The Reform Thread

[iansums]

25 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

A bit of light relief. I’ll start.

The Racist’s Retreat

Don’t worry, you’d be banned anyway.

[iansums]

4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

1974 Mk2. Oh hang on, Saints got relegated that year as well…

Two elections in one year, remember it well.

[egg]

10 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Starmer withdrew the whip from people who voted against maintaining the two child benefit cap. A policy they opposed in opposition and promised to abolish. So you’re making MP’s who actually didn’t deceive the public face a bye election because A PM who did, decided they should. 
 

 

If for a sustained period an MP loses the whip, they cease to represent that party, so should face a bye election. They can then stand as an independent, and if their constituents want them, they're back in. A sustained period could be, say, 6 months which is more than long enough for a party to decide if it wants an MP back in the fold. 

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, iansums said:

Two elections in one year, remember it well.

1976 would have been better from a football perspective…summer certainly a hot one.

Sadly the JPT is closest I got to seeing them win a major trophy and I’m not far off 50.

[hypochondriac]

19 minutes ago, egg said:

Surely it'd be a Reform/Tory coalition with a slim majority? Grim prospect, but sell the point that Farage is an English Trump, and people will hopefully come to their senses. 

They'd be short of a majority on those projected figures I think. 

[sadoldgit]

32 minutes ago, egg said:

Interesting. An MP is usually voted due to the party they represent rather than who the are as an individual, so I'm very much of the view that if they defect them have a bye election. Ditto if they lose the whip for a sustained period. 

It’s a no brainer. The party candidates campaign on their party’s manifesto. No one voted Honest Bob in on the Reform manifesto. If that is what they want now they should vote for it.

Duckie would soon change his tune if his local MP defected to the Sharia Law Party.

Back to the pub

The Failed Tories Return

The Migrants End

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 19:31 by sadoldgit

[The Kraken]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

If for a sustained period an MP loses the whip, they cease to represent that party, so should face a bye election. They can then stand as an independent, and if their constituents want them, they're back in. A sustained period could be, say, 6 months which is more than long enough for a party to decide if it wants an MP back in the fold. 

In general I agree with you. Duck makes a reasonable point though, it’s not quite that cut and dried. But I do believe that if you voluntarily leave the party to defect to another then it should trigger a by-election. But I’m sure there would still be more loopholes to be found.

[Lord Duckhunter]

People moan about MP’s being lobby fodder so what’s going to happen if they face by elections if they’ lose the whip. That’s one way to get MP’s to vote on party lines & stop independent thinking. 
 

If MP’s want to stand in a by elections as Carswell & Reckless did, that’s great. If they don’t, like Soubry & Gove didn’t, that’s up to them, they’ll face the electorate eventually. I don’t recall Soggy calling for Corbyn to face a by election…

Edited Tuesday at 19:46 by Lord Duckhunter

[The Kraken]

An extremely simplistic response would be…..If you voluntarily leave the party, it’s a by election. If you get the whip taken away, you can stay put as an MP but only as an independent. Granted, if the “independent” does a Jenrick and gets themself sacked then they’re just going to follow the line of the party they want to join, so it’s a bit of a worthless move. So I’ll just remain being Peter O’hanrahanrahan, I don’t like it but I’ll have to go along with it.

Edited Tuesday at 20:09 by The Kraken

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Although we say we're going to vote for party x, y or z isn't it the case that we're technically voting for a candidate? They may represent one party, and voters may vote on that basis. But they are actually voting for that person. So, if they no longer represent that party, they are still the winning candidate. Therefore, there's no requirement for a by-election.

For similar reasons to Kraken and LD, it's not perfect, but I'm okay with it. 

 

[The Kraken]

20 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Although we say we're going to vote for party x, y or z isn't it the case that we're technically voting for a candidate? They may represent one party, and voters may vote on that basis. But they are actually voting for that person. So, if they no longer represent that party, they are still the winning candidate. Therefore, there's no requirement for a by-election.

For similar reasons to Kraken and LD, it's not perfect, but I'm okay with it. 

 

Technically, yes.  Realistically, absolutely not in the majority of cases.

You would have to be really engaged in local politics to know what your local MP is all about and how they’ll go about it.  Given how much the main parties whip their MPs to just vote per party policies, there’s not too many Dennis Skinners around any more who vote with their principles first. I’d not trust any MP aligned to a major party to vote their own wishes first, they’ll get booted out before that.

It would be great if every single vote in parliament were down to the MP but it’s a sad reality that we are miles away from that, and have been for ages. I’m ok with it only in that I can’t do much about it.

 

 

[sadoldgit]

Whoops!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37974104/nigel-farage-breached-mp-sleaze-rules/

[east-stand-nic]

47 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Whoops!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37974104/nigel-farage-breached-mp-sleaze-rules/

Whoops. 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/labour-msp-pam-duncan-glancy-36436331

[Gloucester Saint]

I’ve referred to him as the Harry Redknapp of politics but he really is https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9y1pvy8e1o

Wonder what his dog is called? 

