Terrorist Attacks - WARNING: CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES

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1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't disagree, but it does give them that extra excuse to tailor their attacks towards Jews rather than the generally indiscriminate killings these cunts tend to perpetrate.

Indeed. It's plain that people determined to hurt or kill Jewish people will use the treatment of the people of Gaza (and the West Bank, and Lebanon) as an excuse for heinous attacks against innocent Jewish people. Very sad state of affairs. 

[sadoldgit]

Netanyahu laying the blame at the feet of the Australian PM for supporting a Palestinian state. Yet again he completely deliberately ignores the fact that his actions in Gaza and elsewhere have led to an increase in negativity against Israel. He doesn’t get to say whether Palestine exists or not, despite his best efforts to wipe Gaza off the planet.

[Lord Duckhunter]

16 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Netanyahu laying the blame at the feet of the Australian PM for supporting a Palestinian state. Yet again he completely deliberately ignores the fact that his actions in Gaza and elsewhere have led to an increase in negativity against Israel. He doesn’t get to say whether Palestine exists or not, despite his best efforts to wipe Gaza off the planet.

You’re loving it, aren’t you?

[iansums]

26 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Netanyahu laying the blame at the feet of the Australian PM for supporting a Palestinian state. Yet again he completely deliberately ignores the fact that his actions in Gaza and elsewhere have led to an increase in negativity against Israel. He doesn’t get to say whether Palestine exists or not, despite his best efforts to wipe Gaza off the planet.

Stop trying to justify the murder of 11 innocent civilians, you’re sick.

[iansums]

Remarkable and horrifying video now on X showing the gunmen for the whole of the incident.

[ChrisPY]

20 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Netanyahu laying the blame at the feet of the Australian PM for supporting a Palestinian state. Yet again he completely deliberately ignores the fact that his actions in Gaza and elsewhere have led to an increase in negativity against Israel. He doesn’t get to say whether Palestine exists or not, despite his best efforts to wipe Gaza off the planet.

What do you think Islam and individual Muslims should be doing to reduce the levels of extremism the world is currently seeing from people using that religion as a central force in their actions?

I’m personally reluctant to lay blame with a country/religion for actions of a few despite the motivation that some of their behaviour may create. However, given you’re taking an opposing approach, being clear that Israel has questions to answer (and conflating Judaism with the country), it’d be interesting to know what you think the people of Islam should be doing from within to dissuade the actions of extremists?

[east-stand-nic]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

All you had to do was stop there!

you vile human

As I have said many times and been destroyed for it, he is a Muslim terrorist supporter/sympathiser. He will not have anything said bad about them. Perhaps one day the world will wake up. They hate us. They want to rule or destroy us. He loves them and hates Jews. He is a nazi fascist.

[ChrisPY]

4 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

As I have said many times and been destroyed for it, he is a Muslim terrorist supporter/sympathiser. He will not have anything said bad about them. Perhaps one day the world will wake up. They hate us. They want to rule or destroy us. He loves them and hates Jews. He is a nazi fascist.

Isn’t that as bizarre as suggesting all Jews are responsible for the actions of some Jews who clearly hate Muslims?

[sadoldgit]

8 minutes ago, ChrisPY said:

What do you think Islam and individual Muslims should be doing to reduce the levels of extremism the world is currently seeing from people using that religion as a central force in their actions?

I’m personally reluctant to lay blame with a country/religion for actions of a few despite the motivation that some of their behaviour may create. However, given you’re taking an opposing approach, being clear that Israel has questions to answer (and conflating Judaism with the country), it’d be interesting to know what you think the people of Islam should be doing from within to dissuade the actions of extremists?

If you pay attention you would understand that there are many religious leaders on both sides of the divide who are desperately working for peace. Sadly the hawks on both sides don’t want peace. This isn’t just about aggression from Hamas/Islam, but I am sure that you understand that.

Yes they are using their religion for their own ends. What about those in Netanyahu’s government who are using their religion to displace people from their homes in the West Bank. We have been saying this for years, this is not about one side in white hats and one in black hats. Both sides believe that they are right and that their actions are justified. Both sides have warmongers and both sides have those who just want to live peacefully alongside the other. There is clearly no easy solution to this conflict but as long as you have extremists on both sides who are just intent on killing each other there will be no way out. This includes Netanyahu’s government as much as it does Hamas and other extremist Muslim groups.

