Autism and ADHD in young people

[Turkish]

Well there seems to have been a huge outcry about this, claiming it's irresponsible, dangerous, should be banned, a disgrace etc. I saw nothing in it that, it was a view based on research with professionals that questioned the narrative giving an alternative view to what is a very expensive and disagnosed condition which is rising hugely.

Make your own mind about it but the things that stood out for me was; he believes its a behaviour and environmental condition not a medical one. 

how easy it is to get a diagnosis, based on things like being talkative and easily distracted, fidgeting, not being able to queue etc. the most diagnosed group are 10-14 years old boys. Also the age where testostirone starts to surge.....

The dangers of giving children a pill at their age telling them have a condition which they cant do anything about and have a pill, they will never learn the coping strategies, patience, concentration etc 

Certainly worth a watch

 

[whelk]

A beautiful story. Lovely lads

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98050gj40ro?app-referrer=search

 

[Turkish]

Three times in the last couple of months my 13 year old son has been asked if he's got ADHD. Once was at Go ape in the summer holidays when he was fiddling with a strap whilst in a queue, once when he was tapping on a desk at school. He's a perfectly normal 13 year old boy, very active, full of hormones, typical teenage emotion swings and like a most boys of that age can be a dickhead at times. 

Also a school nurse when they went for a vaccine recently said he was "dangerously skinny" and started asking him what he eats in a day FFS!! He is short  for his age and lean but perfectly in proportion. Hes very, very fit, eats like a healthy diet and like a horse, plays football or fustal 4 times a week, does crossfit twice a week and when hes not doing that he's out on his mountain bike. 

I find it absolutely ridiculous that people are asking young kids if they have a mental condition for doing what normal teenage boys do or telling them they're too skinny when so many kids these days are too fat and sit on their arse playing computer games.

[whelk]

33 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Three times in the last couple of months my 13 year old son has been asked if he's got ADHD. Once was at Go ape in the summer holidays when he was fiddling with a strap whilst in a queue, once when he was tapping on a desk at school. He's a perfectly normal 13 year old boy, very active, full of hormones, typical teenage emotion swings and like a most boys of that age can be a dickhead at times. 

Also a school nurse when they went for a vaccine recently said he was "dangerously skinny" and started asking him what he eats in a day FFS!! He is short  for his age and lean but perfectly in proportion. Hes very, very fit, eats like a healthy diet and like a horse, plays football or fustal 4 times a week, does crossfit twice a week and when hes not doing that he's out on his mountain bike. 

I find it absolutely ridiculous that people are asking young kids if they have a mental condition for doing what normal teenage boys do or telling them they're too skinny when so many kids these days are too fat and sit on their arse playing computer games.

That is mental to be asking, should be kicking some off. I am sure I have ADHD to some degree -  aware some absolutely need adjustments and possibly medication but so many will have some traits and just cope

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

That is mental to be asking, should be kicking some off. I am sure I have ADHD to some degree -  aware some absolutely need adjustments and possibly medication but so many will have some traits and just cope

I just found it weird TBH. Had he been a different sort of kid and we be different sort of parents we might have been off for a diagnose right now so we can blame it on his bad behaviour. As it is we just told him to stop being a dick or you won’t be using your bike on a weekend. Soon put a stop to any knobbish behaviour in school. 

[egg]

34 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I just found it weird TBH. Had he been a different sort of kid and we be different sort of parents we might have been off for a diagnose right now so we can blame it on his bad behaviour. As it is we just told him to stop being a dick or you won’t be using your bike on a weekend. Soon put a stop to any knobbish behaviour in school. 

That was a ridiculous thing to ask him. Part of my work involves SEND kids, and ADHD diagnosis is common place, but many kids are deemed to be disregulated by neuro divergence when I'm reality they're impacted by hormones, diet, immaturity, and all manner of things. 

Like Whelk, I'd probably be diagnosed, but what would be the point. I don't need the badge. Or PiP. Although a cheap mobility motor sounds appealing.

[Baird of the land]

6 hours ago, Turkish said:

Three times in the last couple of months my 13 year old son has been asked if he's got ADHD. Once was at Go ape in the summer holidays when he was fiddling with a strap whilst in a queue, once when he was tapping on a desk at school. He's a perfectly normal 13 year old boy, very active, full of hormones, typical teenage emotion swings and like a most boys of that age can be a dickhead at times. 

Couple this culture with offering rewards and you've the current mess we're in.

[Turkish]

Surprise surprise 

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/major-report-says-adhd-autism-34738661

 

 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

There has definitely been an explosion in diagnosis and waiting lists are crazy. I do wonder if a number have been made too quickly.

[Turkish]

6 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

There has definitely been an explosion in diagnosis and waiting lists are crazy. I do wonder if a number have been made too quickly.

There has become a culture of people wanting a label to, imo, justify their or their children’s behaviour. Much like depression and anxiety there are 100% genuine cases but a lot of people diagnosed with depression and anxiety actually just need to get out of the house a bit more often or realise being anxious or sad for a bit, especially when you’re a teenager is perfectly normal. 

Being involved in kids football for many years I’ve heard parents almost proud that their child is ADHD or autistic as much as to say that they misbehave and there is nothing they can do about it. I attended a session about it a few years back run by the local football association it was very interesting and you really can see the difference between the genuine cases and the ones who use it to justify bad behaviour. 
 

the danger is that the doctors are very quick to pop pills into kids these days rather than let them build the resilience they need to understand that emotional swings are perfectly normal. My niece is a classic example, she’s had everything handed to her, her parents solved every problem she had usually by money they were inferring in spats with friends and down the school every time she got told off moaning at the teachers when she got to 14 or so she couldn’t cope with anything and was convinced she had anxiety and autism. She was desperate to Be diagnosed with it, I kid you not. She isn’t she’s a princess who has never had to deal with any challenges so when she did she couldn’t handle them. This is the sort of society that’s been created where people would rather be diagnosed with a mental health condition and take pills than admit life is not always sunny and 25 degrees 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

Agree regarding genuine cases.

They will suffer if there are massive wait times and lose out for SEN schools or equivalents potentially if number of children increases.

 

 

6 hours ago, Turkish said:

There has become a culture of people wanting a label to, imo, justify their or their children’s behaviour. Much like depression and anxiety there are 100% genuine cases but a lot of people diagnosed with depression and anxiety actually just need to get out of the house a bit more often or realise being anxious or sad for a bit, especially when you’re a teenager is perfectly normal. 

Being involved in kids football for many years I’ve heard parents almost proud that their child is ADHD or autistic as much as to say that they misbehave and there is nothing they can do about it. I attended a session about it a few years back run by the local football association it was very interesting and you really can see the difference between the genuine cases and the ones who use it to justify bad behaviour. 
 

the danger is that the doctors are very quick to pop pills into kids these days rather than let them build the resilience they need to understand that emotional swings are perfectly normal. My niece is a classic example, she’s had everything handed to her, her parents solved every problem she had usually by money they were inferring in spats with friends and down the school every time she got told off moaning at the teachers when she got to 14 or so she couldn’t cope with anything and was convinced she had anxiety and autism. She was desperate to Be diagnosed with it, I kid you not. She isn’t she’s a princess who has never had to deal with any challenges so when she did she couldn’t handle them. This is the sort of society that’s been created where people would rather be diagnosed with a mental health condition an

Edited 1 hour ago by JohnnyShearer2.0