Israel

[egg]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Perhaps if you're having difficulty interpreting what I've written perhaps seek some clarification. I've told you the meaning of my post. 

You say clarify, I read face saving. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

The thing is, you can try to row backwards by saying that you mean something, but, your posts are clearly written and interpreted by many from the words used. Your intelligent bloke and way better than doing a Russell Martin and blaming everyone else. 

I know what I meant when I posted it, there's no rowing back of any kind. I'll spell it out for you if you like. 

This burning of a mosque is likely done in response to the synagogue attack. That is not a justification for the act, simply what the perpetrators would view as a motivation. Rather like saying the individual who attacked a synagogue in response to the actions of Israel is disgusting. That's not excusing anyone who happens to attack a synagogue unrelated to anything Israel has done, that's your uncharitable interpretation of what was written. 

I've now helped you understand better what the meaning behind my post was as it wasn't cryptic. You can continue to suggest I'm lying and that I actually support some attacks on mosques or you can accept what I'm telling you. Either way it's on you.

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Perhaps if you're having difficulty interpreting what I've written perhaps seek some clarification. I've told you the meaning of my post. 

I'm not having problems now, I'm taking all your posts at face value.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

You say clarify, I read face saving. 

Read whatever you like. Why you think I'd want to save face at something you've posted is beyond me.

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

You say clarify, I read face saving. 

Not saving much face is he? 😂

He's had a proper 'mare today. The right's SOG equivalent strikes again!

Edited Sunday at 12:32 by Farmer Saint

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not saving much face is he? 😂

He's had a proper 'mare today. The rights SOG equivalent strikes again!

Cute.

[egg]

14 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not saving much face is he? 😂

He's had a proper 'mare today. The right's SOG equivalent strikes again!

Indeed. I've seen him for what he is for a long time. 

[rallyboy]

If you spend much of your time trying to catch out others, you need to be pretty careful with your own posts.

#calamitousowngoal 

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

If you spend much of your time trying to catch out others, you need to be pretty careful with your own posts.

#calamitousowngoal 

I love how you think I surreptitiously put a qualifier in my condemnation of a mosque attack because secretly I thought that burning down mosques is alright in circumstances not involving a response to Jews being killed. If I thought that burning down mosques was acceptable I'd just say it.

Edited Sunday at 13:53 by hypochondriac

[iansums]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Indeed. I've seen him for what he is for a long time. 

What is he?

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, iansums said:

What is he?

He thinks I hate all Muslims, I'm racist, etc etc. Most of it stems from not agreeing with him on Israel. 

[iansums]

8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

He thinks I hate all Muslims, I'm racist, etc etc. Most of it stems from not agreeing with him on Israel. 

I asked egg, not you 😁

[egg]

10 minutes ago, iansums said:

I asked egg, not you 😁

It was not a discussion point - this thread is meant to be about Israel, not posters.

All I'll say is that I respect all posters who are honest about their views, including those with views contrary to mine, you being an example. Other posters, not so much. 

[benjii]

The other day, two people came up to me and offered me a deal.

One of them is a convicted felon, a court-adjudged sex offender, quite possibly a paedo, a fascist, and has a long and storied history of welching on deals, failing to pay up, bankruptcies and dodgy dealings.

The other guy is wanted on charges of war crimes and is already indicted for bribery, corruption and fraud.

 

None of my friends can understand why I'm not up for the deal!!

 

[AlexLaw76]

12 minutes ago, benjii said:

The other day, two people came up to me and offered me a deal.

One of them is a convicted felon, a court-adjudged sex offender, quite possibly a paedo, a fascist, and has a long and storied history of welching on deals, failing to pay up, bankruptcies and dodgy dealings.

The other guy is wanted on charges of war crimes and is already indicted for bribery, corruption and fraud.

 

None of my friends can understand why I'm not up for the deal!!

 

Is that the Hamas lot…..?

[iansums]

31 minutes ago, benjii said:

The other day, two people came up to me and offered me a deal.