 

[ChrisPY]

Just now, sadoldgit said:

If you pay attention you would understand that there are many religious leaders on both sides of the divide who are desperately working for peace. Sadly the hawks on both sides don’t want peace. This isn’t just about aggression from Hamas/Islam, but I am sure that you understand that.

Yes they are using their religion for their own ends. What about those in Netanyahu’s government who are using their religion to displace people from their homes in the West Bank. We have been saying this for years, this is not about one side in white hats and one in black hats. Both sides believe that they are right and that their actions are justified. Both sides have warmongers and both sides have those who just want to live peacefully alongside the other. There is clearly no easy solution to this conflict but as long as you have extremists on both sides who are just intent on killing each other there will be no way out. This includes Netanyahu’s government as much as it does Hamas and other extremist Muslim groups.

 

I didn’t ask about what both sides could be doing. I wanted your views specifically on what those inside Islam can be doing as I’ve not yet seen that from you.
You’ve staunchly positioned yourself to one side but seem to believe you’re taking a balanced view.

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

If you pay attention you would understand that there are many religious leaders on both sides of the divide who are desperately working for peace. Sadly the hawks on both sides don’t want peace. This isn’t just about aggression from Hamas/Islam, but I am sure that you understand that.

Yes they are using their religion for their own ends. What about those in Netanyahu’s government who are using their religion to displace people from their homes in the West Bank. We have been saying this for years, this is not about one side in white hats and one in black hats. Both sides believe that they are right and that their actions are justified. Both sides have warmongers and both sides have those who just want to live peacefully alongside the other. There is clearly no easy solution to this conflict but as long as you have extremists on both sides who are just intent on killing each other there will be no way out. This includes Netanyahu’s government as much as it does Hamas and other extremist Muslim groups.

 

What if you drew a funny cartoon picture of the great prophet….?

[sadoldgit]

18 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

As I have said many times and been destroyed for it, he is a Muslim terrorist supporter/sympathiser. He will not have anything said bad about them. Perhaps one day the world will wake up. They hate us. They want to rule or destroy us. He loves them and hates Jews. He is a nazi fascist.

And you are probably the most stupid person ever to post on a football forum, and the bar is pretty low.

Finally though you have shown your true colours. Little wonder you get upset when the likes of Tommy Robinson get flak. You have gone properly Islamophobic. They hate us. They want to rule or destroy us. Do you ever listen to yourself? What an absolute twat you are. You actually make Donald Trump sound like a 5 year old rather than a toddler.

 

[The Kraken]

 

21 minutes ago, ChrisPY said:

I didn’t ask about what both sides could be doing. I wanted your views specifically on what those inside Islam can be doing as I’ve not yet seen that from you.
You’ve staunchly positioned yourself to one side but seem to believe you’re taking a balanced view.

Anyone who has seen his posts on Israel and Judaism knows exactly where he stands. Pretty sure he does too, despite the amount of deflection he employs.  It’s been pointed out so many times and yet even today we have two or three more conflations of Israeli/Jew, and any condemnation of the horrible act today gets met with the likes of “yeah but what about Netanyahu and those Jews?”.

Edited 4 hours ago by The Kraken

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

The levels of anti-Semitism have apparently risen since the attack on Gaza. Previous Islamic attack have mainly been against the general public. This seems that the Jewish community has been attacked specifically, but again, this is just speculation at the moment. 

The levels of anti-Semitism have risen since you started paying a fiver on here.

Straight in to victim blame.

[sadoldgit]

51 minutes ago, ChrisPY said:

I didn’t ask about what both sides could be doing. I wanted your views specifically on what those inside Islam can be doing as I’ve not yet seen that from you.
You’ve staunchly positioned yourself to one side but seem to believe you’re taking a balanced view.

If the great Donald Trump doesn’t know how do you expect me to? They could start, both sides by actually stop shooting at each other and stealing land that isn’t theirs.

Seriously though, do you actually read what I write? I have not taken the side of Hamas. I have taken the side of the innocent people in Gaza and the West Bank who have been and are being killed, maimed and displaced and have been for over two years now. Balanced view? How often have innocent Jewish people been killed since 7th October? How many have died in Gaza and the West Bank over the last two years?

