Saint_Tony Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 Enoigh of all the bull**** threads and trolling nonsense after another defeat. From where I was watching, we dominated the game but with little cutting edge. We limited West Ham to about 4 chances, 3 of which were converted to goals. So what I want to know is, if we perform so badly when playing the ball on the floor against one of the more 'powerful' sides,what is our plan B? Today was an embarassment, makes me wonder what is the point of turning up for a game. Make no mistake, West Ham were awful but they played to their strengths correctly. What are ours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 "No plan B" has been levelled at every single manager we've had for as long as I can remember. It seems to be the go-to criticism when people are unhappy. Fact is, I can remember us playing a few different ways this season - high pressing, standing off a bit, going long to Lambert, going out wide to the full backs, Rodriguez/Lallana coming deep and then running the ball into the opponents half/final third and then many variations of the above. Above all else I think our players are given a lot of freedom in what they do in an attacking sense. This is why the likes of Lallana, Shaw and Lambert are (IMO) passed to more than any of our other players, because they're reliable in the amount of chances they create. We don't play a rigid "system A, OK that's not working, try system B". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 Gaston for Davis was a deliberate change of attacking style. I would go as far as calling it a plan b, but he looked pretty good for the time he was on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 Squad is not deep enough for good Plan B. Relying on one flair player who may or may not turn up is not a robust Plan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 Few teams have a 'Plan B'. It seems to me clubs play out the matches accepting their fate. Only Mourinho seems capable of turning a game with substitutions and a change of the point and phases of attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 Squad is not deep enough for good Plan B. Relying on one flair player who may or may not turn up is not a robust Plan B So what do you suggest Alpine with the resources we have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 I only saw second half but we seemed to put a lot of crosses in which I didn't really think is our game. I dunno which plan it was but it was playing into West Ham's hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 Squad is not deep enough for good Plan B. Relying on one flair player who may or may not turn up is not a robust Plan B THIS ! ..reflects my comments all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 Having a Plan B wouldn't result in players suddenly converting chances, nor would it result in our back 4 being able to properly defend long balls into the box. The usual nonsense we get whenever we lose a game. Plan A worked pretty well yesterday as we controlled the game and created plenty of chances. It's up to individual players to cut out errors and put the ball in the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 Oh no, not the proverbial Plan B again. One of the more irritating football fan cliches - levelled at managers by people who probably wouldn't recognise one if it slapped them in the face. There doesn't seem to be a manager in the world who has one of these mystical plan B's, especially after a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 If we have a Plan B it's being more direct as we were in the second half at Fulham. But that doesn't seem to work that well against a packed defence. Otherwise our options are pretty well using Cork and Ramires as a more attacking and creative combination to Wanyama and Davis, but that is more open and the policy seems to be only to go that way when we're chasing a game. The big problem is the lack of clinical finishing, which seems to be contagious: Adam, Ricky and Jay were all struggling yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 "No plan B" has been levelled at every single manager we've had for as long as I can remember. It seems to be the go-to criticism when people are unhappy. Fact is, I can remember us playing a few different ways this season - high pressing, standing off a bit, going long to Lambert, going out wide to the full backs, Rodriguez/Lallana coming deep and then running the ball into the opponents half/final third and then many variations of the above. Above all else I think our players are given a lot of freedom in what they do in an attacking sense. This is why the likes of Lallana, Shaw and Lambert are (IMO) passed to more than any of our other players, because they're reliable in the amount of chances they create. We don't play a rigid "system A, OK that's not working, try system B". This pretty much reflects my understanding. Plan A is sufficiently fluid to accommodate different styles of opposition. The plan had very little to with yesterday's defeat where we dominated possession and got more shots on goal. They scored from an offside goal and from a Yoshida error. Their third was an inspirational goal scored against the run of play whilst we were pressing for an equaliser. The high pressing game makes for the most entertaining football I've seen in years so Pleae don't change it for anyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 Found one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 23 February, 2014 Share Posted 23 February, 2014 Plan B you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 26 February, 2014 Share Posted 26 February, 2014 I thought you meant Plan B was playing at St Mary's at the end of season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 playing one style..... one formation is about the full extent that most managers can manage (except those like Mourinho), who have a squad large enough to change out in every game. .........although watching some of the current (Prem.) sides ......it looks as though some of them don't even have a Plan A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 (edited) N/ t Edited 28 February, 2014 by Turkish Wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 He was a fantastic centre half and perhaps unfortunate to have been around when England had quite a few quality centre halves otherwise he'd surely have got a few England caps. Remember him suffering from illness and dizzy spells when he was at spurs which caused him to retire early and it was a real shock to hear he'd died, was it a brain rumour? Lovely fella by all accounts. RIP Plan B. Liked him in the Sweeney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 RIP Plan B. Liked him in the Sweeney. wrong thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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