Russia

[badgerx16]

So now we will see how far to Hell this handcart is going to be driven.

 

Putin has known all along that the West ( NATO ) will not actually go "hot" for Ukraine, and the UN is impotent to act against a permanent menber of the Security Council. By his declaration this evening Putin can now legitimately move troops into the Donbas at the request of the "Governments" of the 2 republics.

Edited 21 February, 2022 by badgerx16

[AlexLaw76]

11 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

So now we will see how far to Hell this handcart is going to be driven.

 

Putin has known all along that the West ( NATO ) will not actually go "hot" for Ukraine, and the UN is impotent to act against a permanent menber of the Security Council. By his declaration this evening Putin can now legitimately move troops into the Donbas at the request of the "Governments" of the 2 republics.

And if that is relatively unopposed, then he can turn to his greater desire - full-on regime change in Kiev 

[Lighthouse]

So basically the Baltics are next, according to his interview.

[badgerx16]

The Baltic states are in NATO, different fish entirely.

Edited 21 February, 2022 by badgerx16

[AlexLaw76]

Once these new (pro Russian) areas are 'recognised', they will of course require significant assistance to secure their borders. Just by chance, Russia have a massive armed force very near by that can move in to help 

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The Baltic states are in NATO, different fish entirely.

He wants them though and he’s clearly enough of a loony to try his luck in a fight. If we go all ‘League of Nations’ over Ukraine, you can bet that’s where he will turn next. Why not go full Russian Empire? If he’s going to keep banging on about historical territories, it’s only been a century since they laid claim to the Baltics, half of Poland, Finland, Moldova, bits of Romania and most of that central Eurasian plateau.

 

[whelk]

If only we could send some drone strikes into the Kremlin and take out this colossal cunt

[whelk]

Was reading his military advisers have grave reservations about an invasion but who speaks up to these despots

[badgerx16]

28 minutes ago, whelk said:

Was reading his military advisers have grave reservations about an invasion but who speaks up to these despots

People who fancy a long holiday in Siberia.

[buctootim]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

So now we will see how far to Hell this handcart is going to be driven.

 

Putin has known all along that the West ( NATO ) will not actually go "hot" for Ukraine, and the UN is impotent to act against a permanent menber of the Security Council. By his declaration this evening Putin can now legitimately move troops into the Donbas at the request of the "Governments" of the 2 republics.

And we know what happens next - a super free and fair referendum on joining Russia.  

[kyle04]

Reckon Putin's got NATO by the balls. The UN may send some observers once the tanks roll in , but I think he'll stop short of a full invasion and Ukraine may have to concede the Donbas region for now or risk all out war, which they will lose. The West cannot intervene militarily , and sanctions may backfire if Putin turns the gas pipes off. He's a cunning bastard that's for sure, but is living in a past cold war dogma which must horrify some in the Russian government. I say just dock Chelsea 20 points and claim  a moral victory.

[Colinjb]

19 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

Reckon Putin's got NATO by the balls. The UN may send some observers once the tanks roll in , but I think he'll stop short of a full invasion and Ukraine may have to concede the Donbas region for now or risk all out war, which they will lose. The West cannot intervene militarily , and sanctions may backfire if Putin turns the gas pipes off. He's a cunning bastard that's for sure, but is living in a past cold war dogma which must horrify some in the Russian government. I say just dock Chelsea 20 points and claim  a moral victory.

He wants breathing space between the West and his own border. A few separatist states they aid the security of would be perfect for that. Dread to think if that would involve expanding through the Ukraine to Transnistria though.

Now, what to do with the Baltic states and Poland?

[kyle04]

Dread to think, we know what happened the last time Poland was invaded..

[Weston Super Saint]

Just when you thought petrol pump prices couldn't get any higher than their 'highest ever' price....

[egg]

7 hours ago, Colinjb said:

He wants breathing space between the West and his own border. A few separatist states they aid the security of would be perfect for that. Dread to think if that would involve expanding through the Ukraine to Transnistria though.

Now, what to do with the Baltic states and Poland?

Lithuania looks the obvious target as that would give a clear path to Kaliningrad and the Baltic. Whether Putin would mess with a Nato member remains to be seen though, but if he wants to test whether the West will respond militarily, that's where he'll get an answer. 

[badgerx16]

8 hours ago, kyle04 said:

Dread to think, we know what happened the last time Poland was invaded..

And Russia was involved then.

[spyinthesky]

9 hours ago, kyle04 said:

Reckon Putin's got NATO by the balls. The UN may send some observers once the tanks roll in , but I think he'll stop short of a full invasion and Ukraine may have to concede the Donbas region for now or risk all out war, which they will lose. The West cannot intervene militarily , and sanctions may backfire if Putin turns the gas pipes off. He's a cunning bastard that's for sure, but is living in a past cold war dogma which must horrify some in the Russian government. I say just dock Chelsea 20 points and claim  a moral victory.

Interesting point about Chelsea (and Bournemouth)

Abramovich, who got rich at the expense of Russian citizens, is likely to have a significant proportion of his wealth tied up in London so there is the possibility of him being sanctioned along with other Russians who have laundered money through our capital city.

it will be interesting to see how much of his vast wealth he is willing to waste on Chelsea bearing in mind he has, apparently,  'invested' around £1 billion in the club so far.

[AlexLaw76]

Guess it has started 

[Turkish]

So it wasn't all propaganda from the west then.

[badgerx16]

Russian state television reporting that the Queen wants a war to distract from the Prince Andrew situation.

