Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[Sir Ralph]

5 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Angry 😂 not at all mush just making sure others know exactly what kind of person you are……. Vile

The welfare budget has no effect on me at all but I have compassion for those less fortunate especially children 

So what about reducing the welfare budget to reduce abuse of it and reduce the number of people that get assistance that don’t need it is “vile”. Shaming people who have different political views from lefties is an old tradition that has now been called out so that’s unfortunate. You now have to answer with real reasons not stupid and unfounded accusations.

[badgerx16]

21 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

So what about reducing the welfare budget to reduce abuse of it and reduce the number of people that get assistance that don’t need it is “vile”. Shaming people who have different political views from lefties is an old tradition that has now been called out so that’s unfortunate. You now have to answer with real reasons not stupid and unfounded accusations.

How does reducing the welfare budget reduce abuse of the system ? Is the logic as follows ; If the welfare budget was £100M and fraud was 3%, then the amount of fraud is £3M, however if you cut the budget to £90m the amount of fraud would be £2.7M, so reduced by £300K.

The main issue with the system is the administration needs to do 2 things better; firstly better validation of claims to screen out potentially fraudulent claims, and secondly, better fraud investigation and reporting procedures.

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[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, egg said:

"Cut welfare" is an easy headline. You're just making noise.

You need to explain what you actually mean. No child benefit? No benefits for people who can't work? No benefits to help people who are between jobs and actually looking for work? No state pension? Etc. 

Welfare spending increased by £334 billion this year! Some of the reasons for this include disability benefits and increases in universal credit and working age support. Circa 12% of government spending is on working age benefits. 10% of government spending is on eduction. Just think about that for a minute and what that says about our priorities as a country 
 

1. Reduce disability claims in particular an increase in young people claiming benefits for health and disability related matters. I believe the threshold for claiming such benefits is too low.  People go into GPs and say that they have ADHD or alike, get a GP sign off and get hundreds of pounds a month. I know people who could easily do desk based jobs who have lived very well off the welfare state for years without lifting a finger. The government have acknowledged this as a concern but it needs to be addressed. The threshold for obtaining benefits for having a disability are too low and the GP tests should be more rigorous. 

2. The recent increase in the two child cap should be restored. People that can’t afford more than two children shouldn’t have them. I know people that don’t have two kids or more cause they can’t afford them and are responsible people. Why should they work hard, pay tax and not have the extra kids they would like to have whereas other people can because the state will cover them

3. I would also remove the triple lock to reduce the pension liability. 

Lastly, as I understand it, in some circumstances if you refuse work your benefits can be reduced. There are some people on benefits that aren’t in work. What I don’t understand is why there isn’t a government programme for these people to do work in the local community to justify their welfare payments. Even if the programme was cost neutral at least it would give those people structure within some form of working environment.  Maybe this is a naive suggestion for legal reasons….
 

Heres another idea - cut the welfare budget and use it to give tax breaks to firms who employ more younger people who were otherwise unemployed. Again whilst possobly cost neutral up front those young people are more likely to become tax payers in the future rather than state reliant.
 

I often hear from certain people on this forum cries of anguish whenever welfare cuts are mentioned but rarely an acknowledgment that this is possible.  Maybe they think we should spend more on working age benefits than education of kids that would lift them into employment and out of poverty - a proactive rather than reactive system

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[Sir Ralph]

22 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

How does reducing the welfare budget reduce abuse of the system ? Is the logic as follows ; If the welfare budget was £100M and fraud was 3%, then the amount of fraud is £3M, however if you cut the budget to £90m the amount of fraud would be £2.7M, so reduced by £300K.

The main issue with the system is the administration needs to do 2 things better; firstly better validation of claims to screen out potentially fraudulent claims, and secondly, better fraud investigation and reporting procedures.

I agree that’s one of the ways you reduce the budget. The thresholds for claiming disability and health benefits are, in my experience, too low with more and more people taking advantage. Possibly not therefore all fraudulent claims

[whelk]

Why the fuck is the UK welfare system being discussed on a Trump thread?

