SuperMikey Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 Is it not possible to dismiss some of what he says but agree with other things? Absolutely, but Galloway has been a national joke for years now. It's just funny that people seem to think he's somebody to listen to on this when he's been derided on pretty much all other matters. I'm just not sure what qualifies his opinion on this as worth listening to in comparison to some other comments he's made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 Absolutely, but Galloway has been a national joke for years now. It's just funny that people seem to think he's somebody to listen to on this when he's been derided on pretty much all other matters. I'm just not sure what qualifies his opinion on this as worth listening to in comparison to some other comments he's made. Hmm. Calling him "a national joke" sort of suggests you are speaking for everyone. Personally he has said quite a lot of things I disagree with and which I find borderline offensive. There are other things he says that I do agree with and he is clearly an intelligent and interesting person who is a great public speaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 Absolutely, but Galloway has been a national joke for years now. It's just funny that people seem to think he's somebody to listen to on this when he's been derided on pretty much all other matters. I'm just not sure what qualifies his opinion on this as worth listening to in comparison to some other comments he's made. Derided? Was he wrong on not going to war in Iraq? Is he wrong in his fierce stance for Palestine? Against nuclear weapons? Against the US senate?? And so on I thought his views would be right up your street... I don't agree with him hardly, but I like what he says about Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 Those rubbing their hands at the prospect of a 'Yes' vote damaging a Tory Prime Minister they don't happen to much like will do well to remember that David Cameron is what the great Robin Day once described as a: 'here today, gone tomorrow' politician. PM's come and like Southampton managers. The big picture is that Scottish independence will almost certainly shift the balance of political power in England to the right - perhaps significantly. So my lefty mates - if you want to see your political philosophy prosper again south of the border then you better swallow you pride and get behind Dave and the union you secretly despise so - and if that sticks in your craw then console yourself with the thought that you'd actually be on the right side of a argument for once. So being left wing means you secretly despise the union. **** me, I've read some b*ll*x on here in my time but that takes some beating. Chapel End Charlie = thick as sh!t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 Derided? Was he wrong on not going to war in Iraq? Is he wrong in his fierce stance for Palestine? Against nuclear weapons? Against the US senate?? And so on I thought his views would be right up your street... I don't agree with him hardly, but I like what he says about Scotland. his defence of Gaddifi was great wasn't it? Reading how Gaddafi treated some of his people was appalling, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 So being left wing means you secretly despise the union. **** me, I've read some b*ll*x on here in my time but that takes some beating. Chapel End Charlie = thick as sh!t Oh do calm down Susan. As it happens I was not necessarily referring to you. But do some on the (extreme) left covertly hate this nation and all that it stands for? Well methinks the relish some are showing at the prospect of the demise of the UK indicates that more than a few probably do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 Scotland is one of the richest nations on earth. WEll Mr Salmond if that is the case, why am I so Poor?apparently Salmond admires the English. He has mangaged to hide that for decades! he says it's going to be a fairer society up there, communist state on our border alert lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 44 labour MPs (?) and Milliband will be praying and rubbing their lucky charms tonight. 5m voters from Scotland dictating to 58m in England what is itall coming to . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 Oh do calm down Susan. As it happens I was not necessarily referring to you. But do some on the (extreme) left covertly hate this nation and all that it stands for? Well methinks the relish some are showing at the prospect of the demise of the UK indicates that more than a few probably do. I have never voted Labour in my life and I don't care who you are referring to, you're talking out your arse. It's perfectly understandable why left wingers would enjoy watching Cameron get a bloody nose, you don't need to be brain of Britain to figure out why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 I have never voted Labour in my life and I don't care who you are referring to, you're talking out your arse. It's perfectly understandable why left wingers would enjoy watching Cameron get a bloody nose, you don't need to be brain of Britain to figure out why. I suppose I could care less who you happen to vote for but I can't quite imagine how at the moment. As for your manifest failure to grasp the big issues here ... well to put it in terms you might comprehend you appear to be displaying all the tell-tell signs of some pretty 'dense' behaviour yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 apparently Salmond admires the English. He has mangaged to hide that for decades! he says it's going to be a fairer society up there, communist state on our border alert lol As much as I despise what the conservatives stand for I would actually want them in charge of the UK should the Jocks vote yes. I