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Secret Site Agent

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This is a question that I hope will enstill lively debate.

 

Quite simply, Do you hate Lowe and Wilde More than you love the club?

 

Do you think that those that stay away because they hate the above are not true fans or are sticking to their convictions and are demonstrating the only way they know how?

 

And here is the emotive question.

 

If stay away fans are not classes as true fans, should they go and support someone else, (and into the bargain find that the grass is not always greener) or are they still true fans in their hearts, and they should be allowed to stay away and not be rediculed for doing this.

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For me hate is to strong a word, I do not like or trust the pair of them. But as and when there is a much better option I want them gone, that said I would not let my feelings for them get in the way of my love for Saints or going to SMS.

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Scudamore

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Should they go and support someone else then, in your opinion?

 

It's not my or anyone elses place to tell them how they should live their lives...or who they should support...

 

If somebody wants to support another team then that's up to them...

 

My opinion on such deserters however is pretty firm...they are weaklings...and probably not to be trusted...

 

That does not apply to people staying away this season for whatever reason...as they may well be back...and just because they're not choosing to spend their money going to Saints games at the moment does not mean they are deserters...

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Scudamore

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These threads seem to appear on a daily basis.

 

What is the point?

 

You don't like the stayaways Scudamore, and laughably call them weaklings. Your opinion, point taken.

 

Er no. Have another read. My point is people who choose to support another club are deserters, weakling and untrustworthy.

 

Definitely not the stayaway fans...

 

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This is a question that I hope will enstill lively debate.

 

Quite simply, Do you hate Lowe and Wilde More than you love the club?

 

Do you think that those that stay away because they hate the above are not true fans or are sticking to their convictions and are demonstrating the only way they know how?

 

And here is the emotive question.

 

If stay away fans are not classes as true fans, should they go and support someone else, (and into the bargain find that the grass is not always greener) or are they still true fans in their hearts, and they should be allowed to stay away and not be rediculed for doing this.

 

Yes I hate Lowe & Wilde...Yes it means I attend less games than I used to BUT why should stay away fans have to support another club? They are fans of Southampotn football Club not Lowe & Wilde. We didn't ask Lowe & Wilde to take over our club. Southampton FC was around a long time before those two flumps & will be around a lot longer after they are gone.

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This is a question that I hope will enstill lively debate.

 

Quite simply, Do you hate Lowe and Wilde More than you love the club?

 

Do you think that those that stay away because they hate the above are not true fans or are sticking to their convictions and are demonstrating the only way they know how?

 

And here is the emotive question.

 

If stay away fans are not classes as true fans, should they go and support someone else, (and into the bargain find that the grass is not always greener) or are they still true fans in their hearts, and they should be allowed to stay away and not be rediculed for doing this.

 

this a question ya hope will start forum fighting more like ;)

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SaintRobbie

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I love Saints with a passion and therefore despise the two biggest pariahs in the clubs history with an equal passion.

 

Sums up the general feeling I suspect. I am with that line.

 

Its a catch 22 - stay away because you hate Lowe or come to support the team. The sway towards staying away for me however is just stronger as until both Lowe and Wilde leave the club will never have the optimism to move onwards.

 

Unfortunately the only thing Wilde and Lowe understand is if their business is failing because people are staying away because of them - there boardmembers and shareholders will eventually have no choice but to remove them or at least pressure them to step down.

 

So, roll on the takeover or roll on the revolution.

 

Lowe and Wilde wont be here forever, keep your money in the bank and when they go pump it all back into the club :) When they go I will be buying shirts, merchandise and Season Tickets once more and will even more vigour.

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Daren W

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This is a question that I hope will enstill lively debate.

 

Quite simply, Do you hate Lowe and Wilde More than you love the club?

 

Do you think that those that stay away because they hate the above are not true fans or are sticking to their convictions and are demonstrating the only way they know how?

 

And here is the emotive question.

 

If stay away fans are not classes as true fans, should they go and support someone else, (and into the bargain find that the grass is not always greener) or are they still true fans in their hearts, and they should be allowed to stay away and not be rediculed for doing this.

 

You've got to just love threads like this. In one fail swoop they're saying, let's have your opinion but it's asking for your opinion in the most one sided possible way.

 

In other words, if you stay away from St Marys, you're not a true fan and should go and support some one else. Why on earth would anyone go and watch another team? That argument is just plain ridiculous. There are certainly fans who've just supported Saints through the good times and just don't fancy watching Championship football but we've lost them anyway, we lost them the day the first Championship season started.

 

It's not news...

 

There does seem to be a lot assumptions being made here. If you've fallen out of love with the club you're a bad person and off to watch Arsenal or Chelsea. Not one person seems to be asking why they've fallen out of love with the club and tried to fix that. To me this club is still the same arrogant, distant, unfeeling organisation that I've seen in place the moment we moved into St Marys.

