Thedelldays Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 now the dust has settled..has lowe position strengthend after yesterday with those in power..? we have lowe - claiming he is doing a good job with accounts..and trying to do something etc (albeit, the wrong things on certain issues) but what did those do who oppose him..? crouch, lawrie, chorley (muppet)...now the dust has settled, they have done nothing constructive for the club and have just embarassed themselves...by tossing/lobbing/throwing coins at a company meeting, to heckling and walking out.. to those who can have a say, would they really want people who "walk out" to have a go..? hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 I would expect action against Lowe to increase over the coming games as a result of yesterday. Only time will tell if that has an effect.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 24 December, 2008 I would expect action against Lowe to increase over the coming games as a result of yesterday. Only time will tell if that has an effect.... i agree...but flying a few banners wont work.....those who can have a sizable say are siding with lowe with his handling of the finances... people have been staying away and been abused fo it...so that wont work... just think the actions by those who oppose lowe have let the average fan down in a big way....i really do.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 As soon as you walk out of any meeting you have lost. Chorley was a fool and given Lowe further ammunition against "the lunatic fringe". The thing that annoys me the most that Judas Coward Wilde comes away scot free. Definately a win for Lowe whether its a case of winning a battle but losing the war only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 The lunatic was indeed at the AGM - His name Rupert Lowe. How anybody can say he won is quite beyond me. Look at the accounts. We have debts of over £43m & you are saying that his financial genius is a) going to solve the problem & b) take absolutely no responsibility for the position we are in. Why on earth would anybody invest £50m to make Saints solvent? And there in lies the real problem. RL defending his share holding, which he acquired by relegating SFC from the PL. Cloud cuckoo land is where many of you are abviously celebrating Christmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 those who can have a sizable say are siding with lowe with his handling of the finances... Those who have a sizeable say are siding with him out of some misplaced loyalty. A loyalty that must surely be tested with the increasing problems on the pitch and his irrational behaviour off of it. people have been staying away and been abused fo it...so that wont work... I don't know what form any protests will start to take, but I think the anti has been upped following yesterdays fiasco. I have had many chats over the last 24 hours from middle fo the road people who have finally conceded that Lowe is not fit for purpose. just think the actions by those who oppose lowe have let the average fan down in a big way....i really do.. A contrary view is that the hornets nest has now been stirred up and the walk out at the AGM may well be the starting point for something else. I think Lowe's actions and deeds at the AGM, coupled with the under performance of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up means that his position has been weakened. I think the resolve of those who oppose him has been strengthened and I also feel some of his support has ebbed away as a result of this farce. About the only thing holding back the tide, is the lack of an alternative (as Crouch & Wilde have also proved they are not the men for the day to day running of this Club). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 now the dust has settled..has lowe position strengthend after yesterday with those in power..? I would say that his position, in opposition to the likes of Crouch, has been strengthened. However, his position in opposition to fans has almost certainly weakened. I guess the overall picture depends on how much power you believe Leon Crouch, Lawrie McMenemy and the Corbetts to hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 The lunatic was indeed at the AGM - His name Rupert Lowe. How anybody can say he won is quite beyond me. Look at the accounts. We have debts of over £43m & you are saying that his financial genius is a) going to solve the problem & b) take absolutely no responsibility for the position we are in. Why on earth would anybody invest £50m to make Saints solvent? And there in lies the real problem. RL defending his share holding, which he acquired by relegating SFC from the PL. Cloud cuckoo land is where many of you are abviously celebrating Christmas! Did you actually read any of the posts before your rant? The answer to the question was regard to yesterday and the actions at the AGM. Where does it say financial genius on any of the replies? My stance is the same as always I want rid of the 3. The nutter, the coward and the walker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 I guess the overall picture depends on how much power you believe Leon Crouch, Lawrie McMenemy and the Corbetts to hold. Not enough would be my conclusion. The power to remove Lowe rests with the fans IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 now the dust has settled..has lowe position strengthend after yesterday with those in power..? we have lowe - claiming he is doing a good job with accounts..and trying to do something etc (albeit, the wrong things on certain issues) but what did those do who oppose him..? crouch, lawrie, chorley (muppet)...now the dust has settled, they have done nothing constructive for the club and have just embarassed themselves...by tossing/lobbing/throwing coins at a company meeting, to heckling and walking out.. to those who can have a say, would they really want people who "walk out" to have a go..? hmmmm Claiming and doing are different things entirely! The overdraft facility at the bank has been increased, therefore our net debt has INCREASED. That is NOT financial prudence, this is spending more than you earn.