Crab Lungs Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 ... as I said previous on another thread a while go and after revisiting a similar conversation with my dad, it's a travesty that Lallana didn't go. I'm sorry, you can put as many £20m-rated water carriers in your midfield as you want, but apart from maybe Lansbury, no-one in that midfield has what Lallana has. Henderson, Rodwell, Mancienne, Rose, Muamba, Cleverley, Cork... are they better players than Lallana? Will they score 10-20 goals a season from midfield, plus assists? Sure they nudge the ball around sideways and backwards and some of them can run quite fast or put in a good shift, but very few, if any of them have anything dynamism or true ability to turn a game... and before anyone says "Oh, but Lallana hasn't done it in the Premier League" - no, he hasn't (yet) but that's irrelevant. We've all seen he has the ability of a Premier League footballer, anyway. So many ten-a-penny nurdlers and nudgers touted as footballing superheroes these days when in reality, they are solid but unspectacular. Pearce absolutely missed a trick. Ah well, at least he's getting a rest instead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 cleverley does what lallana does...in the premier league...sorry crabby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 I'm a big fan of AL but he was that good he'd be playing PL football now. Hopefully he'll prove me wrong by ripping it up with Saints if we get there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 The problem Crabby I'm afriad mate is the shear amount of quality players, eligible for the U21's tournament and who were offered a place that pulled out. I agree it is a travesty that a player such as Lallana was not picked in his place, but it shows the disrespect and disenchantement that our own english boys have with the english national team. Its all just money and fame. Thats what is killing the english game, and TBH until the FA is stripped of fat cats and renewed by footballing people that is the way we will go, I no longer give a f*ck about england and the players that try and portray it. Jesus christ I would give anything to pull on those 3 lions, all of us probably would, even 1 cap for the U21's even U19's. It means nothing to them, and so for I couldn't care less, F*ck off Rooney et all, F*ck off Capello the fake messiah, f*ck off 3 lions. Wilshere summed it up, saying how tired he was for an U21 campaign and then marauding around the pitch against the swiss. These tournaments are were most big european teams blood their lads, build their experience, build a team. We are all just about sponsorship, greed and money. At least Lallana wants it I suppose. Though rant over and back on topic, I do believe Lallana is severely underrated, but then that is to do with the division we have been in for 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Goal was offside, but who gives a ****!? Good result, even celebrated the equaliser as if it was an England first team goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 tbf theirs was handball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 12 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 June, 2011 cleverley does what lallana does...in the premier league...sorry crabby Noooooooooooooooooo way is Cleverley of the same calibre as Lallana. The thing is, there is not one player in that midfield, defence or attack-minded, that can really turn a game. For example, if you took Lallana out of our Saints side and swap him with any of those in the squad, would we have improved as a side? IMO, absolutely not. Do I think Cleverley has better technique, skill or ability than Lallana? Definitely not. Do I think Lallana could do everything he's done in the PL and MORE? Absolutely yes! It's a shame Lallana and Wilshere aren't both there actually as it would have been great to have seen them link up together, whilst the rest of the nurdlers fart-arse with the ball in their own half going backwards and sideways. I guess it's not their fault their technically not as good, though. At least that's getting resolved now, though it's probably going to take at least another 10-15 years for it to truly bear fruit. Pleased with a draw, but we should have been trounced, such was the gulf in class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 crabby, you are over egging a player who has excellent in division 3 in a top side against a player who has done well in the prem in a ****e side.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 12 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 June, 2011 crabby, you are over egging a player who has excellent in division 3 in a top side against a player who has done well in the prem in a ****e side.. I think, if you look beyond whom their opposition for a moment and have a look at them as players, ability-wise. I think Lallana has far more ability than most of those midfielders and could have provided something that none of them will during this tournament; Also, it may seem like over-egging but I think we're truly know how good Lallana is when we've seen him in the Prem. FWIW, I don't think he'll disappoint (obviously!). And we'll also truly understand just how good he is when he's left us and we replaced him with a nurdler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 I think, if you look beyond whom their opposition for a moment and have a look at them as players, ability-wise. I think Lallana has far more ability than most of those midfielders and could have provided something that none of them will during this tournament; Also, it may seem like over-egging but I think we're truly know how good Lallana is when we've seen him in the Prem. FWIW, I don't think he'll disappoint (obviously!). And we'll also truly understand just how good he is when he's left us and we replaced him with a nurdler im no doubting lallana is great for us..but will reserve judgement until he is a standout player in the NPC..much like lansbury, sinclair etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 12 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 June, 2011 im no doubting lallana is great for us..but will reserve judgement until he is a standout player in the NPC..much like lansbury, sinclair etc That's fair enough. I think we'll see that next year from AL, who has now had 2 L1 campaigns behind him since he was last involved in the NPC. We'll see, I guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 That's fair enough. I think we'll see that next year from AL, who has now had 2 L1 campaigns behind him since he was last involved in the NPC. We'll see, I guess! I think he will shine too...but until then, (same with oxo) i think it is a bit hasty to say he is as good as many of the u21 team he is older than all of them and some of them have really stood out in the league we are about to be in or played against some of the best players in the world..and done well but like I said..i fully expect lallana to be one of those players the opposition dread.