What is wrong with America

[hypochondriac]

In other news, I saw that Brigitte Macron is prepared to provide proof that she is a woman in her lawsuit against that odious piece of rubbish Candace Owens. Let's hope she rinses her for all she has.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

It's arguable, but honestly I don't think it's anywhere near enough to sack someone. It's not like saying something like, oh, I don't know, abortion is worse than the holocaust.

I don't think he should be sacked. It's likely though that with his contract ending soon, Disney probably didn't think it was worth the hassle given it's still arguable like I said. He's not valuable enough for them to bother with and he was silly to put himself in that position.

[spyinthesky]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

In other news, I saw that Brigitte Macron is prepared to provide proof that she is a woman in her lawsuit against that odious piece of rubbish Candace Owens. Let's hope she rinses her for all she has.

Apparently quite a few MAGA supporters think Michelle Obama is a man.

I wonder who else is on the list?

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I don't think he should be sacked. It's likely though that with his contract ending soon, Disney probably didn't think it was worth the hassle given it's still arguable like I said. He's not valuable enough for them to bother with and he was silly to put himself in that position.

I don't disagree with that.

It's a shame, I've watched him for years and years, and he is a great broadcaster, the "I'm f***ing Matt Damon" and "I'm f***ing Ben Affleck" stuff back in the day with then girlfriend Sarah Silverman was properly funny. He wasn't a fire-breathing lefty, he just thought Trump and his followers were morons, and there is no real argument there.

[LVSaint]

15 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Who knows what the reason is. All we know is it's definitely not a freedom of speech issue.

It absolutely is. Jimmy Kimmel took the piss out of Trump on a daily basis. He got under Trump's incredibly thin skin all the time. Some punditry shows, like Bill Maher for example have noticeably toned it down in recent months with their criticism of the president. Maher, not long ago had dinner with Trump at the White House. Which is fine, but.....you know. The Kimmel incident will potentially set a president on what can or can not be said and others may or may not follow the narrative. (John Oliver's fucked then)

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, LVSaint said:

It absolutely is. Jimmy Kimmel took the piss out of Trump on a daily basis. He got under Trump's incredibly thin skin all the time. Some punditry shows, like Bill Maher for example have noticeably toned it down in recent months with their criticism of the president. Maher, not long ago had dinner with Trump at the White House. Which is fine, but.....you know. The Kimmel incident will potentially set a president on what can or can not be said and others may or may not follow the narrative. (John Oliver's fucked then)

I want to see Jon Stewart's reaction as well.

Bill Maher is a sell-out dick sucker.

[hypochondriac]

13 minutes ago, LVSaint said:

It absolutely is. Jimmy Kimmel took the piss out of Trump on a daily basis. He got under Trump's incredibly thin skin all the time. Some punditry shows, like Bill Maher for example have noticeably toned it down in recent months with their criticism of the president. Maher, not long ago had dinner with Trump at the White House. Which is fine, but.....you know. The Kimmel incident will potentially set a president on what can or can not be said and others may or may not follow the narrative. (John Oliver's fucked then)

Explain how any of that impinges on free speech ?

[whelk]

11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Explain how any of that impinges on free speech ?

You aren’t that stupid

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

You aren’t that stupid

Indulge me. Do the FCC rob American citizens of their first amendment rights?

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Indulge me. Do the FCC rob American citizens of their first amendment rights?

If you’re too dense to see any connection, I’m afraid I am not going to explain it to you. 

[egg]

Kimmel says something contrary to the narrative. Threat then made, essentially, to pull ABC license unless he's dealt with. He's then taken off air. Of course it's a freedom of speech issue. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Kimmel says something contrary to the narrative. Threat then made, essentially, to pull ABC license unless he's dealt with. He's then taken off air. Of course it's a freedom of speech issue. 

The FCC can take you off air for a host of different reasons. If Ofcom uphold complaints from someone on GB news and they are removed from air as a result, in what way are they prevented from speaking ?

[hypochondriac]

If Kimmel were put in jail to prevent what he's saying then I'd wholeheartedly agree his free speech is in jeopardy. He's free to tweet exactly what he said on telly now if he wanted. He could put it on YouTube and probably get multiple millions of eyeballs on him immediately.

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[egg]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

If Kimmel were put in jail to prevent what he's saying then I'd wholeheartedly agree his free speech is in jeopardy. He's free to tweet exactly what he said on telly now if he wanted. He could putnitnon YouTube and probably get multiple millions of eyeballs on him immediately.

Jeez. You don't get this do you. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Jeez. You don't get this do you. 

It doesn't threaten his free speech. It's not completely the same but Lawrence Fox was kicked off GB news as a contributor because he made a crass comment about not shagging someone. That wasn't a free speech issue either.

[LVSaint]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

The FCC can take you off air for a host of different reasons. If Ofcom uphold complaints from someone on GB news and they are removed from air as a result, in what way are they prevented from speaking ?