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 Wobbler Wilde holds the key to how all this pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 Those who have a sizeable say are siding with him out of some misplaced loyalty. A loyalty that must surely be tested with the increasing problems on the pitch and his irrational behaviour off of it. I don't know what form any protests will start to take, but I think the anti has been upped following yesterdays fiasco. I have had many chats over the last 24 hours from middle fo the road people who have finally conceded that Lowe is not fit for purpose. A contrary view is that the hornets nest has now been stirred up and the walk out at the AGM may well be the starting point for something else. I think Lowe's actions and deeds at the AGM, coupled with the under performance of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up means that his position has been weakened. I think the resolve of those who oppose him has been strengthened and I also feel some of his support has ebbed away as a result of this farce. About the only thing holding back the tide, is the lack of an alternative (as Crouch & Wilde have also proved they are not the men for the day to day running of this Club). I agree, what is the alternative? The previous characters hardy covered themselves in glory and whilst it is possible for someome else to come in and steady the ship, without a decent level of wedge it is hard to see how things can be radically different. We need cash in order to get our strikers back of to bring others here. We need cash to sort out the defence. Where is that going to come from??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 focusing purely on the struggle to avoid financial ruin I don't think many of the investors have any complaints about Lowe employing cheap labour and offloading high wage earners and casshing in on anything of value before it is too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 Not enough would be my conclusion. The power to remove Lowe rests with the fans IMHO. rests with someone with money and clout. He sat firm to the bitter end last time, didn't care about chants etc -only went when had no choice due to someone buying shares. I believe this is the only way it will change this time and why protests are counter productive. As they will not make the club any more attractive or successful - possibly the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Faz Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 I think the key to this is how much faith Lowes backers have in him. On his own he is a minor share holder. I would hope that those who support him with their shareholding will look at the events of yesterday and see that Lowe, despite some undoubted strenghts, is fundamentally flawed as a leader of this club as his ego gets in the way of what is right for the club as a whole. I hope that within that group ( like last time he went) they will tell him its time to go. This is not unsimilar to the end of Thatchers premiership, the electorate and the labour party didnt get rid of her, those closest to her could no longer support her as her behaviour became more and more erratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLYMPIC Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 It just seems to be never ending with the power struggle at SFC,but my main problem is that if Lowe goes i would not want to see Crouch back in control as he did a poor job last time.Also i think Wilde has made himself a complete joke by jumping ships each time there is a change in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 It is not about Lowe and his ego though is it? He has gone to the bankers with a plan which they obviously support. I suppose he could have gone to them with a plan to bring in Mourinho and a few class players and they would have told him to go away and lie down in a darkened room. Whatever the fans might think, the only people who matter right now are the people who hold the purse strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 It is not about Lowe and his ego though is it? I would argue the appointment of Poortvliet and the accompanying fanfare about the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up is a testament that Lowe's ego is in play here. IMHO the sacking of Pearson and the appointment of Poortvliet was all about "I'll show them". Lowe and his ego permeates throughout the Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheresRory Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 No-one will be able to ignore a list of 10K current ST holders who have signed a petition to refuse to renew with him still incharge. He'd have no option if he cared about his shareholding which I believe he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 I would argue the appointment of Poortvliet and the accompanying fanfare about the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up is a testament that Lowe's ego is in play here. IMHO the sacking of Pearson and the appointment of Poortvliet was all about "I'll show them". Lowe and his ego permeates throughout the Club. Have to agree with you there. The longer he continues to metaphorically stick two fingers up to the fan base the more he will become a figure of hate which will over-shadow any positives that he does bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 The lunatic was indeed at the AGM - His name Rupert Lowe. How anybody can say he won is quite beyond me. Look at the accounts. We have debts of over £43m & you are saying that his financial genius is a) going to solve the problem & b) take absolutely no responsibility for the position we are in. Why on earth would