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 15 June, 2011 Share Posted 15 June, 2011 Just watching the game now. We are absolutely rubbish. International football in this country is very dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 June, 2011 Share Posted 15 June, 2011 Pearce has named a side with 3 defensively minded midfielders in it, its all well and good playing with 3 strikers/wingers but he has to get the ball to them. Henderson is trying to get up the pitch with the ball, otherwise they seem to be relying on Walker. IMO he needs to put on a forward that can hold the ball up and play off him. But yes, International football is sh*te, and will be until we get football people into the FA and stop thinking of the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 15 June, 2011 Share Posted 15 June, 2011 Can't play with 3 defensively minded central midfielders. I would start the next game with Rodwell Henderson and Lansbury in the middle. Although saying that Henderson hasn't done anything. Rose has been poor wide left too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 15 June, 2011 Share Posted 15 June, 2011 Henderson is so overrated. £20million? Do me a favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 15 June, 2011 Share Posted 15 June, 2011 Saw Rose it the under 21 gaMe at st Marys. He was awful despite scoring a cracking goal. It staggers me that he is in the squad oVer lallana. I know he is a spurs player, but he is a reserve plaYer. Lallana Has played most Of his football in the third division but he has at least played first team football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 June, 2011 Share Posted 16 June, 2011 English footballers are way over hyped and over prices Are you telling me OxO should cost more than Van Der Vaart? Henderson and jones have cost more than Van Der vaart Modric Samba Combinedv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 June, 2011 Share Posted 16 June, 2011 Saw Rose it the under 21 gaMe at st Marys. He was awful despite scoring a cracking goal. It staggers me that he is in the squad oVer lallana. I know he is a spurs player, but he is a reserve plaYer. Lallana Has played most Of his football in the third division but he has at least played first team football. Playing in lower divisions is very damaging to a player's international career,look at the attitude Mombaerts took with Morgan,he'd rather play a player of inferior quality which eventually cost them Euro U21 qualification than have anything to do with an awful standard of football. International coaches have no time for that standard of football. Any promising player in a League 1 club should fall over himself to leave it unless that club has genuine progression possibilities. Next season we shall see just how good all of our players really are, many will fall by the wayside I fear.My hot picks for abject failure in the NPC, Dickson,Lambert and Barnard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 16 June, 2011 Share Posted 16 June, 2011 England just seem to be behind the times in the way to play. Spain play the Barca way, and is it any surprise Barca are European Champions, Spain are World Cup and European Cup holders and their under 21's look well on their way to winning the Euro's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 June, 2011 Share Posted 16 June, 2011 England just seem to be behind the times in the way to play. Spain play the Barca way, and is it any surprise Barca are European Champions, Spain are World Cup and European Cup holders and their under 21's look well on their way to winning the Euro's. What do you expect? have you never noticed the reaction on this forum to passing the ball around and keeping possession until you can burst forward even it means going sideways and backwards as well? Yer average English fan's idea of a good footballer is a 5ft 3 in central midfield player who alternates between kicking the shîte out of the opposition,shouting idiotic commands at his team mates,bursting forward into the opponents box and then losing the ball to set up a goal for the opponents and arguing with the ref. It's no wonder that Wenger didn't want Wilshere involved, he doesn't want him anywhere near Stuart Pearce football. Mancienne in CM? yer having a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 June, 2011 Share Posted 16 June, 2011 What do you expect? have you never noticed the reaction on this forum to passing the ball around and keeping possession until you can burst forward even it means going sideways and backwards as well? Yer average English fan's idea of a good footballer is a 5ft 3 in central midfield player who alternates between kicking the shîte out of the opposition,shouting idiotic commands at his team mates,bursting forward into the opponents box and then losing the ball to set up a goal for the opponents and arguing with the ref. It's no wonder that Wenger didn't want Wilshere involved, he doesn't want him anywhere near Stuart Pearce football. Mancienne in CM? yer having a laugh. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 16 June, 2011 Share Posted 16 June, 2011 The players are not the problem. Stuart Pearce is. How the hell did this guy get such international esteem after his time at Manchester City, when he blunted Keegans attacking side with unrelenting negativism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 16 June, 2011 Share Posted 16 June, 2011 Agreed, Pearce is awful. His tactics and team selection aRe appalling. If we haVe no better young coaching talent we aRe in deep troubLe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 17 June, 2011 Share Posted 17 June, 2011 pearce is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 June, 2011 Share Posted 17 June, 2011 The players are not the problem. Stuart Pearce is. How the hell did this guy get such international esteem after his time at Manchester City, when he blunted Keegans attacking side with unrelenting negativism. pearce is the problem capello is the problem sven is the problem the FA are the problem maybe, our very expensive english players are not as good as we keep saying they are..