The Israeli government are under investigation for committing genocide. Netanyahu has been accused of committing war crimes. I am on the side of innocent people and the innocent people under threat in the main are the occupants of Gaza and the West Bank. The only people who seem to have a problem with this are the people who hate Muslims, extremists or not.

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[ChrisPY]

5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

If the great Donald Trump doesn’t know how do you expect me to? Seriously though, do you actually read what I write? I have not taken the side of Hamas. I have taken the side of the innocent people in Gaza and the West Bank who have been and are being killed, maimed and displaced and have been for over two years now. The Israeli government are under investigation for committing genocide. Netanyahu has been accused of committing war crimes. I am on the side of innocent people and the innocent people under threat in the main are the occupants of Gaza and the West Bank. The only people who seem to have a problem with this are the people who hate Muslims, extremists or not.

The positioning of your support doesn’t come across as the innocent people of Gaza against the actions of Netanyahu and the Israeli military. It comes across as you siding with Islam agains Judaism.

I’m not the only person to have suggested this so if that’s not accurate, perhaps take another opportunity to be really clear about your thoughts on the attack in Australia.

[inspectorfrost]

6 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You’ve got to be one sick fucker to blame Isreal for this….

Which is exactly what the terrorists will inevitably do, as they are what you describe.

Netanyahu choosing this precise moment to bring up the issue of the Palestinian state recognition is nothing but deflection.

His recent statement is effectively blaming Australia for it. . .

Edited 3 hours ago by inspectorfrost

[hypochondriac]

My first visit on here today and the replies on here were oh so predictable.

[sadoldgit]

1 minute ago, ChrisPY said:

The positioning of your support doesn’t come across as the innocent people of Gaza against the actions of Netanyahu and the Israeli military. It comes across as you siding with Islam agains Judaism.

I’m not the only person to have suggested this so if that’s not accurate, perhaps take another opportunity to be really clear about your thoughts on the attack in Australia.

So every time I have mentioned  Netanyahu, his Government and the IDF you conflate that with all Jewish people? So you really haven’t been reading my posts. Go find the posts over the last few months where I blame Jews. Go find the posts where I support Islamic extremists.

My thoughts are clear about what happened today. Innocent people should not die because others in power chose violence to advance their agenda. Jews, Palestinians anyone you care to mention. I do not and never have supported Hamas or any other extremist Islamic organisation. Also I think that the actions of Netanyahu and his government  and their constant throwing around of the anti-Semitic card when it suits their purpose to deflect from their actions has made the Jewish people around the world less safe.

I can’t be clearer than that. If you feel the need to twist that to suit an imagined pro Islamic terrorist anti Jewish agenda like nutty nic, then I’m afraid you are just as deluded as he is.

Just to be extra clear, anybody using Christianity, Judaism or Islam to justify killing others, destroying their homes and taking their land  is doing so to satisfy their own sociopathic, warped world view. It has nothing to do with a God.

[ChrisPY]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

So every time I have mentioned  Netanyahu, his Government and the IDF you conflate that with all Jewish people? So you really haven’t been reading my posts. Go find the posts over the last few months where I blame Jews. Go find the posts where I support Islamic extremists.

My thoughts are clear about what happened today. Innocent people should not die because others in power chose violence to advance their agenda. Jews, Palestinians anyone you care to mention. I do not and never have supported Hamas or any other extremist Islamic organisation. Also I think that the actions of Netanyahu and his government  and their constant throwing around of the anti-Semitic card when it suits their purpose to deflect from their actions has made the Jewish people around the world less safe.

I can’t be clearer than that. If you feel the need to twist that to suit an imagined pro Islamic terrorist anti Jewish agenda like nutty nic, then I’m afraid you are just as deluded as he is.

Just to be extra clear, anybody using Christianity, Judaism or Islam to justify killing others, destroying their homes and taking their land  is doing so to satisfy their own sociopathic, warped world view. It has nothing to do with a God.

Appreciate the all encompassing answer.

In the most simplistic terms, who in your view is to blame for the attack in Australia?

[AlexLaw76]

[AlexLaw76]

18 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

My first visit on here today and the replies on here were oh so predictable.

