someone else...not saying that we'll catch them but of all the five below them whose boots would you prefer to be in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Personally I thought point wasn't great against a team on a who have failed to win in something like 9 game. On the other hand an away point isn't awful. The thing I find most annoying isn't the wrist slashers, I get were they're coming from, but the sanctimonious everything is great all the time brigade. Who leap about telling everybody else how they must feel after every match. Sometimes just sometimes after a poor result I feel ****ed off, I'm not the only one I'm sure. So having someone trying to tell that saints are amazing and were great when it was clear they weren't ****es me off no end, just as much as someone finding loads of faults after saints beat someone 4-0. ...and then they post meaningless stats just to tell you how righteous their happiness is and how foolish your frustration is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 They have also lost at Hartlepool and drew with someone else...not saying that we'll catch them but of all the five below them whose boots would you prefer to be in? They may have had the odd slip up here and there which happens but not many. Only 5 losses this season, none of them at home. I'd swap our point at Hartlepool for the rest of their results wouldn't you? What about us? Wallsall, Tranmere, Brentford, Charlton, Plymouth, Swindon, Yeovil, Peterborough all games we should and could have won but didn't, all put down to one of those days. I dont expect us to win every game, Huddersfield for example i except was a tough game and we were beaten by a better side on the day. If you are happy to be the best of the rest then you carry on, personally i expect a bit more from the side than that. Second place is still in our hands, but it would have been a whole lot more straightforward if we had beaten the team Dagenham and Redbridge beat on saturday and 8 of their previous 9 opponents had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Jeez this is what makes the game so fecking entertaining/frustrating/interesting... It's the Brighton fans I feel sorry for.....poor devils must be bored out of their minds.... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 They may have had the odd slip up here and there which happens but not many. Only 5 losses this season, none of them at home. I'd swap our point at Hartlepool for the rest of their results wouldn't you? What about us? Wallsall, Tranmere, Brentford, Charlton, Plymouth, Swindon, Yeovil, Peterborough all games we should and could have won but didn't, all put down to one of those days. I dont expect us to win every game, Huddersfield for example i except was a tough game and we were beaten by a better side on the day. If you are happy to be the best of the rest then you carry on, personally i expect a bit more from the side than that. Second place is still in our hands, but it would have been a whole lot more straightforward if we had beaten the team Dagenham and Redbridge beat on saturday and 8 of their previous 9 opponents had. 'not saying that we'll catch them but of all the five below them whose boots would you prefer to be in?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 'not saying that we'll catch them but of all the five below them whose boots would you prefer to be in?' We are still in the driving seat but given everyone was so delighted with a point away at Charlton and our other games in hand are away at Rochdale, who are better than Charlton and then at home to Charlton, who some seem to think have suddenly started playing well again, what is the best we can hope for from these games? 2 points, 3 tops i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 We are still in the driving seat but given everyone was so delighted with a point away at Charlton and our other games in hand are away at Rochdale, who are better than Charlton and then at home to Charlton, who some seem to think have suddenly started playing well again, what is the best we can hope for from these games? 2 points, 3 tops i guess. I wasn't one (if there were any) who was delighted with a point last night - I saw it as two points dropped in the circumstances. We do, however, have 30 points to play for as against 24 or 27. My point on Hartlepool is that no matter how consistent you have been there are no easy games and teams that have been low in confidence, playing cr*p or whatever are still capable of beating form teams particularly if they are seen as a 'scalp'...we, in the past, have been the ultimate raisers of our game against the 'bigger' clubs so it shouldn't be a surprise when it happens in reverse. It will happen to all those around us in the run in as well. The bottom line is that we are third, have games in hand over our immediate competition for second place and a goal difference that is worth a point over all but the (probably uncatchable) leaders. I've supported Saints for 50 years and know the mantra but the other sets of fans have more to concern them...or as much as we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 They may have had the odd slip up here and there which happens but not many. Only 5 losses this season, none of them at home. I'd swap our point at Hartlepool for the rest of their results wouldn't you? What about us? Wallsall, Tranmere, Brentford, Charlton, Plymouth, Swindon, Yeovil, Peterborough all games we should and could have won but didn't, all put down to one of those days. I dont expect us to win every game, Huddersfield for example i except was a tough game and we were beaten by a better side on the day. If you are happy to be the best of the rest then you carry on, personally i expect a bit more from the side than that. Second place is still in our hands, but it would have been a whole lot more straightforward if we had beaten the team Dagenham and Redbridge beat on saturday and 8 of their previous 9 opponents had. Post of the day. Seriously warming to you, Turkish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 'not saying that we'll catch them but of all the five below them whose boots would you prefer to be in?' I thought the only metric that mattered was being in 2nd place. Not the respect and envy of a