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 What do you expect? have you never noticed the reaction on this forum to passing the ball around and keeping possession until you can burst forward even it means going sideways and backwards as well? The same thing happens with the crowd at St Marys. We have the ball, pass it around neatly, force the opposition to chase shadows ...and then our own fans start booing and shouting "get rid of it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 the same thing happens with the crowd at st marys. We have the ball, pass it around neatly, force the opposition to chase shadows ...and then our own fans start booing and shouting "get rid of it". q.e.d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 pearce is the problem capello is the problem sven is the problem the FA are the problem maybe, our very expensive english players are not as good as we keep saying they are..? Or may be it's just the average fan's attitude to constructive,possession football that's the problem. He always wants his team to be bursting forward and huffing and puffing,"the doer and the thinker, no allowance for the other" as my friend Ian once said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 well...england are out..thanks to tomas pekhart of all people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 Well well Stuart. Boring, uninspiring and toothless. Isn't it obvious that after two games of the defensive crap, each using the same subs etc that it just wasn't working ?? I understand what you are saying Window but the best teams play possession and control the game, probing for an oppurtunity and moving forward with creative, attacking momentum when required. England U21's have been playing possession as thats all they can do. Defensively we look pretty solid. Welbeck and Sturridge look as though they could make decent strikers, then there is the Midfield. Oh christ. I though Muamba was highly thought of ? He was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 we cant keep blaming the managers..we have to accept that we way over hype MANY of the players..I said it before...when henderson costs as much as (almost) van der vaart and Modric cost spurs, you know something is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 we cant keep blaming the managers..we have to accept that we way over hype MANY of the players..I said it before...when henderson costs as much as (almost) van der vaart and Modric cost spurs, you know something is wrong True, but every country will hype their own players up much more then other countries. Also, with the fact that Fifa are trying to force regulations as to how many foriegn players clubs can have then the better and higher potential young talent will cost more. Henderson will be a good player, in fact most of these players will become good players. You can't always blame the manager, but Pearces negative tactics have cost us dearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 Fear....we just don't have the players who seem to want to take a risk. It;s knocked out of the kids now, they are being coached to play it safe. Hence, what we witnessed this week, it was terrible. I realise that taking risks, carries more potential problems but I tend to believe that if you go for it, most times, you reap what you sow. They go backwards and sideways with the ball, it's like they are scared of losing possession, so work on the basis that 'If we don't lose the ball, we can't lose' - that's a terrible way to condition the players. I say let them express themselves, go for it, make a mistake and learn from that mistake. All the best players are risk-takers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 19 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 19 June, 2011 As I said before, the only midfielder(s) of any merit were stuck on the bench for most of the tournament and the most creative player in England's locker aside from Wilshere was left out of Pearce's squad as he put his faith in the talentless nudgers and nurdlers of the Prem. Oh well, at least it means Lallana wasn't scouted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 As I said before, the only midfielder(s) of any merit were stuck on the bench for most of the tournament and the most creative player in England's locker aside from Wilshere was left out of Pearce's squad as he put his faith in the talentless nudgers and nurdlers of the Prem. Oh well, at least it means Lallana wasn't scouted. to be fair...cleverly does what lallana does in the premier league believe it or not. we simply do not have the best players around.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2011 to be fair...cleverly does what lallana does in the premier league believe it or not. we simply do not have the best players around.... I know you said that before and I know I've said this before, but... Cleverley is not in the same league talent-wise as Lallana. I'm aware we don't have the best players around but I think you're underrated them in comparison to other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilza Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 IMO from a young age now, kids are coached to win, not coached to pass the ball and move. If you can pass the ball, confidently, winning will come easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I know you said that before and I know I've said this before, but... Cleverley is not in the same league talent-wise as Lallana. I'm aware we don't have the best players around but I think you're underrated them in comparison to other players. just dont know how you can say he is no where as good as lallana.. cleverly is a very good player in the premier league...lallana is yet to show he can be as good in the NPC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Has anyone been watching any of the other games? I know Saints had/have a scout out there. Wonder if anyone else has caught your eye while watching? (apart from the spanish team!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 25 June, 2011 Share Posted 25 June, 2011 Shaqiri has been player of the tournament for me. Belarus are incredibly organised as a team too. Anyway just been showed this, which i think sums up everything wrong with English football and it's mentality. Coach sets up a two-touch game on a small pitch, so what do england U-21's do? take a touch and shoot, basically. quite sad. One good goal at the start, the rest is just long range shooting and lobbing it into the box. http://www.thefa.com/video/England/Mens ... ---10-June Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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