What Is Happening To Our Country?

[CB Fry]

I hope some good can come from all of this, like a someone setting fire to a bus or something.

[The Kraken]

7 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

This is the sad part 

 

By ignoring the obvious problems and calling everyone far-right, they have made the situation 100x worse. 
 

I’d argue that racism was almost extinct in this country in the early 00s. The impact of immigration barely crossed my mind. 
 

But now it’s all going to get more divided than ever because the politicians are too scared to do basic, common sense things. And it’s led to horrific crimes happening every single day 

 

Jesus fucking Christ. Your posts make you seem pretty simple, but this is a new low.

[egg]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

I hope some good can come from all of this, like a someone setting fire to a bus or something.

Who would have thought it ... 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cr47x99k5n6t?post=asset%3A4e0f3e35-bf9d-4b17-b920-77f8899cd914#post

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by egg

[Osvaldorama]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

 

Jesus fucking Christ. Your posts make you seem pretty simple, but this is a new low.

How so, oh virtuous one? 

[egg]

9 hours ago, egg said:

Who would have thought it ... 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cr47x99k5n6t?post=asset%3A4e0f3e35-bf9d-4b17-b920-77f8899cd914#post

 

 

Updated. People being "burnt out of their houses", "apocalyptic scenes", and "black people targeted". 

The incident yesterday was appalling, but this kind of reaction is disgraceful.

The state of the nation. 

[Gloucester Saint]

17 minutes ago, egg said:

Updated. People being "burnt out of their houses", "apocalyptic scenes", and "black people targeted". 

The incident yesterday was appalling, but this kind of reaction is disgraceful.

The state of the nation. 

The loyalist mobs are what Farage and Lowe aspire to. I bet Tommy Robinson was having a right old hand job watching the violence and pure racial hatred. 

@CB Fry if only it was just a bus being set on fire….although that always excites the camera crews as an image.

Trial of the Sudanese man needs to be rapid, and instant deportation on release day. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[egg]

10 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The loyalist mobs are what Farage and Lowe aspire to. I bet Tommy Robinson was having a right old hand job watching the violence and pure racial hatred. 

@CB Fry if only it was just a bus being set on fire….although that always excites the camera crews as an image.

Trial of the Sudanese man needs to be rapid, and instant deportation on release day. 

Agree to all of that. The outrage of a normal human being doesn't involve targeting human beings with different colour skin or a different religion, or burning their houses. What we're seeing is people taking an opportunity to act out their prejudices, and for others to stoke them. Reprehensible stuff. 

And yep, give the bloke a fast track trial, ditto any appeal, and get him gone. Bizarre that he was able to remain in NI given he landed in Dublin. 

[whelk]

40 minutes ago, egg said:

Updated. People being "burnt out of their houses", "apocalyptic scenes", and "black people targeted". 

The incident yesterday was appalling, but this kind of reaction is disgraceful.

The state of the nation. 

Patriots 

[whelk]

The pussies will all be crying at the sentences - fucking two tier blah blah

[whelk]

20 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

Im sure this is just a mental health episode too 

It’s ok, you can come out from under your bed now

[hypochondriac]

41 minutes ago, egg said:

Agree to all of that. The outrage of a normal human being doesn't involve targeting human beings with different colour skin or a different religion, or burning their houses. What we're seeing is people taking an opportunity to act out their prejudices, and for others to stoke them. Reprehensible stuff. 

And yep, give the bloke a fast track trial, ditto any appeal, and get him gone. Bizarre that he was able to remain in NI given he landed in Dublin. 

Is it bizarre? I bet it happens all the time.

[egg]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Is it bizarre? I bet it happens all the time.

It feels bizarre to me that someone seeking asylum can land in Dublin and literally be able to walk into the UK. But sure, I suspect it happens often.  

Edited 5 hours ago by egg

[Osvaldorama]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

The pussies will all be crying at the sentences - fucking two tier blah blah

By “pussies” do you mean “people that are able to think critically”?

[egg]

7 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

By “pussies” do you mean “people that are able to think critically”?

I think you mean people with thinking that warrants criticism. 

[Osvaldorama]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Agree to all of that. The outrage of a normal human being doesn't involve targeting human beings with different colour skin or a different religion, or burning their houses. What we're seeing is people taking an opportunity to act out their prejudices, and for others to stoke them. Reprehensible stuff. 

And yep, give the bloke a fast track trial, ditto any appeal, and get him gone. Bizarre that he was able to remain in NI given he landed in Dublin. 

What was it the left said?