One of them is a convicted felon, a court-adjudged sex offender, quite possibly a paedo, a fascist, and has a long and storied history of welching on deals, failing to pay up, bankruptcies and dodgy dealings.

The other guy is wanted on charges of war crimes and is already indicted for bribery, corruption and fraud.

 

None of my friends can understand why I'm not up for the deal!!

 

Does it matter when you plan to murder them anyway, whereupon you’ll be met in heaven by 70 virgins?

[benjii]

52 minutes ago, iansums said:

Does it matter when you plan to murder them anyway, whereupon you’ll be met in heaven by 70 virgins?

Depends if the deal is better than a life of violence, I guess. But it's a factor, innit.

[sadoldgit]

23 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

He thinks I hate all Muslims, I'm racist, etc etc. Most of it stems from not agreeing with him on Israel. 

You clearly hate all Muslims. There are plenty of your posts which prove that, and well before the events of 7th October.

Whether you are a racist or not is open to interpretation but you have plenty of previous in running to the defence of the likes of Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins. I don’t recall you calling out Farage for being the odious, lying scumbag he is. 
You used to use an avatar that was an alt-right icon and I don’t think that you were using it ironically.

You constantly support posts that have what could be called a far right bias. You like to pretend that you are even handed and respect other opinions but your posts indicate where you are really coming from and have done for years. You just don’t have the guts to come out and say what you really mean. I am glad that others are calling you out now, but I saw through your facade years ago. No doubt you will profess your innocence, but you only have to look at the type of other posters who support you and who you support and it couldn’t be clearer where you are coming from.

 

 

Edited Monday at 14:34 by sadoldgit

[hypochondriac]

Didn't read it but I'm sure it was fascinating.

[hypochondriac]

Hamas official in Tehran: “Our red lines include a ceasefire, complete withdrawal of occupation forces from Gaza, opening of crossings, humanitarian aid access, and rebuilding the Strip. After achieving these objectives, we will pursue political solutions and prisoner swaps.” - N12

They're having a laugh if true. Not sure what they're smoking if they think the can demand rebuilding of the strip prior to prisoner swaps. 

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Hamas official in Tehran: “Our red lines include a ceasefire, complete withdrawal of occupation forces from Gaza, opening of crossings, humanitarian aid access, and rebuilding the Strip. After achieving these objectives, we will pursue political solutions and prisoner swaps.” - N12

They're having a laugh if true. Not sure what they're smoking if they think the can demand rebuilding of the strip prior to prisoner swaps. 

There goes Trump's Nobel Peace Prize.

[egg]

29 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Hamas official in Tehran: “Our red lines include a ceasefire, complete withdrawal of occupation forces from Gaza, opening of crossings, humanitarian aid access, and rebuilding the Strip. After achieving these objectives, we will pursue political solutions and prisoner swaps.” - N12

They're having a laugh if true. Not sure what they're smoking if they think the can demand rebuilding of the strip prior to prisoner swaps. 

I think there's an interpretation issue. Hamas won't want for the rebuild of Gaza before the release of the thousands of detained Palestinians. 

Their other requirements are reasonable.

[iansums]

40 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Hamas official in Tehran: “Our red lines include a ceasefire, complete withdrawal of occupation forces from Gaza, opening of crossings, humanitarian aid access, and rebuilding the Strip. After achieving these objectives, we will pursue political solutions and prisoner swaps.” - N12

They're having a laugh if true. Not sure what they're smoking if they think the can demand rebuilding of the strip prior to prisoner swaps. 

Think they mean they want their tunnels rebuilt.

[egg]

15 minutes ago, iansums said:

Think they mean they want their tunnels rebuilt.

Ha! Probably a tad more basic...water, sewage, houses, schools, infrastructure, you know, the stuff that civilised countries don't smash up. 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Ha! Probably a tad more basic...water, sewage, houses, schools, infrastructure, you know, the stuff that civilised countries don't smash up. 

Real humanitarians are Hamas.

[egg]

11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Real humanitarians are Hamas.

Let me know when they decimate a territory, it's infrastructure, and kill 20k+ kids, and we'll have a conversation about it mate. 