 

You became a number the day the St Marys turnstiles opened and there's been that feeling that they don't care if they lose your custom as they obviously feel that someone else will take your place and recent years attendances tell you that is most certainly not the case.

 

Now before Sundance comes on here and starts his usual snipes about me waging some no existent war against the club, I've been feeling that the club doesn't care for ages now. Forget my personal views and ask yourself do you really think the club values you and your support? Or do you turn up each week, pay good money and yet get treated like a number and bossed around as if you were cattle? Are you happy to pay top money and be treated like that?

To me they took away all the good parts of football, the passion, the standing, the emotion, the freedom of thought and kept all the bad bits, such as severe stewarding and policing and slapped a huge pay tag on it. Seriously ask yourself, would go to the theatre and expect to be spoken to the way some (some!) stewards and police talk to you??? Whatever happened to customer service? People are staying away because football just isn't FUN anymore...

 

Forget trying to blame fans for staying away and ask yourself why anyone would stay away from a product they love. That's it, it's a product, it became a product the day Sky took over the game and turned football into I'm an Xfactor celebrity dancing on ice in a football academy, get me a fat contract and loads of money and get out of here.

 

Blaming the fans for years of mismanagement is just pathetic. We're in dire straights because One chairman got us relegated through numerous managers and incompetence and the other usurped him without even a plan A let alone a plan B and then proceded to bugger off home to jersey and pretend he had no part to play in our continuing decline.

 

In short, I don't care if people think stayaway fans are this or that. They're staying away for a reason, debate that rather than the sad fact that people are staying away in their droves....

 

I still go, but I didn't renew my season ticket as i don't feel the club deserves all my money in advance...

 

Now it's up to them to make me change my mind, not on the pitch but off it....

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You've got to just love threads like this. In one fail swoop they're saying, let's have your opinion but it's asking for your opinion in the most one sided possible way.

 

In other words, if you stay away from St Marys, you're not a true fan and should go and support some one else. Why on earth would anyone go and watch another team? That argument is just plain ridiculous. There are certainly fans who've just supported Saints through the good times and just don't fancy watching Championship football but we've lost them anyway, we lost them the day the first Championship season started.

 

It's not news...

 

There does seem to be a lot assumptions being made here. If you've fallen out of love with the club you're a bad person and off to watch Arsenal or Chelsea. Not one person seems to be asking why they've fallen out of love with the club and tried to fix that. To me this club is still the same arrogant, distant, unfeeling organisation that I've seen in place the moment we moved into St Marys.

 

You became a number the day the St Marys turnstiles opened and there's been that feeling that they don't care if they lose your custom as they obviously feel that someone else will take your place and recent years attendances tell you that is most certainly not the case.

 

Now before Sundance comes on here and starts his usual snipes about me waging some no existent war against the club, I've been feeling that the club doesn't care for ages now. Forget my personal views and ask yourself do you really think the club values you and your support? Or do you turn up each week, pay good money and yet get treated like a number and bossed around as if you were cattle? Are you happy to pay top money and be treated like that?

To me they took away all the good parts of football, the passion, the standing, the emotion, the freedom of thought and kept all the bad bits, such as severe stewarding and policing and slapped a huge pay tag on it. Seriously ask yourself, would go to the theatre and expect to be spoken to the way some (some!) stewards and police talk to you??? Whatever happened to customer service? People are staying away because football just isn't FUN anymore...

 

Forget trying to blame fans for staying away and ask yourself why anyone would stay away from a product they love. That's it, it's a product, it became a product the day Sky took over the game and turned football into I'm an Xfactor celebrity dancing on ice in a football academy, get me a fat contract and loads of money and get out of here.

 

Blaming the fans for years of mismanagement is just pathetic. We're in dire straights because One chairman got us relegated through numerous managers and incompetence and the other usurped him without even a plan A let alone a plan B and then proceded to bugger off home to jersey and pretend he had no part to play in our continuing decline.

 

In short, I don't care if people think stayaway fans are this or that. They're staying away for a reason, debate that rather than the sad fact that people are staying away in their droves....

 

I still go, but I didn't renew my season ticket as i don't feel the club deserves all my money in advance...

 

Now it's up to them to make me change my mind, not on the pitch but off it....

 

Excellent stuff as usual Daren.

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I always find this hating someone you have never even meet most strange. Still it seems that more and more people are interested in what goes on behind the scenes rather than what happens on the pitch (didn't these forums used to be places where people came to exhcnage views on football?) but maybe that is a sign of the times?

 

If, by some miracle, we made it to Wembley this year, I wonder how many people who are boycotting the club because of certain people would stay away? No doubt those same people we all cheering along at Cardiff mind you!