 

Oh yes - “it’s just buildings, they have insurance”

[AlexLaw76]

Lessons will be learnt, we must not condone hate and violence, what is meant to divide must unite us, we will smash the gangs.

Edited 4 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Lessons will be learnt, we must not condone hate and violence, what is meant to divide must unite us, we will smash the gangs.

We are taking tough decisions

Lessons will be learned

we inherted the problems

Rebuilding the foundations of this country

Let me be clear

We must not be divided

This country is built on immigration

Something about the far right

Keir Starmer today. 

[ecuk268]

1 hour ago, egg said:

It feels bizarre to me that someone seeking asylum can land in Dublin and literally be able to walk into the UK. But sure, I suspect it happens often.  

Anyone can cross into Northern Ireland.

He was given leave to remain by Suella Braverman.

[Turkish]

I dont know about anyone else but my first thought on all the events recently has been WE MUST NOT LET THE FAR RIGHT USE THIS TO DIVIDE US.

Then i spared a thoughts for the victims before getting angry about the far right again.

[iansums]

2 hours ago, egg said:

Agree to all of that. The outrage of a normal human being doesn't involve targeting human beings with different colour skin or a different religion, or burning their houses. What we're seeing is people taking an opportunity to act out their prejudices, and for others to stoke them. Reprehensible stuff. 

And yep, give the bloke a fast track trial, ditto any appeal, and get him gone. Bizarre that he was able to remain in NI given he landed in Dublin. 

Totally agree with this, but what will the Human Rights lawyers have to say about it.

[egg]

30 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Anyone can cross into Northern Ireland.

He was given leave to remain by Suella Braverman.

Cheers, I hadn't appreciated that. I had understood that he was still seeking asylum. 

[egg]

10 minutes ago, iansums said:

Totally agree with this, but what will the Human Rights lawyers have to say about it.

That's the issue. He has a right to a fair trial, and appeal, but there's judicial control over that. All I ask is that things are processed as quickly as possible, as I'm sure the rioters will be. 

[Osvaldorama]

32 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I dont know about anyone else but my first thought on all the events recently has been WE MUST NOT LET THE FAR RIGHT USE THIS TO DIVIDE US.

Then i spared a thoughts for the victims before getting angry about the far right again.

Personally I think filling our communities with thousands of unvetted criminals is the divisive part, not the protests.
 

But what do I know.

[egg]

32 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I dont know about anyone else but my first thought on all the events recently has been WE MUST NOT LET THE FAR RIGHT USE THIS TO DIVIDE US.

Then i spared a thoughts for the victims before getting angry about the far right again.

The politicising in this thread tells you all you need to know about many people's priorities.

Frankly, I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to mention left or right. 

[whelk]

Just now, egg said:

Frankly, I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to mention left or right

It suits that they put this on their bogey man-‘ the left’.

In many simple people’s world you either a support a vigilante mob who are happy to smash up peoples communities or you are actively supporting mass migration and beheadings

[whelk]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

That's the issue. He has a right to a fair trial, and appeal, but there's judicial control over that. All I ask is that things are processed as quickly as possible, as I'm sure the rioters will be. 

It is insane why can’t put so much more resources into fast tracking claims, appeals and then deportations - would get massive support from most. Our society has too many checks and balances that are clearly being absused. Need to get a lot tougher 

[iansums]

5 minutes ago, whelk said:

It is insane why can’t put so much more resources into fast tracking claims, appeals and then deportations - would get massive support from most. Our society has too many checks and balances that are clearly being absused. Need to get a lot tougher 

Spot bloody on

[Osvaldorama]

40 minutes ago, egg said:

The politicising in this thread tells you all you need to know about many people's priorities.

Frankly, I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to mention left or right. 

Because that’s literally all Starmer does. 
 

Even today - he’s blaming social media instead of being accountable for governments failings. He’s making everything even worse. 

[egg]

35 minutes ago, whelk said:

It is insane why can’t put so much more resources into fast tracking claims, appeals and then deportations - would get massive support from most. Our society has too many checks and balances that are clearly being absused. Need to get a lot tougher 

Amen to that. The issue is money, and bodies, as much as anything. The immigration and asylum tribunal system has a finite number of judges. The lord chancellor could redeploy from elsewhere, but there'd be uproar of that was from the court system, or other tribunals such as send or employment. The only solution, as you say, is a streamlined process with less checks and balances, and imo there needs to a swift move to a streamlined non judge led process. 

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Because that’s literally all Starmer does. 
 

Even today - he’s blaming social media instead of being accountable for governments failings. He’s making everything even worse. 