But yep, they're vile. The Israeli government too. It's possible to condemn both sides. Give it a whirl. 

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

Let me know when they decimate a territory, it's infrastructure, and kill 20k+ kids, and we'll have a conversation about it mate. 

But yep, they're vile. The Israeli government too. It's possible to condemn both sides. Give it a whirl. 

If they were a left-leaning UK political party, they'd be voted in for another term, let alone derided like this

[Lighthouse]

49 minutes ago, egg said:

Let me know when they decimate a territory, it's infrastructure, and kill 20k+ kids, and we'll have a conversation about it mate. 

But yep, they're vile. The Israeli government too. It's possible to condemn both sides. Give it a whirl. 

When they have the military capability to do so. Thankfully they don't.

[egg]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

When they have the military capability to do so. Thankfully they don't.

Sadly the Israeli regime do. 

Reality is more relevant than a fear that can never bear fruit. 

[Saint86]

6 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Hamas official in Tehran: “Our red lines include a ceasefire, complete withdrawal of occupation forces from Gaza, opening of crossings, humanitarian aid access, and rebuilding the Strip. After achieving these objectives, we will pursue political solutions and prisoner swaps.” - N12

They're having a laugh if true. Not sure what they're smoking if they think the can demand rebuilding of the strip prior to prisoner swaps. 

I can't see this war ending whilst Hamas exist.

[hypochondriac]

7 hours ago, Saint86 said:

I can't see this war ending whilst Hamas exist.

I expect you're right. Main thing is to get the hostages out for me.

Edited 17 hours ago by hypochondriac

[whelk]

Two years today since the single most action of stupidity and self-harm. Expect even the most deluded Hamas ‘soldier’ must be regretting what they have inflicted on their people. 

Edited 17 hours ago by whelk

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

Two years today since the single most active of stupidity and self-harm. Expect even the most deluded Hamas ‘soldier’ must be regretting what they have inflicted on their people. 

'Holy' wars are never regrettable.

[whelk]

Just now, Weston Super Saint said:

'Holy' wars are never regrettable.

They’ll always have their WhatsApp videos

[Farmer Saint]

11 minutes ago, whelk said:

Two years today since the single most action of stupidity and self-harm. Expect even the most deluded Hamas ‘soldier’ must be regretting what they have inflicted on their people. 

I don't think so, I think this was their end game, alienating Israel from the International community. They knew Netanyahu would be incredibly heavy-handed and not show the intelligence needed to deal with them. Israel as a country will be treated like lepers going forward and Jews around the world will never recover. The young of the world won't forget what has happened.

Hamas have unfortunately got exactly what they wanted.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't think so, I think this was their end game, alienating Israel from the International community. They knew Netanyahu would be incredibly heavy-handed and not show the intelligence needed to deal with them. Israel as a country will be treated like lepers going forward and Jews around the world will never recover. The young of the world won't forget what has happened.

Hamas have unfortunately got exactly what they wanted.

I don't think that Hamas anticipated the sheer scale of the Israeli reaction. They certainly did not expect to see Iran shown as so vulnerable, and unable to lay a glove on Israel. Whilst Israel have not made themselves any friends here, they've confirmed themselves as the dominant force in the middle east. 

My hope is that the talks lead to an immediate ceasefire, simultaneous release of hostages and Palestinian detainees, then a maintained ceasefire while they continue talks. It won't happen, but a man lives on hope. 

[whelk]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't think so, I think this was their end game, alienating Israel from the International community. They knew Netanyahu would be incredibly heavy-handed and not show the intelligence needed to deal with them. Israel as a country will be treated like lepers going forward and Jews around the world will never recover. The young of the world won't forget what has happened.

Hamas have unfortunately got exactly what they wanted.