[hypochondriac]

It's important at times like this to differentiate between the moderate, reasonable Muslims that are just like you and me and also the extremist Muslims that commit attacks against those of other religions. Unfortunately there's a significant amount of the latter who commit proportionatly loads more terrorist attacks of this nature than any other religion. Once again we are talking about Islamic extremism and unfortunately it's innocent Jewish people again who are on the receiving end of this medieval barbarism.

Edited 3 hours ago by hypochondriac

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17 minutes ago, ChrisPY said:

Appreciate the all encompassing answer.

In the most simplistic terms, who in your view is to blame for the attack in Australia?

Therein lies the issue in the debate - people focusing on a single position, making statements and asking questions relevant to just that position. The most simplistic answer is the perpetrator, but I'm not sure where establishing that takes things. 

[sadoldgit]

The hero has been named as Ahmed al Ahmed. He is in hospital with bullet wounds to his arm and hand.

Death toll now up to 16 including a child.

[badgerx16]

if opposing Netanyahu is anti-semitic, ( his words ), then is opposing Starmer anti-British ?

[sadoldgit]

36 minutes ago, ChrisPY said:

Appreciate the all encompassing answer.

In the most simplistic terms, who in your view is to blame for the attack in Australia?

In the most simplistic terms the people pulling the triggers. In the real world there will be a reason why they pulled the triggers. Isn’t that’s what’s important? Motive?

All we have been told is that it is a terrorist attack so far. Not who is behind it but it seems as if you have already made up your mind.

Edited 2 hours ago by sadoldgit
Typo

[inspectorfrost]

17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

It's important at times like this to differentiate between the moderate, reasonable Muslims that are just like you and me and also the extremist Muslims that commit attacks against those of other religions. Unfortunately there's a significant amount of the latter who commit proportionatly loads more terrorist attacks of this nature than any other religion. Once again we are talking about Islamic extremism and unfortunately it's innocent Jewish people again who are on the receiving end of this medieval barbarism.

Think I read earlier the guy who disarmed one of the terrorists is a Muslim. Quite a symbolic vision in terms of the very best and the very worst coming together.

Doesn't help given the number of Islamic countries we've invaded or got too involved in the politics of in the last few decades proportionately to countries of other religions. It's not a justification for anything like this but a tragic inevitability.

 

[inspectorfrost]

13 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

if opposing Netanyahu is anti-semitic, ( his words ), then is opposing Starmer anti-British ?

Someone might be able to provide a link otherwise, but a look on google and BN's response is purely about policy and creed. The victims barely get a mention.

Edited 2 hours ago by inspectorfrost

[badgerx16]

13 minutes ago, inspectorfrost said:

Someone might be able to provide a link otherwise, but a look on google and BN's response is purely about policy and creed. The victims barely get a mention.

He blamed Australia's decision to recognise a Palestinian state.

[Gloucester Saint]

13 minutes ago, inspectorfrost said:

Someone might be able to provide a link otherwise, but a look on google and BN's response is purely about policy and creed. The victims barely get a mention.

BN doesn’t give a shit about the victims of the Bondi attack - just a pathetic excuse to score points off the Australian PM at a dreadful time for that country.

BN is a waste of oxygen, and almost as vile as the Bondi attackers themselves. A huge part of problem overall. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

He blamed Australia's decision to recognise a Palestinian state.

Which is pathetic and indefensible from BN but blinded by hatred like all extremists. 

[hypochondriac]

27 minutes ago, inspectorfrost said:

Think I read earlier the guy who disarmed one of the terrorists is a Muslim. Quite a symbolic vision in terms of the very best and the very worst coming together.

Doesn't help given the number of Islamic countries we've invaded or got too involved in the politics of in the last few decades proportionately to countries of other religions. It's not a justification for anything like this but a tragic inevitability.

 

That's bollocks to suggest the west is at fault for terror attacks. Extremist versions of Islam hate us simply for existing. They see kindness as weakness to be taken advantage of.

[whelk]

Some of you apologists must be baffled by previous Islamic terror attacks prior to October 2023.

[Gloucester Saint]

5 minutes ago, whelk said:

Some of you apologists must be baffled by previous Islamic terror attacks prior to October 2023.

Nobody is disputing that the attackers are vile and Islam has a massive problem with radicalisation. But equally, BN blaming the attack on Australia recognising a Palestinian state is vile at a moment when he and his cabinet should be purely focused on condolences. A 2 state solution is the only way out this global mess.