SM isn't left or right mate, but it's a huge part of the problem. Identifying it as part of the problem is correct, and it only makes things worse if you're of the ilk that sees his doing that as an issue. 

[RedArmy]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

I dont know about anyone else but my first thought on all the events recently has been WE MUST NOT LET THE FAR RIGHT USE THIS TO DIVIDE US.

 

This was my first thought too. 
 

My second thought was “well it’s not happening to anyone I know so why should I care” 

 

And my third thought was to get a ‘refugees welcome’ placard and go and protest the protests while shouting NAZI SCUM OFF OUR STREETS. 

[Osvaldorama]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

SM isn't left or right mate, but it's a huge part of the problem. Identifying it as part of the problem is correct, and it only makes things worse if you're of the ilk that sees his doing that as an issue. 

The way I view it (and I appreciate you don’t agree) is that social media is not the problem. People are angry because they are being ignored.
 

Social media is the platform that gives people a voice. 
 

By pretending that social media is the issue, he is yet again ignoring people’s valid concerns and fanning the flames of division 

[Gloucester Saint]

21 minutes ago, egg said:

Amen to that. The issue is money, and bodies, as much as anything. The immigration and asylum tribunal system has a finite number of judges. The lord chancellor could redeploy from elsewhere, but there'd be uproar of that was from the court system, or other tribunals such as send or employment. The only solution, as you say, is a streamlined process with less checks and balances, and imo there needs to a swift move to a streamlined non judge led process. 

Human rights law firms and activists would scream but I’ve little sympathy because they’ll lie and tell judges pink is blue when it suits them and their client.

There has been some acceleration since Braverman ground the system to a halt but it has to be much faster still, and yes, that has to mean tribunals. 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

We are taking tough decisions

Lessons will be learned

we inherted the problems

Rebuilding the foundations of this country

Let me be clear

We must not be divided

This country is built on immigration

Something about the far right

Keir Starmer today. 

You missed diversity is our strength.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, ecuk268 said:

Anyone can cross into Northern Ireland.

He was given leave to remain by Suella Braverman.

what, personally?

[Turkish]

44 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

The way I view it (and I appreciate you don’t agree) is that social media is not the problem. People are angry because they are being ignored.
 

Social media is the platform that gives people a voice. 
 

By pretending that social media is the issue, he is yet again ignoring people’s valid concerns and fanning the flames of division 

It very easy to dismiss it all as people just being racist, that’s a big part of the problem. 
 

The UK is on its arse, people are struggling and whilst the country has gone to the gutter we’ve seen a increase in mass immigration, a succession of terror attacks and murders and an increase in diversity and inclusion to the point where if you watch TV you’d think every family in the country was mixed racist with one gay and one disabled person. the whole time the average man on the street is told that theyre the problem 

I’ve used the example of Bradford in the past. I’ve lived up north for nearly 14 years and people tell me 20 Years ago Bradford was  great city, diverse yes, a large Asian community but by and large everyone got on side by side. Now it’s a cesspit over run with drug and grooming gangs, crime is through the roof, it’s filthy and you wouldn’t want to walk anywhere in the city alone at night. If you were a Bradford person who had seen that happen over the last 20 years yet were told nothing was wrong, in facts it’s all wonderful and if you don’t agree it’s your fault and you’re racist to say so I wonder how that would make you feel?

it’s easy for middle class people to sit in their comfortable homes dismissing everyone as racist and of course it doesn’t excuse people behaving like morons but maybe there is a bit more to it than “well everyone is racist”

Edited 1 hour ago by Turkish

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

It suits that they put this on their bogey man-‘ the left’.

In many simple people’s world you either a support a vigilante mob who are happy to smash up peoples communities or you are actively supporting mass migration and beheadings

As a vigilante who supports beheadings, I find I disagree with both of those outlooks.

[whelk]

27 minutes ago, Turkish said:

the whole time the average man on the street is told that theyre the problem

Who is saying this? Is it in your head? You get your extreme twats but most people think nothing of the sort. What is a problem is thugs torching houses and terrorising innocent people. Absolute cunts and sure they will be vile people in all areas of their lives.

And at the risk of being labelled a liberal appeaser, I would take that Sudanese cunt’s eye out

Edited 1 hour ago by whelk

[whelk]

The lawyers asked for bail. They should make the lawyer house the cunt

[Osvaldorama]

8 minutes ago, whelk said:

Who is saying this? Is it in your head? You get your extreme twats but most people think nothing of the sort. What is a problem is thugs torching houses and terrorising innocent people. Absolute cunts and sure they will be vile people in all areas of their lives.