bunch of Third Division Neanderthals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Of course, you happy-clappers will be so magnanimous and not be abusive or say "I told you so" if we get promoted, right ? Most of us (everyone who isn't you, as opposed to happy-clappers) will be too busy enjoying promotion to be bothered to point out we were right all along. Meanwhile, you'll disappear for a week to avoid the perfectly reasonable illustration from the 90% of posters you've conflicted with that you were talking a load of nonsense, and then reappear on here around June 1st to antagonise people who are happy with what Saints have done, to complain about lack of ambition, not making enough signings and not having enough players with Championship experience. Saves us all bothering now, I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 (edited) Most of us (everyone who isn't you, as opposed to happy-clappers) will be too busy enjoying promotion to be bothered to point out we were right all along. Meanwhile, you'll disappear for a week to avoid the perfectly reasonable illustration from the 90% of posters you've conflicted with that you were talking a load of nonsense, and then reappear on here around June 1st to antagonise people who are happy with what Saints have done, to complain about lack of ambition, not making enough signings and not having enough players with Championship experience. Saves us all bothering now, I hope. Of course you will. That's why some of the most agressive abuse I receive on here is after we have WON, isnt it ? Including texts to Solent. Get this through your thick cranium - I will be DELIGHTED to be proven to have written nonsense this season, and that we go up. You may belittle my attendance along with everyone else, but I was bang on the money about Burley and the Dutch golden duo, and one of the first to point out the problems. The abuse, however, has stayed EXACTLY the same. EDIT : Oh, and yes, if we get promoted, I WILL be pushing for the pre-season (especially transfer activity) to start ASAP / PDQ. Getting there is one thing, staying there or going up again is something entirely different. At least there is none of this b*ll*cksy World Cup excuse-making this summer. Edited 23 March, 2011 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 While I do not intend to slit my wrists I do not see how anyone can think a point is anywhere near good enough against one of the poorest performing teams in the league. 'Shocking' performances according to those there just will not do at this stage of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 While I do not intend to slit my wrists I do not see how anyone can think a point is anywhere near good enough against one of the poorest performing teams in the league. 'Shocking' performances according to those there just will not do at this stage of the season. No, no, you are a negative tw*t need Prozac for saying so. We got a point, its all we should have dared hope for, donchyaknow ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I thought the only metric that mattered was being in 2nd place. Not the respect and envy of a bunch of Third Division Neanderthals. Would you care to put that in to a context that makes sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 (edited) Two of our best players went off injured and we got a point, could be priceless! Why would anyone gloat if we get promoted, I will be looking at strengthening the team and looking forward! Its not us against you, we are a team! Whilst I don't agree with Alpine as he has no sense of perspective (haven't we been here before this season?). It was a great opportunity to take control and seize second place. Yes, it was unfortunate about the injuries but we have a squad, with N'Guessen and Forte who can provide similar roles. Charlton were in bad form and I thought it bad not to take advantage, however, second is still achievable and they BL00DY well should do it! Edited 23 March, 2011 by Doctoroncall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 A month ago had I been offered 7 points from Colchester, Boscombe and Charlton away, I'd have taken it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 A month ago had I been offered 7 points from Colchester, Boscombe and Charlton away, I'd have taken it. A month ago if someone had told me that £20m worth of talent could not beat a team dicked by Dagenham and bleeding Redbridge, I would have sent them along to see my shrink for a quick course of electrocution and a warning to lay off the wacky backy... Having enjoyed the company of Charlton fans before and after the game, in their view, we are a worse footballing side than just about any of the top half of the table... And we were. Awful. People claim Pardew was a hoof merchant but all we did all bloody game was gave me a stiff neck. And frankly, I could just suck Viagra for that. All I can say about last night is that I would rather I'd stayed in the Bugle Horn with a jug of Bombadier!!! Even flat it had more fizz than our woeful excuse of a midfield. What is wrong with Chaplow? Has he been hypnotised by that bloke who went on Top Gear and made Hammond forget how to drive a car? And if Nguessan can play for Southampton, I can play the Black Swan for the Bolshoi.... Jesus. I'm an eternal optimist but that in a word, was pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Take Brighton out of the equation, they have this league sown up now (i believe) and show no signs of pressure. All the other teams in the mix are showing signs of pressure, it's not going to be smooth like we would like, but i do believe we will get over the line into 2nd place as we have just a bit more overall than the teams around us Actually one side is showing no signs of pressure - last three away games against three of the better sides in the division 7 points; last 2 at home 6 points. No prizes for guessing but it certainly aint Posh. They looked stressed to hell on Monday and that CMS couldn't hit a barn door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 CMS was poor (by his standards) on Monday - hope it will continue! Missed few chances and was bit of headless chicken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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