Sympathy is one thing. Hamas have been neutered, as have Hezbollah and to a degree their sponsors, Iran. Hearts and Minds is one thing but brute strength is not to be underestimated in conquering. I expect they did not anticipate Israel’s response to be so severe although should’ve be foreseen. 
I heard that the Hamas attack was not fully coordinated and loads of opportunists took advantage of the fence open and having some bloodlust and grabbing hostages.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Sympathy is one thing. Hamas have been neutered, as have Hezbollah and to a degree their sponsors, Iran. Hearts and Minds is one thing but brute strength is not to be underestimated in conquering. I expect they did not anticipate Israel’s response to be so severe although should’ve be foreseen. 
I heard that the Hamas attack was not fully coordinated and loads of opportunists took advantage of the fence open and having some bloodlust and grabbing hostages.

There were three waves of attack apparently. The first two were carried out by the “official” Hamas military and the third later on by a large group of opportunists who weren’t a part of the attack plan.

Still no accountability for the massive intelligence failure on the part of the Israelis nor any figure put on the number of “friendly fire” victims caused by the IDF themselves. No surprise there. As long as Netanyahu can keep the war going he can use that as an excuse to keep proper accountability at bay. Even if Hamas do agree to the current peace deal, Netanyahu will find a reason to scupper it, either now or later. The IDF claim that they take great care in identifying their targets. They clearly do not and the buck needs to stop at the man at the top.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-07/israel-hannibal-directive-kidnap-hamas-gaza-hostages-idf/104224430

In an ideal world, today would see the peace deal implemented and an end to the hostilities by both sides. The moment that happens, Netanyahu and his government will come under greater scrutiny. He doesn’t want that.

This is why.

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-admits-immense-amount-friendly-fire-7-october

 

Edited 15 hours ago by sadoldgit

[whelk]

This ignorant cunt doesn’t like genocide

https://news.sky.com/story/woman-filmed-cutting-commemorative-yellow-ribbons-for-israeli-hostages-13446399

[hypochondriac]

Looks like that mosque burning could have been a case of friendly fire.

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

This ignorant cunt doesn’t like genocide

https://news.sky.com/story/woman-filmed-cutting-commemorative-yellow-ribbons-for-israeli-hostages-13446399

See, that really pisses me off and puts back the cause for those of us that vehemently oppose the treatment of Gazan's by the Israeli Government.

The Israeli people, and in particular the people that were killed, injured and taken hostage 2 years ago in that horrific massacre are innocent in this. Leave them and their memories alone. Fucking pricks.

[egg]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Looks like that mosque burning could have been a case of friendly fire.

I think you're confusing the Peacehaven incident with one in Kettering. 

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, egg said:

I think you're confusing the Peacehaven incident with one in Kettering. 

Police have made arrests in both investigations. In the Kettring case the man is said to be a 'British Asian' - many such are not Muslim, in which case it would not be 'friendly fire', and even within the Muslim community there is a lot of hatred and violence between the branches of the Faith globally.

Edited 6 hours ago by badgerx16

[egg]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Police have made arrests in both investigations. In the Kettring case the man is said to be a 'British Asian' - many such are not Muslim, in which case it would not be 'friendly fire'.

Indeed. "That mosque burning" I had interpreted as meaning the Peacehaven terror incident with the people inside, not the Kettering one. 

[Farmer Saint]

43 minutes ago, egg said:

I think you're confusing the Peacehaven incident with one in Kettering. 

More of that amazing due diligence from Hypo...

[Weston Super Saint]

35 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Police have made arrests in both investigations. In the Kettring case the man is said to be a 'British Asian' - many such are not Muslim, in which case it would not be 'friendly fire', and even within the Muslim community there is a lot of hatred and violence between the branches of the Faith globally.

Got to love religious intolerances.

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Got to love religious intolerances.

Religion is such a fucking cunt.

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Got to love religious intolerances.

Bit trickier than gluten or milk. Peanut is another dangerous one though. 

[badgerx16]

47 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Religion is such a fucking cunt.

"The opiate of the masses", smoke and mirrors fairy tales to control and cow the populace.

Bitch, moan, and hate all week, but it's OK because you go to Church on Sunday.

Edited 5 hours ago by badgerx16

[iansums]

3 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Religion is such a fucking cunt.

It’s good to agree with you for once Mr Farmer