And at the risk of being labelled a liberal appeaser, I would take that Sudanese cunt’s eye out

Keir Starmer and the government. 
 

He calls everyone far right thugs and ignores all of the issues Turkish listed. 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

The way I view it (and I appreciate you don’t agree) is that social media is not the problem. People are angry because they are being ignored.
 

Social media is the platform that gives people a voice. 
 

By pretending that social media is the issue, he is yet again ignoring people’s valid concerns and fanning the flames of division 

Social media does give people a platform to voice. However people have become utter dicks over a number of years, enabled or influenced by others. 

People are taking it too far with being abhorrent in terms of racism and other forms of abuse.

In my opinion this has led to people being dicks in the real world where there are consequences. 

[egg]

24 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Social media does give people a platform to voice. However people have become utter dicks over a number of years, enabled or influenced by others. 

People are taking it too far with being abhorrent in terms of racism and other forms of abuse.

In my opinion this has led to people being dicks in the real world where there are consequences. 

Spot on. The line between having a voice and using SM as a platform to spread and incite nonsense has been well and truly crossed, and that's spread into society proper. 

[ecuk268]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

what, personally?

Rupert Lowe seems to think so.

[Osvaldorama]

15 minutes ago, egg said:

Spot on. The line between having a voice and using SM as a platform to spread and incite nonsense has been well and truly crossed, and that's spread into society proper. 

The problem with what you are suggesting is that what one person terms “nonsense” others deem as important issues. 
 

This is why free speech is fundamental to a free society. Ideas should be heard and then dismissed based on their merits. 
 

The fact is, these riots aren’t being caused by “nonsense” or social media incitement. They are being caused by decades of neglect of the interests of the working class of the country by a government who lies and gaslights them. 

[egg]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Who is saying this? Is it in your head? You get your extreme twats but most people think nothing of the sort. What is a problem is thugs torching houses and terrorising innocent people. Absolute cunts and sure they will be vile people in all areas of their lives.

And at the risk of being labelled a liberal appeaser, I would take that Sudanese cunt’s eye out

It's not being said. It's a perception. 

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

The problem with what you are suggesting is that what one person terms “nonsense” others deem as important issues. 
 

This is why free speech is fundamental to a free society. Ideas should be heard and then dismissed based on their merits. 
 

The fact is, these riots aren’t being caused by “nonsense” or social media incitement. They are being caused by decades of neglect of the interests of the working class of the country by a government who lies and gaslights them. 

Oh come on, you're brighter than that. 

Lots of people (me included) have an issue with our level of immigration, legal and otherwise. However, the vast majority of people realise that sounding off about it on SM, and especially inciting or insinuating violence, doesn't address the issue - that's the nonsense I'm talking about, not the underlying issue. 

You either have your head in the sand or buried up your arse if you don't see that SM plays a huge part in the violent protests that we're seeing. 

You're looking at just the issue just as you see it, not all the issues individually and then in the round. 

 

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

Oh come on, you're brighter than that. 

Lots of people (me included) have an issue with our level of immigration, legal and otherwise. However, the vast majority of people realise that sounding off about it on SM, and especially inciting or insinuating violence, doesn't address the issue - that's the nonsense I'm talking about, not the underlying issue. 

You either have your head in the sand or buried up your arse if you don't see that SM plays a huge part in the violent protests that we're seeing. 

You're looking at just the issue just as you see it, not all the issues individually and then in the round. 

 

I agree but tbf not doing those things hasn't really addressed the issue either. You do rather get the impression that if the issue was actively being addressed more effectively then these riots wouldn't really be a thing and certainly not on this scale. It is true to say that decades of the electorate asking successive governments to do something about immigration that is then ignored or the rate accelerated has made the scale of discontent and this the likelihood of disorder much more likely.

[Turkish]

21 minutes ago, egg said:

It's not being said. It's a perception. 

Perception is reality to some 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Who is saying this? Is it in your head? You get your extreme twats but most people think nothing of the sort. What is a problem is thugs torching houses and terrorising innocent people. Absolute cunts and sure they will be vile people in all areas of their lives.

And at the risk of being labelled a liberal appeaser, I would take that Sudanese cunt’s eye out

The far right are the problem has often been said 

but everyone who isn’t far left is far right in some people’s eyes 

[hypochondriac]

What this comes down to is that it's absolutely mad firstly that we have to allow random Sudanese men into our countries in the first place if they just fancy showing up. Secondly it's even more insane that whatever the will of the electorate is, the government is unable to prevent it or remove them in a timely manner. Everything else including incitement on social media stems from those two facts.