Ewell Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 Well that's the impression you get from the majority of threads I have viewed on here. We lost 1 game and very narrowly against a team that have picked up their form at home. They are also a team who are quite strong, comparably to us and would have been higher in the league if not for a dreadful start and competing in the UEFA cup. The criticism of our individual players is laughable, some people need to gain some perspective and have a quiet word with themselves. We are doing great, still competing in EVERY game despite the odd narrow defeat. We are Southampton, it will never be perfect but **** me why are so many complaining? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUS Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 You're wasting your e-Breath mate. It's never enough for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 The last time there was a General Election wewere in League 1. We had just missed out on the play offs (thanks to the minus 10 points) and knew that we had at least one more season coming up in League 1. Fast forward 5 years and we are beating ourselves up because we failed to win at Everton. Sometimes a sense of perspective is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 Most posters on here are clueless muppets, that's why they are always dripping & mithering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1576 Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 I don't normally remember Everton defending against us at home. Usually just beating us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 Most posters on here are clueless muppets, that's why they are always dripping & mithering. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 It's just born out of frustration at the fact that we just can't seem to find the right attacking formula at the moment. 4 goals in our last 9 games (discounting the og against Burnley) is very, very poor form. Everton have been poor this season defensively, but we just didn't give them enough to think about on Saturday because our attacking play is too slow and predictable at the moment, with a lack of quality in delivery into the box and a lack of players making runs into it to get on the end of anything. Our expectations were raised very high earlier in the season. We seemed to be scoring for fun up until December. Our defence is still doing its job, but as an attacking force we seem to have taken a massive step backwards. We're football fans, and we're fickle. We need things to cheer about, and we haven't been getting that very much in recent weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 We're football fans, and we're fickle. We need things to cheer about, and we haven't been getting that very much in recent weeks. Is the prospect of our highest finish in 30 years not something to cheer about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 Since the turn of the year we've looked pretty much like a midtable side. I think we're 11th in the recent form table and if you take away the Sunderland game we'd be about 15th in the 'goals for' column for the whole season. Nobody is denying we've had a good season but this team isn't beyond criticism the way they're playing at the moment. Since the new year Pelle, Davis, JWP, Djuricic and Long have scored once between them. That's a very poor return from 5 of our main attacking players however you dress it up. I haven't read too much on here I would consider unreasonable. Only the usual 3 or 4 idiots out of the hundreds of posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 I don't normally remember Everton defending against us at home. Usually just beating us. Got to say, I wasn't expecting any change out of Everton. I know we've turned them over a couple of times lately, once via a couple of own goals, but they aren't a side we regularly do well against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintAndy14 Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 The last time there was a General Election wewere in League 1. We had just missed out on the play offs (thanks to the minus 10 points) and knew that we had at least one more season coming up in League 1. Fast forward 5 years and we are beating ourselves up because we failed to win at Everton. Sometimes a sense of perspective is required. Very true. Good sometimes just to stop for a moment and reflect on an incredible 5 years. It's a great ride supporting The Saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 Fast forward 5 years and we are beating ourselves up because we failed to win at Everton. We can't keep referencing the past as to a reason why we shouldn't be unhappy with aspects of the current. In terms of the bigger picture things are amazing. But as supporters we don't go to games for anything other than the moment. We live, at most, a season at a time. And that is the way it should be. This season has been amazing but it is stuttering to an end. As a supporter we're quite entitled to wonder 'what if' and what it boils down to is as alluded to earlier we're good enough to be in every game but it getting the ball in the net which is stopping us from getting our rewards. That is incredibly frustrating and when you want to achieve as a fan you should be allowed to express that frustration. Our main / only striker hasn't scored in the league for 13 weeks now. We don't have any other strikers and our midfield don't score many these days either. Something is wrong and jumping on people who think it isn't good enough and undermines many of the things we do well is as unnecessary as those who declare it the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 Ewell, a lot of people on here are idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 (edited) We can't keep referencing the past as to a reason why we shouldn't be unhappy with aspects of the current. In terms of the bigger picture things are amazing. But as supporters we don't go to games for anything other than the moment. We live, at most, a season at a time. And that is the way it should be. This season has been amazing but it is stuttering to an end. As a supporter we're quite entitled to wonder 'what if' and what it boils down to is as alluded to earlier we're good enough to be in every game but it getting the ball in the net which is stopping us from getting our rewards. That is incredibly frustrating and when you want to achieve as a fan you should be allowed to express that frustration. Our main / only striker hasn't scored in the league for 13 weeks now. We don't have any other strikers and our midfield don't score many these days either. Something is wrong and jumping on people who think it isn't good enough and undermines many of the things we do well is as unnecessary as those who declare it the end of the world. There's nothing wrong with discussing the areas we need to improve, but there are plenty of uses of words like "awful", "appalling", which we're not, not even close. At the end of the day, we're playing good football, doing fine, it won't get much better for us, if fans don't enjoy it now, when will they? It's not likely to ever get better than this. Edited 6 April, 2015 by Sour Mash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 You ain't seen nothing yet. They're all just warming up their meltdown muscles for when the first player gets sold this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 Were Cortese still Chairman, how well would Koeman have faired at St Mary's? What would Cortese's reaction have been for the management team's excuses and failure to create goals since last December? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 There's nothing wrong with discussing the areas we need to improve, but there are plenty of uses of words like "awful", "appalling", which we're not, not even close. At the end of the day, we're playing good football, doing fine, it won't get much better for us, if fans don't enjoy it now, when will they? It's not likely to ever get better than this. I agree with the first bit but on here it appears you can only be at the extreme ends of either scale at times. Next season will be (relatively) very tough as we are likely to have a Europa League campaign to support which will negatively impact league form and also two / three of our best players will leave and it'll be 50/50 (as it always is) whether we can effectively replace them or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 I agree with the first bit but on here it appears you can only be at the extreme ends of either scale at times. Next season will be (relatively) very tough as we are likely to have a Europa League campaign to support which will negatively impact league form and also two / three of our best players will leave and it'll be 50/50 (as it always is) whether we can effectively replace them or not. It will be tough, but I also think every year we're in the Premier League we're learning how to be successful. Every year since we've been promoted has been a steep learning curve. This year has been all about competing with top four, and sustaining success. Every year we get stronger, even if personnel changes. And what a learning curve it's been for Koeman and team this year. He's inevitably going to be wiser and savvier next year. Saints are all about progress at the moment. We're slowly becoming an experienced club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 It will be tough, but I also think every year we're in the Premier League we're learning how to be successful. Every year since we've been promoted has been a steep learning curve. This year has been all about competing with top four, and sustaining success. Every year we get stronger, even if personnel changes. And what a learning curve it's been for Koeman and team this year. He's inevitably going to be wiser and savvier next year. Saints are all about progress at the moment. We're slowly becoming an experienced club. Yes completely agree........problem is the squad size and trying to fit square pegs in round holes i.e. Elia and Djuracic.......but so far has been a great season way beyond expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 7 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 7 April, 2015 I haven't read too much on here I would consider unreasonable. Only the usual 3 or 4 idiots out of the hundreds of posters. Well when you come onto the site the day after a defeat and read threads on selling Shane Long, dropping Pelle and JWP being **** then personally I'd say all 3 are quite unreasonable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 April, 2015 Share Posted 7 April, 2015 I wonder how the moaners would feel today if they supported City after the Palace game? There are no certainties in football and you can play a team of the park and still get beaten. True, the goals have dried up but isn't that more about teams no realising what a threat we are and playing deeper. Teams worked us out under Pochettino last year. The problem we have this year is that we don't have enough different options on the bench. Someone of Koeman's experience I am sure will look to remedy that next season. This is a growing process. Would you rather have one great season and then blow out and be rubbish or build on what we have for a sustainable future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 7 April, 2015 Share Posted 7 April, 2015 As long as we don't question our existence (hard to avoid I know), I see no problem in complaining about a defeat to Everton. Maybe we shouldn't have celebrated any of the goals we scored in L1 because we were in the PL 5 years before that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 7 April, 2015 Share Posted 7 April, 2015 I wonder how the moaners would feel today if they supported City after the Palace game? There are no certainties in football and you can play a team of the park and still get beaten. True, the goals have dried up but isn't that more about teams no realising what a threat we are and playing deeper. Teams worked us out under Pochettino last year. The problem we have this year is that we don't have enough different options on the bench. Someone of Koeman's experience I am sure will look to remedy that next season. This is a growing process. Would you rather have one great season and then blow out and be rubbish or build on what we have for a sustainable future? He will, but for that he needs to get real and stop with his "Midas touch" signings in Djuricic and Elia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 7 April, 2015 Share Posted 7 April, 2015 Got to say, I wasn't expecting any change out of Everton. I know we've turned them over a couple of times lately, once via a couple of own goals, but they aren't a side we regularly do well against. I also think Martinez is an excellent manager in a 'one-off' situation (I think he's quite good in general, but there are still question marks over some things). The international break gave him copious amounts of time to prepare specifically for a game against us, and as we are currently a side with limited options and ideas, that played into his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 7 April, 2015 Share Posted 7 April, 2015 I also think Martinez is an excellent manager in a 'one-off' situation (I think he's quite good in general, but there are still question marks over some things). The international break gave him copious amounts of time to prepare specifically for a game against us, and as we are currently a side with limited options and ideas, that played into his hands. oh come on- you can't give much credit surely to martinez for that win. isn't it obvious how to beat us- score a long shot/a classy finish/scrappy goal and then shut up shop completely? Right now, our attack isn't quite good enough to open up defences. Look back at our games: Swansea: Shelvey longshot West Ham: just couldn't get past defence Liverpool: Coutinho goal- if that didn't go