 

We could well end the season mid tbale and stave off aministration, in which case I would say that the people running the club had done well. But still the Usual Suspects will be venting their "hate" propaganda on here.

 

Most strange...

 

We have shown some better form of late and there are real signs that we are turning things around on the pitch..shame that isn't the most important thing on some people's minds when they log on here.

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I always find this hating someone you have never even meet most strange. Still it seems that more and more people are interested in what goes on behind the scenes rather than what happens on the pitch (didn't these forums used to be places where people came to exhcnage views on football?) but maybe that is a sign of the times?

 

If, by some miracle, we made it to Wembley this year, I wonder how many people who are boycotting the club because of certain people would stay away? No doubt those same people we all cheering along at Cardiff mind you!

 

We could well end the season mid tbale and stave off aministration, in which case I would say that the people running the club had done well. But still the Usual Suspects will be venting their "hate" propaganda on here.

 

Most strange...

 

We have shown some better form of late and there are real signs that we are turning things around on the pitch..shame that isn't the most important thing on some people's minds when they log on here.

 

A truly hillarious post from one of the small group of "fans" who started the biiitch-fest about Mike Wilde before he had even stepped foot in the boardroom a few years ago.

 

Really, some people on here are completely lacking self-awareness in their desperate desire to suck up to Lowe.

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I always find this hating someone you have never even meet most strange.

 

And as this thread and many other posts have shown, very few people "hate" Lowe and Wilde.

 

Of course many may have issues with their managerial style, their decisions and the way they conduct themselves and their business, but sadly that is something that people like you find hard to understand (some of course may hate those actions - and the outcomes -, but that is different to hating the individual, something which is obviously a bit tough for you to comprehend).

 

It's just easier to think that people hate Lowe and Wilde, and that hate is driven by ruddy cheeks/duck shooting/tax dodging/being a scouser/liking hockey/investing in a hotel/being snobby (delete as applicable).

 

Posts like yours (and the OP) say so much more about you, than any of replies ever could.

 

HTH

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And as this thread and many other posts have shown, very few people "hate" Lowe and Wilde.

 

Of course many may have issues with their managerial style, their decisions and the way they conduct themselves and their business, but sadly that is something that people like you find hard to understand (some of course may hate those actions - and the outcomes -, but that is different to hating the individual, something which is obviously a bit tough for you to comprehend).

 

It's just easier to think that people hate Lowe and Wilde, and that hate is driven by ruddy cheeks/duck shooting/tax dodging/being a scouser/liking hockey/investing in a hotel/being snobby (delete as applicable).

 

Posts like yours (and the OP) say so much more about you, than any of replies ever could.

 

HTH

 

 

I am Sorry but I dont understand your response.

 

I too find it strange that people hate others they have never met I can maybe understanding if they disliked

 

I take your point about mangerial style and how they conduct themselves but that can only come from contact with them surely.

 

People make wrong decisions all the time but that is life.

 

I disagreed on the appointment of Gray and Wigley.

 

I did not like the idea of Hoddle returning but that may have been wrong

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Red and White Army

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Posts like yours (and the OP) say so much more about you, than any of replies ever could.

 

HTH

 

Ditto yours dumb pahars. Every single post of yours has an angle looking to demonize or question Lowe or Jan, or intimate we would be better with Crouch and Pearson.

 

Sad to think you probably don't even realise this, or you do and think everyone else is too stupid to spot the obvious undertones... either way reflects poorly on you.

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um pahars

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I am Sorry but I dont understand your response..

 

What part don't you understand??

 

I was merely pointing out that I actually don't think many people do hate Lowe or Wilde as people, not least because they have never met them.

 

I believe people have issues with them coming back in their respective positions, and given their history, that is an understandable position to take.

 

I too find it strange that people hate others they have never met I can maybe understanding if they disliked.

 

Exactly.

 

I think at worst some people may hate what has happened to our Club, but that is a massive jump to hating inidividuals.

 

I take your point about mangerial style and how they conduct themselves but that can only come from contact with them surely..

 

I don't agree. We are affected by their decisions all the time and we are also exposed to them in the press, on the OS in the programme etc etc etc.

 

There is enough out there for people to judge them on.

 

People make wrong decisions all the time but that is life.

 

I disagreed on the appointment of Gray and Wigley.

 

And that us exactly the point. I think most people are adult enough to judge Lowe and Wilde on their past deeds and actions and not on them as a person (particularly when they don't even know them).

 

For many, it is not about his ruddy cheeks, his preference for hockey and shooting, instead they judge him by his past record.

 

And that is a personal issue. I can happily see why some might think Lowe is the best option we currently have (although I may not agree with it), but I can also understand how people might think Lowe in charge is not good for the Club.

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