gjphilsaint Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 ... before we make a informed judgement.." Thus spoke many in the early weeks as Saints spluttered and flayed... I know these threads have long since deleted... but I would really like those who insisted on waiting until... well..... NOW.... before giving their prognosis about gelling... etc etc... So as Saints stand SECOND FROM BOTTOM of the CCC with THE WORST GOAL DIFFERENCE OF ANY TEAM IN THE DIVISION, having only WON 1 LEAGUE GAME AT HOME ALL SEASON... May I ask these people who needed time... just how do you think we are doing and what do you think is going to happen. Or should we all just wait until Easter (with our heads in the sand, like many have since August)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 ... before we make a informed judgement.." Thus spoke many in the early weeks as Saints spluttered and flayed... I know these threads have long since deleted... but I would really like those who insisted on waiting until... well..... NOW.... before giving their prognosis about gelling... etc etc... So as Saints stand SECOND FROM BOTTOM of the CCC with THE WORST GOAL DIFFERENCE OF ANY TEAM IN THE DIVISION, having only WON 1 LEAGUE GAME AT HOME ALL SEASON... May I ask these people who needed time... just how do you think we are doing and what do you think is going to happen. Or should we all just wait until Easter (with our heads in the sand, like many have since August)? LOL. Spot on. Wonder how many will come forth and admit they were wrong ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven on the wing Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 The sad fact is that everything that has happened to us this season was obvious to anyone with a remote clue about ccc football. Our "visionary chairman" regretably not only does not understand the game, but labours under the mis apprehension that he is the "chosen one" - God help us !! Unfortunately the 2 results against Reading ( who try to play passing football ), are not representative of the league, and we are stuffed by the lump it merchants on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 I think that the statistics speak for themselfs. We are on the worst start to a season EVER IN OUR HISTORY. Thanks for that Rupert. No doubt there will be those on here who say hes our only option and how well we are doing etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 The Nick's will tell us it still needs some time :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 I think that the statistics speak for themselfs. We are on the worst start to a season EVER IN OUR HISTORY. Thanks for that Rupert. No doubt there will be those on here who say hes our only option and how well we are doing etc. Lol. When does a start become a middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 The Nick's will tell us it still needs some time :shock: or we have no money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 No comment on the board, but despite the poor results I am enjoying watching a load of youngsters out there trying their hardest to play good football. Today was a superb game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Lol. When does a start become a middle Ok let me put it another way. We have had the worst start to a season ever and the middle of the season is going the same way,as i suspect it will be the same for the last part as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 No comment on the board, but despite the poor results I am enjoying watching a load of youngsters out there trying their hardest to play good football. Today was a superb game. No doubt we will play pretty football against Southend as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Maybe, but I would rather struggle for results with a load of kids playing good football than struggle with a load of experienced pros playing hoofball like a large part of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 The Nick's will tell us it still needs some time :shock: Which reminds me, where have Somedunce and Scooby disappeared to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Maybe, but I would rather struggle for results with a load of kids playing good football than struggle with a load of experienced pros playing hoofball like a large part of last season. But PP,last season we stayed up(just). This season playing how we have been and with clueless JP in charge,we have no chance of staying in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Maybe, but I would rather struggle for results with a load of kids playing good football than struggle with a load of experienced pros playing hoofball like a large part of last season. I watched every home match last season and do not recall us playing hoofball at all. This is the usual spin that is put up by those making comparisons between the ageing journeymen of last season who couldn't really give a toss and the youngsters, proud to wear the shirt, energetic, enthusiastic, playing attractive passing football...........but not quite good enough to get us three points at home. Give me last season's players every time and the number of home wins that went with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Maybe, but I would rather struggle for results with a load of kids playing good football than struggle with a load of experienced pros playing hoofball like a large part of last season.Agree in part but unfortunately it's a results driven business and we're in the bottom three on merit. One win at home this season is a poor return and is hardly going to encourage the many floating fans to return. JP (or a new