[Turkish]

Emily Thornberry giving her views which is a coincidence as she looks like a Russian shot putter.

[AlexLaw76]

27 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So it wasn't all propaganda from the west then.

Are you not a bit cynical about it all. Boris could be doing this to take the focus away from him eating cake. ?

 

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Are you not a bit cynical about it all. Boris could be doing this to take the focus away from him eating cake. ?

 

Putin is sulking because he failed to fix the US Presidential election.

[Turkish]

18 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Are you not a bit cynical about it all. Boris could be doing this to take the focus away from him eating cake. ?

 

I dont trust Boris, so i wouldn't be surprised if he's just made it up to get out of partygate, so desperate to cling onto power he'd fake a war.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

I dont trust Boris, so i wouldn't be surprised if he's just made it up to get out of partygate, so desperate to cling onto power he'd fake a war.

It's all clearly propoganda from Boris et al.

Everyone knows that the Russians are able to sneak around, completely undetected until one day, WHAM and they've invaded your coutry without you even knowing.  No need for a war when you have skillz like those.

[whelk]

Kick Turkey from NATO. Cunts

[rallyboy]

Are cabinet ministers and the Conservative party still taking vast sums of money from Russian donors?

This could get complicated for some of them...

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, rallyboy said:

Are cabinet ministers and the Conservative party still taking vast sums of money from Russian donors?

This could get complicated for some of them...

Bit like Beijing Barry is many ways......

[Lighthouse]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60454795

There's a video of Russia's spy chief absolutely sh*tting a brick and not knowing whether he's coming or going, when talking to Putin.

[kyle04]

From the link above :

The prime minister replied that “Abramovich is already facing sanctions”.

Labour MP Chris Bryant later told MPs: “I don’t think Abramovich has been sanctioned”.

Mr Abramovich is not listed on the searchable database

provided by the UK Office of Financial Sanctions Implementation.

The prime minister's official spokesman later told reporters Johnson "misspoke" when he told the Commons that Abramovich was facing sanctions.

Fuck me... Putin must be quaking in his boots.

Interesting exchange between Putin and poor Sergei in the video, Stalin would have nodded his approval.

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

Fuck me... Putin must be quaking in his boots.

Interesting exchange between Putin and poor Sergei in the video, Stalin would have nodded his approval.

Stalin would have nodded to Lavrentiy Beria, Beria would have nodded to an NKVD officer, Sergei would have disappeared.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Stalin would have nodded to Lavrentiy Beria, Beria would have nodded to an NKVD officer, Sergei would have disappeared.

Sneaky those Russians with their ability to appear and disappear at will

[badgerx16]

Russia effectively annexes the 2 rebel controlled areas, we sanction 3 billionaires. Ouch, Putin really felt that response.

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Sneaky those Russians with their ability to appear and disappear at will

Sergei would not have disappeared "at will".

[rallyboy]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Bit like Beijing Barry is many ways......

It would be.

If Barry was in government and had power, and we were on the verge of being at war with China.

But he isn't and we aren't, so it's not.

[badgerx16]

Just now, rallyboy said:

It would be.

If Barry was in government and had power, and we were on the verge of being at war with China.

But he isn't and we aren't, so it's not.

Analogy appears to be beyond AL76.

[kyle04]

Abramovich may well be on the phone to Putin soon -"Vladamir, stop this madness, they've blocked my Tesco clubcard!"

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

It would be.

If Barry was in government and had power, and we were on the verge of being at war with China.

But he isn't and we aren't, so it's not.

My point is, the alternative is no different (at best)

Last time I checked we are not on the verge of war with Russia.  Unless you know something the rest us/the world does not?

Edited 22 February, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Russia effectively annexes the 2 rebel controlled areas, we sanction 3 billionaires. Ouch, Putin really felt that response.

TBF I think that's more of a warning shot than the sum total of the west's response and it's already hit Russia's stock market and the Rouble. 

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

TBF I think that's more of a warning shot than the sum total of the west's response and it's already hit Russia's stock market and the Rouble. 

When is China going to offer a line of credit to Russia to compensate ?

[kyle04]

Disturbing article here :

https://www.marketplace.org/2022/02/15/will-the-uk-sanction-russian-owned-assets-over-the-ukraine-crisis/

This country's a laughing stock, the money laundering capital of the world, corrupt and incompetent politicians, zero control of our borders even though we're an island , and don't get me started on the state of the roads or the cricket team.

[whelk]

No idea why the world’s politicians are putting sanctions on Russia when could just consult Saintsweb to understand they have no impact.

[Weston Super Saint]

35 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

When is China going to offer a line of credit to Russia to compensate ?

Don't think they need it  

[whelk]

8 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Don't think they need it  

You think that is a lot of money?

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

You think that is a lot of money?

It's more than I've got 🤷‍♀️

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Don't think they need it  

But other than China, where can they spend it ?

[Weston Super Saint]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But other than China, where can they spend it ?

London by the look of it....

[Weston Super Saint]

This'll teach 'em.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60474920

Quote

Uefa is almost certain to switch this season's Champions League final away from St Petersburg amid the Ukraine-Russia crisis.

Almost certain....

[whelk]

President of FIFA is Putin’s pal. Shoudl kick them from all sporting competitions 

Edited 22 February, 2022 by whelk

[Lighthouse]

I've no idea what that translates to in real terms, you'd have to ask an economist, but $630bn is less than the GDP of Switzerland or Argentina. Doesn't SEEM like a lot to be hanging your hat on when your assets are being seized across the free world.