in I believe we could have won West Brom: Berahino's volley was quality Everton: scrappy goal from a corner. It's that first goal- once someone scores the first goal against us- teams generally park the bus. Plus- not to forget Pelle missed open goal at WBA, Liverpool game we should've had a penalty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 April, 2015 Share Posted 7 April, 2015 oh come on- you can't give much credit surely to martinez for that win. isn't it obvious how to beat us- score a long shot/a classy finish/scrappy goal and then shut up shop completely? Right now, our attack isn't quite good enough to open up defences. Look back at our games: Swansea: Shelvey longshot West Ham: just couldn't get past defence Liverpool: Coutinho goal- if that didn't go in I believe we could have won West Brom: Berahino's volley was quality Everton: scrappy goal from a corner. It's that first goal- once someone scores the first goal against us- teams generally park the bus. Plus- not to forget Pelle missed open goal at WBA, Liverpool game we should've had a penalty... Yep, nick a goal and then hang onto it for dear life is the tactic that has worked against us, plus we have been a bit unlucky falling victim to some amazing strikes and unlucky drops of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 7 April, 2015 Share Posted 7 April, 2015 It's just born out of frustration at the fact that we just can't seem to find the right attacking formula at the moment. 4 goals in our last 9 games (discounting the og against Burnley) is very, very poor form. Everton have been poor this season defensively, but we just didn't give them enough to think about on Saturday because our attacking play is too slow and predictable at the moment, with a lack of quality in delivery into the box and a lack of players making runs into it to get on the end of anything. Our expectations were raised very high earlier in the season. We seemed to be scoring for fun up until December. Our defence is still doing its job, but as an attacking force we seem to have taken a massive step backwards. We're football fans, and we're fickle. We need things to cheer about, and we haven't been getting that very much in recent weeks. It isn't about being fickle. But I agree with the rest of what you say. It's about looking as though we can't score when back a few months it looked as though anyone might score. Is if forbidden on here to consider what we might do to be better? One hopes the management are now doing that, so the standard is kept up or improved next season, so the club doesn't accept the "this is the best it is likely a small club will get" mentality. Everyone already knows that we have done better than we expected before the season started. If that IS the last word then the forum might as well be closed until the start of next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 7 April, 2015 Share Posted 7 April, 2015 Yep, nick a goal and then hang onto it for dear life ...... ...because we know Southampton can't score.... We are encouraging the very tactic you are complaining about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 7 April, 2015 Share Posted 7 April, 2015 oh come on- you can't give much credit surely to martinez for that win. isn't it obvious how to beat us- score a long shot/a classy finish/scrappy goal and then shut up shop completely? Right now, our attack isn't quite good enough to open up defences. Not giving him all the credit, but was one of the reasons I was unsure of our chances, as well as that Goodison is not exactly a happy hunting ground. There are always turning points in the game, and 'what if' moments, but Everton have been poor at the back this season, yet they held out pretty well against us (excepting the odd wonder save) - some of that credit is down to the manager, even if it is apparently easy to beat us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 April, 2015 Share Posted 8 April, 2015 ...because we know Southampton can't score.... We are encouraging the very tactic you are complaining about. What are you going on about now? Of course our lack of firepower influences the decision, but it's also a sign of respect, I can't see Everton sitting so deep and time wasting against s**t teams that are also struggling to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 8 April, 2015 Share Posted 8 April, 2015 What are you going on about now? Of course our lack of firepower influences the decision, but it's also a sign of respect, I can't see Everton sitting so deep and time wasting against s**t teams that are also struggling to score. Once they go ahead I'd have thought that's pretty much what they'd do. So you agree our lack of firepower influences the decision. So you agree that once a team goes in front they can fairly confidently sit back and mass the defence. The point is that the lesser sides WILL do that. The better ones probably won't bother to do that. Without firepower and creativity we will therefore struggle against most other sides ESPECIALLY when we go behind. It didn't start out that way this season but it clearly is the case now. So carry on being happy losing or drawing winnable games while consoling your that at least the other side 'respected' us. When I played I can't remember our manager coming into the dressing room after yet another 0-0 or 0-1 and telling us everything was ok because the other side had respected us. You can't fix a problem unless you admit it is one. "Doesn't the Emperor look wonderful in his suit of clothes, he parades around showing off all his quality!" the onlookers all say. And the little boy says "But he's naked". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 April, 2015 Share Posted 8 April, 2015 Once they go ahead I'd have thought that's pretty much what they'd do. So you agree our lack of firepower influences the decision. So you agree that once a team goes in front they can fairly confidently sit back and mass the defence. The point is that the lesser sides WILL do that. The better ones probably won't bother to do that. Without firepower and creativity we will therefore struggle against most other sides ESPECIALLY when we go behind. It didn't start out that way this season but it clearly is the case now. So carry on being happy losing or drawing winnable games while consoling your that at least the other side 'respected' us. When I played I can't remember our manager coming into the dressing room after yet another 0-0 or 0-1 and telling us everything was ok because the other side had respected us. You can't fix a problem unless you admit it is one. "Doesn't the Emperor look wonderful in his suit of clothes, he parades around showing off all his quality!" the onlookers all say. And the little boy says "But he's naked". What's your point? Everyone agrees we've been struggling going forward for the last few months and its the one area we need to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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