manager) will need to do some wheeling and dealing during the Jan transfer window to add some steel and fire power to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Which reminds me, where have Somedunce and Scooby disappeared to? Somedunce said something about a holiday anyway he only posts when most have gone to bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Somedunce said something about a holiday anyway he only posts when most have gone to bed To be fair he starts his posts mid afternoon. It just takes until everyone has gone to bed for him to finish them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Maybe, but I would rather struggle for results with a load of kids playing good football than struggle with a load of experienced pros playing hoofball like a large part of last season. Then stick around, and you will almost certainly get to see something else - the spectacle of this club going out of business faster than a Woolworth's closing sale.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Then stick around, and you will almost certainly get to see something else - the spectacle of this club going out of business faster than a Woolworth's closing sale.......... Keep up, it's Adams now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 To be fair he starts his posts mid afternoon. It just takes until everyone has gone to bed for him to finish them i suppose it takes time to phone his leader and decide wether it is lunatic fringe, flat caps or peasants he will be having a pop at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Well, I haven't really said much on the subject, but now we're at the half way point i'll admit, i'm sh!tting bricks. Um, we have no money and it still needs time, but then I :weedman: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Those who wanted time and gave comments of wait until xmas were referring to xmas 2012 as part of the five year plan...So bit of patience required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Those who wanted time and gave comments of wait until xmas were referring to xmas 2012 as part of the five year plan...So bit of patience required. Xmas 2012? Most people know that Xmas will never happen, well, at least not for 95% of the worlds population Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glkdcdes Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 I am not saying this with the benefit of hindsite as my posts at the time can show, i also said that i felt Pearson would do very well. So i have 2 questions i would love to have answers for. 1. If we just missed relegation last season on the last day of the season with an inspiring manager, can any one put up a plausible [not an unrealistic optomistic] explanation as to why we wont be relegated. 2. If it was obvious to me and many others [and i dont pretend to be a football expert]that we would struggle and probably be relegated with Lowes pre season decisions, why did he make these decisions [please dont say financial restraints made them necessay because that would mean he could only make this one policy.ie. cheap manager only youth etc.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponto1963 Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 I must admit I've given up caring. I hope we stay up, and I hope my boys (twins) will be proud to follow Saints in the future. But I no longer check the results regularly, nor listen to the games on the radio. Too depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 Most of us have written off the season now and are resigned to football in the next division down. Unfortunately the situation will be the same next season in a lower division...unless Lowe either leaves or changes direction and fires our Dutch trio. What they cannot see is that the financial situation will only get worse as gates dwindle in lower divisions. It needs a brave leadership and change of direction for SFC to survive. Under Lowe this will not happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 LOL. Spot on. Wonder how many will come forth and admit they were wrong ? No-one's conclusively wrong until the end of the season. And if we avoid the drop by the odd point or the odd goal we'll have done as well as last year with a bunch of inexperienced kids. We may well fail, but at least most of them are putting in the effort. Do you ski? Or do you just assume that you'd fall and break both legs and therefore not bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 Most of us have written off the season now and are resigned to football in the next division down. Unfortunately the situation will be the same next season in a lower division...unless Lowe either leaves or changes direction and fires our Dutch trio. What they cannot see is that the financial situation will only get worse as gates dwindle in lower divisions. It needs a brave leadership and change of direction for SFC to survive. Under Lowe this will not happen. Yup, I agree completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 Last year all the cyber jockeys on here were saying give the kids a game, they can't do any worse. LOL We struggled last season with an experienced manager and experienced players and stayed up on th elast day of the season. Did anyone really think this season would be any better with a new set up and reliance on youth? This isn't going to work overnight. It might not work at all. But if they have put a three year plan in place then we will only know how successful it has been after three years. As fo being "wrong" Alpine. If you play black at roulette every spin you will be "right" on occasions. You come on every day and are negative every day