Hate is driving an ongoing cycle of violence and the polarisation is a huge part of that. 

[sadoldgit]

27 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

BN doesn’t give a shit about the victims of the Bondi attack - just a pathetic excuse to score points off the Australian PM at a dreadful time for that country.

BN is a waste of oxygen, and almost as vile as the Bondi attackers themselves. A huge part of problem overall. 

He didn’t give a shit about the hostages either.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

So every time I have mentioned  Netanyahu, his Government and the IDF you conflate that with all Jewish people

That’s exactly what you do over and over, on here and on the Isreal thread. You’ve been called out dozens and dozens of times by various different posters. Somewhat predictably, you’ve high jacked today’s horrific events  to spout your anti Jewish hatred. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

It's important at times like this to differentiate between the moderate, reasonable Muslims that are just like you and me and also the extremist Muslims that commit attacks against those of other religions. Unfortunately there's a significant amount of the latter who commit proportionatly loads more terrorist attacks of this nature than any other religion. Once again we are talking about Islamic extremism and unfortunately it's innocent Jewish people again who are on the receiving end of this medieval barbarism.

Spot on. 
 

There’s far too many Muslims willing to kill non believers and far too many willing to condone & even celebrate these killings. As you’ve said it’s medieval barbarism which has no justification. 

[sadoldgit]

33 minutes ago, whelk said:

Some of you apologists must be baffled by previous Islamic terror attacks prior to October 2023.

I don’t see anyone apologists for terror attacks. I do see some people who understand that either side have been killing each other for years  and I see some people who think that one side is responsible for all of the atrocities and the other side is completely at liberty to do what they want in retaliation.

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2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Spot on. 
 

There’s far too many Muslims willing to kill non believers and far too many willing to condone & even celebrate these killings. As you’ve said it’s medieval barbarism which has no justification. 

You talk as if it's one way. It isn't.

I haven't read anyone condoning these killings. Acknowledging that it'll happen isn't condonation. 

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Spot on. 
 

There’s far too many Muslims willing to kill non believers and far too many willing to condone & even celebrate these killings. As you’ve said it’s medieval barbarism which has no justification. 

No-one's justifying it - absolutely no-one - however much you want that to be the truth.

Edited 1 hour ago by Farmer Saint

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I don’t see anyone apologists for terror attacks. I do see some people who understand that either side have been killing each other for years  and I see some people who think that one side is responsible for all of the atrocities and the other side is completely at liberty to do what they want in retaliation.

This really does reinforce your complete myopia and utter inability to look at issues objectively outside of your own bigotry. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

No-one's justifying it - absolutely no-one - however much you want that to be the truth.

Yep. I repeat my comment above - some people are focusing on a single position, making statements and asking questions relevant to just that position. 

[whelk]

14 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I don’t see anyone apologists for terror attacks. I do see some people who understand that either side have been killing each other for years  and I see some people who think that one side is responsible for all of the atrocities and the other side is completely at liberty to do what they want in retaliation.

What was the side of the innocent people in Bondi?

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6 minutes ago, whelk said:

What was the side of the innocent people in Bondi?

The same side as every innocent person who's gotten in the way of criminals , terrorists, rogue regimes, etc since the dawn of time. 

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

The same side as every innocent person who's gotten in the way of criminals , terrorists, rogue regimes, etc since the dawn of time. 

The question was to SOG’s post about ‘either side’ that he clearly sees it as a side thing.

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Some of you apologists must be baffled by previous Islamic terror attacks prior to October 2023.

There has been a rise in antisemitism and Islamophobia since the Israel Gaza war- that’s just a fact. 

[egg]

Just now, whelk said:

The question was to SOG’s post about ‘either side’ that he clearly sees it as a side thing.

Indeed, and my point is that victims are often not on any side, and I don't read SoG as suggesting they were.

[Farmer Saint]

Father & Son - as I have previously said one of the main issues is around the indoctrination and radicalisation of impressionable youngsters.

Edited 58 minutes ago by Farmer Saint

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed, and my point is that victims are often not on any side, and I don't read SoG as suggesting they were.

Ok so who is the opposing side to the perpetrators of the attack today?

Edited 59 minutes ago by whelk