I thought you'd alluded to it earlier in the thread though?

Nexstar are about to do a mega deal merger with another company which needs Trump's...sorry, FCC's authoritarian, sorry, authorisation to complete. Nexstar own lots of local tv channels that air networks, like ABC. That's the way it's done here. FCC says you can merge, however, Kimmel's got to go, have a word with ABC will ya? FCC chief Carr, in effect had already said that a few days ago.

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, LVSaint said:

I thought you'd alluded to it earlier in the thread though?

Nexstar are about to do a mega deal merger with another company which needs Trump's...sorry, FCC's authoritarian, sorry, authorisation to complete. Nexstar own lots of local tv channels that air networks, like ABC. That's the way it's done here. FCC says you can merge, however, Kimmel's got to go, have a word with ABC will ya? FCC chief Carr, in effect had already said that a few days ago.

I don't disagree. It's quite possible there were elements of this involved. I don't think that's a good thing and I don't support him being kicked off. Even if there are dirty dealings to get him off air, he's not been prevented from speaking has he. He still has freedom to say what he likes, just not on ABC.

[badgerx16]

57 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I don't disagree. It's quite possible there were elements of this involved. I don't think that's a good thing and I don't support him being kicked off. Even if there are dirty dealings to get him off air, he's not been prevented from speaking has he. He still has freedom to say what he likes, just not on ABC.

And amy platform he puts it on will immediately ban him because.....Trump.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

And amy platform he puts it on will immediately ban him because.....Trump.

Before a black van picks him up for another beating, he can stand in rags on any street corner and say what he likes. So really nothing impinging his free speech.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

And amy platform he puts it on will immediately ban him because.....Trump.

Indeed. 

The point still being missed is that pushing for the booting of someone prominent, after threats to the broadcaster, is as obvious an attempt to restrict speech via that platform (and clip the wings of that platform) as you could see.

That other platforms are available, doesn't alter the intent to restrict the platform and control the narrative. 

[hypochondriac]

42 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed. 

The point still being missed is that pushing for the booting of someone prominent, after threats to the broadcaster, is as obvious an attempt to restrict speech via that platform (and clip the wings of that platform) as you could see.

That other platforms are available, doesn't alter the intent to restrict the platform and control the narrative. 

So banning Trump on twitter was an infringement of his free speech rights ?

[whelk]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

If Kimmel were put in jail to prevent what he's saying then I'd wholeheartedly agree his free speech is in jeopardy. He's free to tweet exactly what he said on telly now if he wanted. He could put it on YouTube and probably get multiple millions of eyeballs on him immediately.

Fucking hell you need to get some balance to whatever feeds that come your way. 

[whelk]

2 hours ago, egg said:

Jeez. You don't get this do you. 

No, he absolutely doesn’t because he is partisan and you can predict every time where his view will lie

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, whelk said:

Fucking hell you need to get some balance to whatever feeds that come your way. 

How many times? I don't think he should have been kicked off ABC. I don't think someone should use dodgy dealings to get someone booted off a TV network. I don't believe that someone doing that- even though I disagree with it- is a removal of someone's right to speech. It's a removal of his ability to speak on ABC which isn't the same thing.

Edited 1 hour ago by hypochondriac

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

No, he absolutely doesn’t because he is partisan and you can predict every time where his view will lie

Sad. I thought you could see the nuance.

[whelk]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Sad. I thought you could see the nuance.

I can see your style and in many ways respect it. Never too committal and give some balance and measure but it is nearly always clear where your sympathy lies. There are so many sinister moves by this Trump administration.

what do you think of this? I will admit - very much Democrats sympathisers https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdpYbSuw/

[hypochondriac]

47 minutes ago, whelk said:

I can see your style and in many ways respect it. Never too committal and give some balance and measure but it is nearly always clear where your sympathy lies. There are so many sinister moves by this Trump administration.

what do you think of this? I will admit - very much Democrats sympathisers https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdpYbSuw/

I just prefer to save cries of free speech loss when it's actually someone losing their freedom of speech and not just being booted off a TV network even if it is in a potentially underhanded manner. That's a more interesting discussion for me than just pages and pages of how evil Trump is.

I consider Trump to be a largely clownish cartoony figure but in my opinion the major reason he was elected was due to the problems with the opposition. It really should not have been difficult to keep him out after the last time but amazingly they managed to fuck it up so much of this is on them and a bit of introspection from the Democrats would be a welcome thing if they want to get in next time.

Unfortunately I don't have tiktok on my phone so it doesn't open. I listen to a lot of those types of podcasts fairly regularly even though I disagree often with a lot of the presentere because I think it's healthy to listen to what people you disagree with are saying. It's one reason for hanging out in the lounge on here. I disagree with you all the time but you often make decent points that I can appreciate.