would trust them to f*ck over a socialist Scotland much better than Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 I suppose I could care less who you happen to vote for but I can't quite imagine how at the moment. As for your manifest failure to grasp the big issues here ... well to put it in terms you might comprehend you appear to be displaying all the tell-tell signs of some pretty 'dense' behaviour yourself. Yeah, because "left wingers hate the UK" is f*cking genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 Yeah, because "left wingers hate the UK" is f*cking genius. Yeah shipmate that's actually what I meant ... You must me a big hit at the MENSA meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 So my lefty mates - if you want to see your political philosophy prosper again south of the border then you better swallow you pride and get behind Dave and the union you secretly despise so Maybe you should email this beauty of a quote to MENSA and see if they will let you in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 Hmmmm Will the YES do this? They are by far the more vocal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 September, 2014 Author Share Posted 17 September, 2014 Maybe you should email this beauty of a quote to MENSA and see if they will let you in. I think my country is the greatest on Earth, but I'm biased. Just don't like the people that run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 Hmmmm Will the YES do this? They are by far the more vocal. The underdog always is. Still can't see them winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 September, 2014 Author Share Posted 17 September, 2014 rUK KFC http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/scottish-independence-man-finds-piece-4270767 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 The underdog always is. Still can't see them winning. Many of the YES appear so emotionally charged and convinced it will go their way, I can't see anything other than havoc if it does not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 Many of the YES appear so emotionally charged and convinced it will go their way, I can't see anything other than havoc if it does not Meh, they'll grumble but accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 BatmanI have heard the odd whisper, I will do some research , there maybe something in the odd murmerings. If what is being suggested is true then the loss of Sullom Voe will be a major kick in the bollixs for salmonds fiscal policies. salmond has done alot of visits to the islands, which are strong liberal dem heartlands. he has made comments that the Islands would get greater powers if it is a yes vote, but i think that is really phish. as he has done nothing from Orkeny , instead he has given lots of pennies to the western isles Oh, for Viking The MP for the Shetland isles has said that if his constituents vote no but Scotland go with a yes. He thinks there is a legal way for the islands not to be part of an iScotland. Heard anything about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 I've just found out why Pap likes Salmond... http://news.stv.tv/scotland/172963-alex-salmond-reveals-star-trek-obsession/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 September, 2014 Author Share Posted 17 September, 2014 salmond has done alot of visits to the islands, which are strong liberal dem heartlands. I didn't know you lived in such a hive of scum and villainy, VW. Is it like Eastleigh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 I've just found out why Pap likes Salmond... http://news.stv.tv/scotland/172963-alex-salmond-reveals-star-trek-obsession/ Boo voyager boo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 September, 2014 Author Share Posted 17 September, 2014 I've just found out why Pap likes Salmond... http://news.stv.tv/scotland/172963-alex-salmond-reveals-star-trek-obsession/ Hmm? Boo voyager boo. Burn Salmond! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 It's worse than that pap. It would be safer living next door to Fratton park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 Eves dropping on a discussion by a couple of yes campaigners in a local pub in Kirkwall Quite Worrying but one of them are saying its a definately yes victory but then says that if it's a no vote then there will be serious unrest through out Scotland . I happen to know the individual and where he works . I'm staggered by his comments given his role in the community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 (edited) Eves dropping on a discussion by a couple of yes campaigners in a local pub in Kirkwall Quite Worrying but one of them are saying its a definately yes victory but then says that if it's a no vote then there will be serious unrest through out Scotland . I happen to know the individual and where he works . I'm staggered by his comments given his role in the community We all know it will be carnage up there if NO wins Just look at the nastiness shown by Yessers in front of the camera. Plus English friends up there who are not welcome in their locals One sky journo said earlier that every single NO sign he saw on his way from Glasgow to Ayer was vandalised Pretty sad really Edited 17 September, 2014 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 We all know it will be carnage up there if NO wins Just look at the nastiness shown by Yessers in front of the camera. Plus English friends up there who are not welcome in their locals One sky journo said earlier that every single NO sign he saw on his way from Glasgow to Ayer was vandalised Pretty sad really It is sad, and it gives opponents to Yes more ammunition with which to attack the campaign. Tbf though I think that kind of thing is fairly commonplace in our society now - if there's something of massive national importance