anybody invest £50m to make Saints solvent? And there in lies the real problem. RL defending his share holding, which he acquired by relegating SFC from the PL. Cloud cuckoo land is where many of you are abviously celebrating Christmas! sorry mate, but RL has got the finances into MUCH better shape than last year. We may not be out of the woods but at least there is a competent approach to the business. If we ain't got the cash we can't spend it. For that, and only that, I am prepared to thank RL. Love him or hate him the simple fact is that if the club continued to pay the ludicrous wage bill that the other bunch of muppets signed off on then the club would have been insolvent already. No one wants to lose football games, but I would much rather be solvent and in div one than bankrupt and in div one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 sorry mate, but RL has got the finances into MUCH better shape than last year. We may not be out of the woods but at least there is a competent approach to the business. If we ain't got the cash we can't spend it. For that, and only that, I am prepared to thank RL. Love him or hate him the simple fact is that if the club continued to pay the ludicrous wage bill that the other bunch of muppets signed off on then the club would have been insolvent already. No one wants to lose football games, but I would much rather be solvent and in div one than bankrupt and in div one. How do you know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 The voices of discontent will be louder, but with no real opposition, he has never looked more secure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 How do you know this? because: a) they couldn't be worse and b) expenses are less and c) they couldn't be worse. Christ, I hope people aren't going to try and state that the finances last year were in good order??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 because: a) they couldn't be worse and b) expenses are less and c) they couldn't be worse. Christ, I hope people aren't going to try and state that the finances last year were in good order??????? Last year was crap, but I wouldn't imagine this year will be much better. Yes, we may have reduced costs, but revenue must have dropped off a cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 because: a) they couldn't be worse and b) expenses are less and c) they couldn't be worse. Christ, I hope people aren't going to try and state that the finances last year were in good order??????? Nobody is stating the finances last year would good - it's the single point every Saints fan agrees on!! Unfortunately the club's debt - overdraft at the bank - has grown this year, which indicates the club finances are actually worse than last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 Originally Posted by 1976_Child because: a) they couldn't be worse and b) expenses are less and c) they couldn't be worse. Christ, I hope people aren't going to try and state that the finances last year were in good order??????? Nobody is stating the finances last year would good - it's the single point every Saints fan agrees on!! Unfortunately the club's debt - overdraft at the bank - has grown this year, which indicates the club finances are actually worse than last year! Without doubt our debt has increased considerably, but without the financial actions that have been taken, we would be far worse off. When you implement these actions as with trains, things don't come to a halt immediately. Looking back over these actions, what more could be done? I can't fault Lowe for these actions and actually having the balls to make them, knowing full well the repercussions. One thing that becomes very clear from reading the transcript of the AGM, there is a very divisive element within the club. We saw exactly the same behaviour when Lowe was not even at the club and you have to ask yourself do these people really have the good of Saints at heart, because their actions are not indicating anything like that. I cold not imagine for one minute Wilde siding with Lowe, but the more I see of events like the AGM, it make things a lot clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 Without doubt our debt has increased considerably, but without the financial actions that have been taken, we would be far worse off. Exactly. Well said. We might still me broke, but we are less broke than if the old lot had still been throwing money at players' wages. To run a club - any club - where you are paying 80% of turnover on players wages is not just imbecilical it is down right corporate negligence. At least RL understands this point. I also don't believe that the attendance this season would not be significantly higher if the squad had stayed the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 Lowes position, and everybody else's, is determined by Wilde. 25% swings any decision his way at present. Somebody with a few spare millions, (and it IS only a few) could get wildes shares and start sorting this sorry mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 Exactly. Well said. We might still me broke, but we are less broke than if the old lot had still been throwing money at players' wages. To run a club - any club - where you are paying 80% of turnover on players wages is not just imbecilical it is down right corporate negligence. At least RL understands this point. I also don't believe that the attendance this season would not be significantly higher if the squad had stayed the same. Strange thing is the company finance director was not over worried by the 80% because he knew that a lot of players were out of contract on the 30th June 2009 and that percentage would fall any way. Rupert is focusing on that stat because he knows that will show an automatic improvement much of which is nothing to do with his decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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