What Is Happening To Our Country?

[badgerx16]

Shadow Chancellor speaks at conference

Grant Shapps speaks

Discussion on the "Future of the Union"

[Gloucester Saint]

Chris Mason twisting the knife on BBC. Their 1922 Committee have got to act by the spring of next year unless Reform implodes by then (it won’t yet) as Badenoch trying to take them on directly and out-Reform him is stupid. 

They need a centre right pro business leader like Street if they can find him a seat, attack Farage on that as it’s his Achilles Heel and hold Reeves to better account. 

[Gloucester Saint]

In Private Eye, just to show what a buffoon Badenoch is, she’s been directing her followers to Turning Point UK’s website. Which amongst other activities last month featured TPUK members accusing Southampton motorists without evidence of taking down their ‘fucking flags’ and being a ‘fucking cunt’.

TPUK went one better down the M27, thinking they were gatecrashing Corbyn launching his new party. Corbyn was nowhere near Portsmouth but TPUK did manage to find a mob of ex-EDL and BNP boneheads who chanted ‘Corbyn’s a wanker’ through a PA system. Not only was Corbyn nor his new party not there but Hampshire Police dispersed them as they frightened disabled kids having a dance meeting in the community centre upstairs.

TPUK thanked Kemi for being the only elected party leader who reached out to them.

Edited Monday at 18:06 by Gloucester Saint

[Lighthouse]

4 hours ago, Turkish said:

The biggest conspiracy theory ever sold was that anyone who questions the narrative is a conspiracy theorist 

I love shoving things up my arse as much as the next man, but if 'questioning the narrative' involves taking five caramel lattes a day up the poo pipe and dying from lymphoma aged 23, I'll probably stick to being a sheep.

[whelk]

13 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

In Private Eye, just to show what a buffoon Badenoch is, she’s been directing her followers to Turning Point UK’s website. Which amongst other activities last month featured TPUK members accusing Southampton motorists without evidence of taking down their ‘fucking flags’ and being a ‘fucking cunt’.

TPUK went one better down the M27, thinking they were gatecrashing Corbyn launching his new party. Corbyn was nowhere near Portsmouth but TPUK did manage to find a mob of ex-EDL and BNP boneheads who chanted ‘Corbyn’s a wanker’ through a PA system. Not only was Corbyn nor his new party not there but Hampshire Police dispersed them as they frightened disabled kids having a dance meeting in the community centre upstairs.

TPUK thanked Kemi for being the only elected party leader who reached out to them.

Only caught the headlines of their Conference but seeming clear going far more to the right. Hopefully split some of Reform voters although they have no one with any charisma especially the current leader. Just seem desperate. Oh yeah and the streets are not safe anymore -lol

[Gloucester Saint]

36 minutes ago, whelk said:

Only caught the headlines of their Conference but seeming clear going far more to the right. Hopefully split some of Reform voters although they have no one with any charisma especially the current leader. Just seem desperate. Oh yeah and the streets are not safe anymore -lol

The ‘Streets not safe’ line Reform have also been pushing with huge (and inevitably dodgy) funding on Facebook. Splitting the Reform vote with a change of leader is probably the best they can hope for. I’d be getting Street elected however they can as an MP and getting him as leader, fresh face without the tarnish of the post-Brexit disaster.

[whelk]

Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

The ‘Streets not safe’ line Reform have also been pushing with huge (and inevitably dodgy) funding on Facebook. Splitting the Reform vote with a change of leader is probably the best they can hope for. I’d be getting Street elected however they can as an MP and getting him as leader, fresh face without the tarnish of the post-Brexit disaster.

Agree about Street. Don’t think this current lot seem to understand how most of the public view them. And that isn’t just the 14 years of discontent- when they put people like Philps out sounding like a Reform guy so many switch off.  Never been a massive Tory fan but could at least respect their grandees and what they were trying to do. This lot seem like writing on the hoof after their focus group findings. Although Labour are pretty similar in that respect.

Now they are going to slash public services - clearly what the electorate wanted last election. Labour need to get much tougher on immigration, even for the optics, Agree with Trump that needs to think about using military although so many in his party would oppose but at least he could say went down trying rather than limping through the term with no one really knowing where we are going

[Turkish]

Robert Jenrick being accused of racism because he said part of Birmingham is a shit hole and didn’t see another white person 🤦

Edited yesterday at 07:30 by Turkish

[Gloucester Saint]

25 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Robert Jenrick being accused of racism because he said part of Birmingham is a shit hole and didn’t see another white person 🤦

It’s ignorant as much as racist but goes to prove that Bob Jenryck should never be anywhere near power, let alone the stench of corruption around him over the years. Wouldn’t be surprised if he jumped ship to Reform once Badenoch is ousted. Then he can help them tank like he did the Tories.