and, with the nature of clubs like SFC you will be "right" by default on occasions. I don't recall anyone with any semblance of intelligence (including anyone at the club) saying we were going to set the league alight this season, so how exactly were people "wrong"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 Keep up, it's Adams now They have Woolworths in Austria too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabbageFace Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 LOL. Spot on. Wonder how many will come forth and admit they were wrong ? You could by saying Burley was a good manager, pr1cktoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 You could by saying Burley was a good manager, pr1cktoid. LOL, nice one. But Alpine will never back track on his views about Burley. In his world things were much better when we were nearly relegated after Burley left and making the play offs was pure luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 The table does not lie. Our home form is just dreadful. When all the changes happened in the summer, I talked about a short honeymoon. The honeymoon was over long before christmas. The supporters and the manager/board are seemingly heading for a messy divorce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 Last year all the cyber jockeys on here were saying give the kids a game, they can't do any worse. LOL They were, but they didn't mean all at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabbageFace Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 The table does not lie. Our home form is just dreadful. When all the changes happened in the summer, I talked about a short honeymoon. The honeymoon was over long before christmas. The supporters and the manager/board are seemingly heading for a messy divorce. We need a witch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mewsta Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 I was one of those people and I have to admit I was VERY wrong!! I hold my hands up and at the moment can't see how the hell we're gonna get out of this!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 I really dont know what to make of yesterdays performance just as I make up my mind that we have got to change things to survive we put in a great performance against a very good Reading side the point has been well made that they are a PASSING side that play football and we do much better against these teams a bigger stronger more direct style we struggle against. I cant make up my mind if I want a change I think we are going down under the current manager but will anyone else be able to do any better with the players we have got we have played some nice football but this is a results business and the table dont lie. I cant see lord Lowe admitting he got it wrong so I guess we wil sink or swim with what we have got UTS ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 No-one's conclusively wrong until the end of the season. And if we avoid the drop by the odd point or the odd goal we'll have done as well as last year with a bunch of inexperienced kids. We may well fail, but at least most of them are putting in the effort. Do you ski? Or do you just assume that you'd fall and break both legs and therefore not bother? Hmmm and waiting till the end of the season will achieve what? There is no doubt we are well and truly Fooked ..NOW. Any chance of saving the season is almost gone...we do have enough games left to turn things around...but not with the Dutch trio or Lowe at the helms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's There Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 We don't need a change of manager- we need a coupe of quality loans who can score, and then then the neat passing will reap results....but then again i could be wrong! Whatever, it's going to be a long season. Mind you, other teams are also quite dire: Norwich, Derby, Forest, Doncaster and especially Charlton. I reckon we've still got a good chance of staying up!...but then again I could be wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 No-one's conclusively wrong until the end of the season. And if we avoid the drop by the odd point or the odd goal we'll have done as well as last year with a bunch of inexperienced kids. We may well fail, but at least most of them are putting in the effort. Do you ski? Or do you just assume that you'd fall and break both legs and therefore not bother? As we are now over halfway through the season, it is a reasonable time to make an assessment. As things stand, we are currently 9 points adrift of our total to this time last season and had managed 4 home wins to boot. Whereas the only statistic that matters is the final total after every game has been played, that shortfall is indicative of the decline we have suffered as a result of Lowe's bizarre experiment with JP. And I applaud your analogy, which is extremely apt, as we are going downhill fast and need to brace ourselves for a fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 We don't need a change of manager- we need a coupe of quality loans who can score, and then then the neat passing will reap results....but then again i could be wrong! Whatever, it's going to be a long season. Mind you, other teams are also quite dire: Norwich, Derby, Forest, Doncaster and especially Charlton. I reckon we've still got a good chance of staying up!...but then again I could be wrong! How about Stern John? Or that fella at Watford Rasiak? He scored a hatful a couple of seasons back. Assuming they're out of our league , I'd go for Manucho from Man U (needs games), Sturridge or Evans from Man C (presuming they spend big in January and the youngsters won't get a look in), or Vela from Arsenal (unlikely but you ****ing owe us for Theo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 And I applaud your analogy, which is extremely apt, as we are going downhill fast and need to brace ourselves for a fall. Or we've got that point in the ski-jump where you've got your arms by your sides, your eyes closed and you fly off the edge... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGH. Do we land on our feet or on our arse? Watch this space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 I'm disappointed to have to say the whole experiment is very much in danger of taking us into league 1. It's a real shame because this year I'd settle for safety gained playing attractive football rather than kicking lumps out of people on our way to the play-offs. As I can't see anything changing I'll have to keep my fingers crossed that it works out that way. Can't see it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 I don't get this "experiment" thing about JP? He was a manager before with a track record in bringing on youth. Whether he is good or bad here, I would not say it is an experiement. If we can't afford to pay senior pro wages and have to bring on youth, wouldn't it make sense to use someone with that experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 I don't get this "experiment" thing about JP? He was a manager before with a track record in bringing on youth. Whether he is good or bad here, I would not say it is an experiement. If we can't afford to pay senior pro wages and have to bring on youth, wouldn't it make sense to use someone with that experience? If that experience was in this country yes I agree but not in the 2nd tier of Dutch football that is totally alien to the CC. As I have posted on many occasions we all know we had to rely on youth but there have been 5 or 6 stupid loan signings that could of been used on more experienced pro's like Perry, Lucketti to mix in and not totally reliant on young 16/17 year olds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 I don't recall anyone with any semblance of intelligence (including anyone at the club) saying we were going to set the league alight this season, so how exactly were people "wrong"? Well your memory needs a service then because there were plenty on here convinced we'd make the play-offs or at the very least finish comfortably mid table . My (extremely) low expectations for this season are a matter of record but if you'd told be after the glorious Sheffield Utd win last May I'd only see one more Saints victory at SMS during 2008 I would not have believed you . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 If that experience was in this country yes I agree but not in the 2nd tier of Dutch football that is totally alien to the CC. As I have posted on many occasions we all know we had to rely on youth but there have been 5 or 6 stupid loan signings that could of been used on more experienced pro's like Perry, Lucketti to mix in and not totally reliant on young 16/17 year olds. Double spot on, Ronaldo ! We have an abundance of our own dainty, young lads yet we sign people like Smith, Pekhart, Gasmi, Pulis and Robertson instead of ugly old brutes who know the score in this league and could undoubtedly help improve the age/experience balance! If this is so glaringly obvious to us then why in hell's name can JP and Rupsey just not get it ? The never ending party line of "we played well, we lost, but we're learning all the time" is not only wearing thin it's totally fecking threadbare !!! There are none so blind as those who will not see !!! Aaaargh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 [quote=Give it to Ron;147894 As I have posted on many occasions we all know we had to rely on youth but there have been 5 or 6 stupid loan signings that could of been used on more experienced pro's like Perry, Lucketti to mix in and not totally reliant on young 16/17 year olds. That I suspect is one of the few things that almost everyone who posts on here would agree with - loans and purchases. What an earth have Forecast, Pulis, Smith, Gasmi, Pekhart and Robertson brought to the party that we couldn't have got from, say, Bialkowski, Gobern, McLaggon, Thompson, Paterson and White. Uncontrovertibly no better than what we already have. Morgan and Corky - yes. Alex Pearce - probably.But swap all six of those I've mentioned above for one big experienced centre-back, or one goalscorer to play just in front of DMG, and we'd have IMO a stronger squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 That I suspect is one of the few things that almost everyone who posts on here would agree with - loans and purchases. What an earth have Forecast, Pulis, Smith, Gasmi, Pekhart and Robertson brought to the party that we couldn't have got from, say, Bialkowski, Gobern, McLaggon, Thompson, Paterson and White. Uncontrovertibly no better than what we already have. Morgan and Corky - yes. Alex Pearce - probably.But swap all six of those I've mentioned above for one big experienced centre-back, or one goalscorer to play just in front of DMG, and we'd have IMO a stronger squad. I agree, we have signed too much of the same as we had already - lightweight inexperienced youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 I really worry about how Jan is going to cope with a relegation battle, he has no experience of english football let alone the grit and muscle it takes to beat other teams in a similar position. The futures Dark when the futures orange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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