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

Why the fuck is the UK welfare system being discussed on a Trump thread?

Tarrifs?

[Sir Ralph]

13 minutes ago, whelk said:

Why the fuck is the UK welfare system being discussed on a Trump thread?

Thats a “wel-fare” comment

[Farmer Saint]

43 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Welfare spending increased by £334 billion this year! 

Welfare spending increased by £334 billion? Where the fuck did you get that figure from? More asking AI to do your homework for you I guess.

The fact that you think it increased by 1.5 times the budget of the NHS shows you have no fucking grasp of figures and/or the ability to verify your very dodgy figures.

What a chump.

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[Sir Ralph]

23 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Welfare spending increased by £334 billion? Where the fuck did you get that figure from? More asking AI to do your homework for you I guess.

The fact that you think it increased by 1.5 times the budget of the NHS shows you have no fucking grasp of figures and/or the ability to verify your very dodgy figures.

What a chump.

Send me a photo of your bookshelf again. 

Meant to say increased “to”. Not like you to pick up on a single wording error but miss the main point. So you support welfare spending in excess of education spending then. Ok. Of course I googled the welfare budget figure, like I have that stashed in my brain.

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[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Meant to say increased “to”. 

Too funny you getting stuff wrong over and over and over and over and over...

Tell me again about your Dubai mates who are worried about their kids inheritance.

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[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Again you ignore the main point but that’s just you. From this I take you agree with welfare spending being in excess of education. What a guy!

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[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

Again you ignore the main point but that’s just you. Hard day working on the “board”? 🤣

On the farm today. Non-exec is not a full time job you know.

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[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Again you ignore the main point but that’s just you. From this I take you agree with welfare spending being in excess of education. What a guy!

No, I've always said welfare spending is too high. What I don't do is ask Google to create arguments for me and then don't fact check it. You've been accused of doing it before, and you've done it again.

You're just a fool.

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[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

On the farm today. Non-exec is not a full time job you know.

I really don’t care. Like zilch.

From your avoidance of the question I take you agree welfare spending should be in excess of education. What a guy. 

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

I really don’t care. Like zilch.

From your avoidance of the question I take you agree welfare spending should be in excess of education. What a guy. 

I've answered you gimp.

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

No, I've always said welfare spending is too high. What I don't do is ask Google to create arguments for me and then don't fact check it. You've been accused of doing it before, and you've done it again.

You're just a fool.

Ok great we agree. You think I’m a fool and I don’t care. I think you have an overflated ego and tell people too much about yourself that it’s not believable and screams for attention. From experience of working with people that are truly successful none of them would act like this. Cheerio

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I really don’t care. Like zilch.

Then don't ask maybe?

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

Ok great we agree. You think I’m a fool and I don’t care. I think you have an overflated ego and tell people too much about yourself that it’s not believable and screams for attention. From experience of working with people that are truly successful none of them would act like this. Cheerio

I've said nothing for a long time, you're the envious one who keeps bringing it up.

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

I've said nothing for a long time, you're the envious one who keeps bringing it up.

This is pointless - let’s end it now 

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[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

Yes I’m very envious of you 🤣

You keep bringing it up, then say you're not interested. It's either that or you're just obsessed...

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[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

This is pointless - let’s end it now 

Embarrassed for you mate, you make a mistake and then just go on the attack. You just can't take being proved wrong again and again.

[Sir Ralph]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Embarrassed for you mate, you make a mistake and then just go on the attack. You just can't take being proved wrong again and again.

I know I can’t take it. It makes it even more painful that I’m obsessed with you (you’re sort of like a hero to me, particularly being a titan of industry) and you shun me every time. I’m looking for validation from you. Must have been something in my childhood. 

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[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I know I can’t take it. It makes it even more painful that I’m obsessed with you (you’re sort of like a hero to me, particularly being a titan of industry) and you shun me every time. I’m looking for validation from you. Must have been something in my childhood. 

Well, if you were like this as a kid I presume you had no friends then either. That'd do it for you I'd have thought.

Edited 1 hour ago by Farmer Saint