like this it galvanizes people into performing reactionary acts. Look at all the EDL/BNP stuff previously where mosques and shops were being vandalised (and to an extent, still are). It's an unfortunate by-product of involving the whole populus in a campaign - a percentage of them will go out and do stupid things to show their support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 An Independence vote would see the end of Daylight Saving Time in England. Another of Cameron's unfulfilled and broken promises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 Salmond is off his rocking horse read the following batman do you know this high ranking ex navy bod called called may ? Scottish independence would make the whole UK more vulnerable to attack, senior military figures have warned. In a letter in the Sun, 14 former armed forces chiefs said a No referendum vote was "critical for all our security". Breaking up Britain would "weaken us all", they added. First Minister Alex Salmond cited military and naval figures who backed a "Yes" vote and said the letter's writers should "not try to use people's service for political reasons". The letter was signed by seven former Chiefs of Defence Staff - Lords Boyce, Guthrie, Inge, Vincent, Stirrup, Craig and Richards. Also putting their names to the letter were three former First Sea Lords - Lord West, Admiral Sir Mark Stanhope and Admiral Sir Jonathan Band; three ex-Army chiefs - Lord Dannatt, General Sir Mike Jackson and General Sir Roger Wheeler; and former head of the RAF, Air Chief Marshal Sir Richard Johns. 'Successful alliance' In an "open letter to the people of Scotland", they expressed concern about the possibility of a separate Scottish military. "As former chiefs of the Royal Navy, British army and Royal Air Force, we know it is fiction to talk about regional armed forces," they wrote. "We train as one, fight as one and are under one command. We are not, and have never been, structured for division." They said a vote for separation would "undermine both Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom's defence". "At risk is the most successful alliance in history and one which has seen men and women from all parts of the country play their part in securing the liberties we now enjoy," they continued. "This unity has guarded our borders and given us the space to prosper in a troubled world." The letter concluded: "The division of the UK may or may not be politically or economically sensible, but in military terms we are clear: it will weaken us all." 'Loyal soldiers' Interviewed on Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Salmond cited support for independence by Jimmy Sinclair, a 102-year-old former Desert Rat, and Lt-Cdr Colin May, who recently retired as a senior Royal Navy intelligence officer at the Faslane submarine base. There was "a whole range of other people who've served this country coming out in favour of a 'Yes' vote," said Mr Salmond. "With due respect to General Dannatt, people like Jimmy Sinclair didn't serve for him; they served for the Queen and for democracy. People "should listen to the words of serving soldiers and make it clear that... you can believe in democracy and independence for Scotland and be a loyal solider. "General Dannatt should go and have a talk with Jimmy Sinclair and not try to use people's service for political reasons." In the referendum campaign on Tuesday, both sides seized on a pledge by the three main Westminster parties to devolve more powers. Yes Scotland described it as an "insult" to voters but Better Together said it was "a vision around which Scotland can unite". By the way in another article it states the following In 1953, He had a near miss himself when the truck Mr Sinclair was travelling in on a stretch of barren African desert took a direct hit from a German bomber but he escaped unscathed. I thought the war with Germany had already ended ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 A LTCDR is pretty low down the food chain in the grand scheme of things. Certainly not worth listening to either way on issues this big Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 I have just seen a picture of a yes voter torching a Union Jack at a memorial . I would post it but I have not mastered the technique to pay a picture to this site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 The last poll from yougov has no with a 4 point advantage and predict NO to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 17 September, 2014 Share Posted 17 September, 2014 The last poll from yougov has no with a 4 point advantage and predict NO to win Dream on - comical. Certain No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 18 September, 2014 Share Posted 18 September, 2014 If Scotland were to become independent would that then mean that all Scottish players in the Prem would no longer count as home grown? Also, if as Spain has suggested, it takes 5 years for them to join the EU will there then need to be work permits etc. could make the FA's life a bit difficult... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 18 September, 2014 Share Posted 18 September, 2014 I know that sense will most likely prevail and the Scots will realise it's all the ego driven ramblings of a complete idiot and that it is economic suicide, but hypotheticals are fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 September, 2014 Author Share Posted 18 September, 2014 Swingball? Fúck off. That's my swingball now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 18 September, 2014 Share Posted 18 September, 2014 Today I'm still British . However I'm not sure what I will be tomorrow . But one thing I'm sure of is I will still be a Saints fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 September, 2014 Share Posted 18 September, 2014 (edited) The pessimist in me think the YES will win. Andy Murray has come out in favour of YES this morning. One thing is for sure, never heard "Westminster" being mentioned as much as I have in the last couple of weeks Either way tomorrow, change is coming for all of us. One thing that generally irks me, the way many of them bleat on up there, you could be mistaken for thinking they live in soviet Russia or down town Syria given how oppressed they think they are It's the UK ffs Edited 18 September, 2014 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 September, 2014 Share Posted 18 September, 2014 The pessimist in me think the YES will win. Andy Murray has come out in favour of YES this morning. One thing is for sure, never heard "Westminster" being mentioned as much as I have in the last couple of weeks Either way tomorrow, change is coming for all of us. One thing that generally irks me, the way many of them bleat on up there, you could be mistaken for thinking they live in soviet Russia or down town Syria given how oppressed they think they are It's the UK ffs And they will still be blaming England for their misfortune 5 years after a "yes" vote.. The example of Zimbabwe comes to mind.. Nice Pochettino stunt by Murray, btw.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindsorSaint Posted 18 September, 2014 Share Posted 18 September, 2014 To build may have to be the slow and laborious task of years. To destroy can be the thoughtless act of a single day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 September, 2014 Share Posted 18 September, 2014 To build may have to be the slow and laborious task of years. To destroy can be the thoughtless act of a single day. I have been staunchly in favour of the biggest NO vote possible. But you know what, if they really feel so stamped on and oppressed by "a failed imperialistic state" Good luck to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 September, 2014 Share Posted 18 September, 2014 I have been staunchly in favour of the biggest NO vote possible. But you know what, if they really feel so stamped on and oppressed by "a failed imperialistic state" Good luck to them. I still think we will see a quieter no vote win out. People just haven't been as vocal due to the intimidation and not wanting to be seen as anti Scottish by some imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 September, 2014 Author Share Posted 18 September, 2014 The pessimist in me think the YES will win. Andy Murray has come out in favour of YES this morning. One thing is for sure, never heard "Westminster" being mentioned as much as I have in the last couple of weeks Either way tomorrow, change is coming for all of us. One thing that generally irks me, the way many of them bleat on up there, you could be mistaken for thinking they live in soviet Russia or down town Syria given how oppressed they think they are It's the UK ffs You're just píssed off because you have to go back to Fred Perry for a source of male national tennis pride. For an indication of just how long ago that was, check here:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 September, 2014 Share Posted 18 September, 2014 I still think we will see a quieter no vote win out. People just haven't been as vocal due to the intimidation and not wanting to be seen as anti Scottish by some imo. probably right. I get that they dont like the politicians (how salmond is different, I do not know) but they way some of them go on, you would think we invaded them and have made them our slaves in our empire. the UK may not be perfect (and in no way is scotland) but its probably one of the most fair societies on earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 September, 2014 Author Share Posted 18 September, 2014 probably right. I get that they dont like the politicians (how salmond is different, I do not know) but they way some of them go on, you would think we invaded them and have made them our slaves in our empire. the UK may not be perfect (and in no way is scotland) but its probably one of the most fair societies on earth. Completely. I love the way we can only pick our head of state from one family, the way that millions of voters are disenfranchised. Recently, I've been most encouraged at washing the poor out of London. Gotta make room for those Russian oligarchs and Arab sheiks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 September, 2014 Share Posted 18 September, 2014 Completely. I love the way we can only pick our head of state from one family, the way that millions of voters are disenfranchised. Recently, I've been most encouraged at washing the poor out of London. Gotta make room for those Russian oligarchs and Arab sheiks. either way pap. its easily one of the most fairest societies on earth. and Scotland wants to keep all that sort of stuff you say is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 September, 2014 Author Share Posted 18 September, 2014 either way pap. its easily one of the most fairest societies on earth. And yet a far cry from what we were 60 years ago, when we genuinely cared about our citizens. Do fair societies go around invading countries that haven't done anything to them, against the wishes of their people? If we're so fair, cool and all that, why have so many countries wanted to fúck us off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 September, 2014 Share Posted 18 September, 2014 You're just píssed off because you have to go back to Fred Perry for a source of male national tennis pride. For an indication of just how long ago that was, check here:- I do believe that you are getting some sort of sexual satisfaction out of this.......... who gives a fyling-f**k about male national tennis pride ? Have a word with yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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