Compare the maturity here with Andy Street’s comments, having been Mayor of the region and having actually lived there for decades https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy85zlpwne6o

Edited 23 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[badgerx16]

25 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Robert Jenrick being accused of racism because he said part of Birmingham is a shit hole and didn’t see another white person 🤦

Surprised he could see anything other than piles of bin bags.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Surprised he could see anything other than piles of bin bags.

Rat population hardly needed adding to with his visit.

[Turkish]

20 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It’s ignorant as much as racist but goes to prove that Bob Jenryck should never be anywhere near power, let alone the stench of corruption around him over the years. Wouldn’t be surprised if he jumped ship to Reform once Badenoch is ousted. Then he can help them tank like he did the Tories.

Compare the maturity here with Andy Street’s comments, having been Mayor of the region and having actually lived there for decades https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy85zlpwne6o

if diversity is our strength and we want a multi cultural integrated society then going to an area and not seeing any white people means that area isn't diverse and multi-cultural, surely?

[Gloucester Saint]

49 minutes ago, Turkish said:

if diversity is our strength and we want a multi cultural integrated society then going to an area and not seeing any white people means that area isn't diverse and multi-cultural, surely?

People see what they want to see for their narrative. Did he visit any of the local community centres? Any of the faith establishments? The pubs and clubs? Meeting and engaging with people is how you find out what the level of cohesion really is or isn’t. 

Handsworth had a violent history in the 1980s and added to the bin strike (Unite is a disgrace as well as their City Council) it’s easy to resort to stereotypes. But I’d rather take the word of a recent and effective Conservative Mayor for that region who knows the area inside out than a failed and corrupt former Minister who spends his time making videos of fare evaders, getting in the way of the BTP.

[Turkish]

19 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

People see what they want to see for their narrative. Did he visit any of the local community centres? Any of the faith establishments? The pubs and clubs? Meeting and engaging with people is how you find out what the level of cohesion really is or isn’t. 

Handsworth had a violent history in the 1980s and added to the bin strike (Unite is a disgrace as well as their City Council) it’s easy to resort to stereotypes. But I’d rather take the word of a recent and effective Conservative Mayor for that region who knows the area inside out than a failed and corrupt former Minister who spends his time making videos of fare evaders, getting in the way of the BTP.

That's the case with everyone though isn't it. We are all guilty of confirmation bias. I have no idea what he did when he was there, but it "appears" that the point he was making was that the community was overwhelmingly of one ethnicity and not the diverse culture we are told is our strength.

[badgerx16]

There are plenty of places around the country, especially in the more rural areas, where Jenrick is unlikely to see a black face. Is that a sign that multiculturism is failing ?

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Surprised he could see anything other than piles of bin bags.

Were they black too?

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

There are plenty of places around the country, especially in the more rural areas, where Jenrick is unlikely to see a black face. Is that a sign that multiculturism is failing ?

It interesting that the people that live in the places you describe are often the ones who shout loudest about how great immigration is for the country......... 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Were they black too?

Seems so 

 

[badgerx16]

Turkish beat me to it

Edited 22 hours ago by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It interesting that the people that live in the places you describe are often the ones who shout loudest about how great immigration is for the country......... 

But what sort of immigration ?

[Turkish]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

But what sort of immigration ?

I suspect they dont care as long as they can be seen as great people without it impacting where they live

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

It interesting that the people that live in the places you describe are often the ones who shout loudest about how great immigration is for the country......... 

I dunno though, South Devon, which is 98% white Uk/N European, where my folks live is definitely not shouting loudly about the merits of immigration. Quite the opposite - the shopping centres have Reform stands  and their NextDoor app is full of Duckhunter and Soggy type characters arguing, x100 the amount happening on here. The one up here is completely different outlook with places like Gloucester and Cheltenham a lot more diverse than Devon and only an hour from Bristol/Birmingham.

Edited 20 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[pingpong]

Because the area he was in is roughly the inverse of sotons demographic, presumably if he came here he would be scared by the lack of Asian and black faces?

He went on to explain he wants to see all skin colours side by side, so I assume he would be horrified if he went to Romsey.

I look forward to the Tory policies designed to increase ethnic diversity in their stronglands, it will be quite a shift.

[benjii]

5 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The ‘Streets not safe’ line Reform have also been pushing with huge (and inevitably dodgy) funding on Facebook. Splitting the Reform vote with a change of leader is probably the best they can hope for. I’d be getting Street elected however they can as an MP and getting him as leader, fresh face without the tarnish of the post-Brexit disaster.

The streets aren’t safe from Reform:

 

[rallyboy]

Jenrick is just a fucking idiot trying to appeal to fucking idiots.

And all the time we're talking about that no one is talking about the corrupt deal his party did on asylum hotels that has just been exposed.

[Gloucester Saint]

8 hours ago, benjii said:

The streets aren’t safe from Reform:

 

Reform pissing it up the wall again