But he’s different to the uniparty…

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Whoops!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37974104/nigel-farage-breached-mp-sleaze-rules/

Whoops 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62431183.amp

[Lord Duckhunter]

Whoops

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8516780/jeremy-corbyn-forced-to-say-sorry-for-hiding-freebie-trip-to-new-york-given-to-him-by-anti-nukes-group/

[Gloucester Saint]

Corbyn, Farage and Starmer are all planks - who would have guessed it?

Corbyn is a sideshow at best now but quite how Farage and Starmer’s offices managed not to declare those on time with the resources they have is astonishing. You’d think the expenses scandal circa 15 years ago would have been a learning point. Farage was a big breach as well.

Edited Wednesday at 12:44 by Gloucester Saint

[Lord Duckhunter]

12 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Corbyn, Farage and Starmer are all planks

Careful, Soggy wanted 2 of the said Planks to be PM. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

23 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Careful, Soggy wanted 2 of the said Planks to be PM. 

I think you'll find that Starmer and Corbyn's were simple oversight from people of integrity, devoting all their thoughts to making the world a better place. While Farage didn't declare as he was on a pub crawl with Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins. 🙂

[tdmickey3]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Careful, Soggy wanted 2 of the said Planks to be PM. 

I wonder who is more obsessed with SOG ?

Nutty Nic or Duck, close run thing but Duck edges it as he can reply more and comments on everything SOG posts..

🤣

Edited Wednesday at 15:24 by tdmickey3

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

I wonder who is more obsessed with SOG ?

Nutty Nic or Duck, close run thing but Duck edges it as he can reply more and comment on everything SOG posts..

🤣

I suspect SOG is more obsessed with SOG than anyone else on this board  

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

I wonder who is more obsessed with SOG ?

Nutty Nic or Duck, close run thing but Duck edges it as he can reply more and comments on everything SOG posts..

🤣

I’m guessing that I have touched a nerve. Having come out in support of Trump’s shill they can’t back down so they have to double down on their position.

History will show that Trump, Farage and Netanyahu are no better than Putin. They must be feeling just like  the editorial team at the Daily Mail back in the 40’s when the penny dropped that Hitler was a wrong’un.

I have another pub name -

The Duckhunter and Snapdragon

Edited Wednesday at 16:43 by sadoldgit

[sadoldgit]

4 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Corbyn, Farage and Starmer are all planks - who would have guessed it?

Corbyn is a sideshow at best now but quite how Farage and Starmer’s offices managed not to declare those on time with the resources they have is astonishing. You’d think the expenses scandal circa 15 years ago would have been a learning point. Farage was a big breach as well.

The issue here is that Farage is presenting his party as different to the same old same old of the Tories and Labour and people say they want a change to something different.

Reform are no different, in fact every time another Tory defects to them they become just like the rest, but with even worse party members.

[Gloucester Saint]

Farage - World would be better with America owning it but Greenlanders should have the right of self-determination if you believe in Brexit.

Yeah, right Nigel, that’s coherent then.

Presumably you didn’t use a computer for that little nugget of wisdom?

#NigelRedknapp

[Gloucester Saint]

Every other UK party and leader have put out a strong statement condemning Trump’s lies about Afghanistan and UK role.

All bar one.

#Putinstooge #SellingoutUK #Trump’spetsnake

[sadoldgit]

Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

Every other UK party and leader have put out a strong statement condemning Trump’s lies about Afghanistan and UK role.

All bar one.

#Putinstooge #SellingoutUK #Trump’spetsnake

He is probably crapping himself at the moment. He knows that he has to condemn what Trump says for the sake of votes but he won’t want to upset his master. How do you find a form of words that both condemns Trump but keeps him onside given how thin skinned Trump is?

[tdmickey3]

43 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Every other UK party and leader have put out a strong statement condemning Trump’s lies about Afghanistan and UK role.

All bar one.

#Putinstooge #SellingoutUK #Trump’spetsnake

That twat Jenrick has done it but he is just after the limelight and doesn't want to be 2nd fiddle to Farage, some interesting times ahead between the two

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Every other UK party and leader have put out a strong statement condemning Trump’s lies about Afghanistan and UK role.

All bar one.

#Putinstooge #SellingoutUK #Trump’spetsnake

Much as it pains me:

Nigel Farage on twitter.......

"Donald Trump is wrong. For 20 years our armed forces fought bravely alongside America's in Afghanistan.'

'When the decision was made to go into Afghanistan we went in with America and a coalition of the willing,'

'We stayed by America for the whole 20 years, we proportionately spent the same money as America, we lost the same number of lives as America, pro-rata, and the same applies to Denmark and other countries too, so it is not quite fair.'

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Much as it pains me:

Nigel Farage on twitter.......

"Donald Trump is wrong. For 20 years our armed forces fought bravely alongside America's in Afghanistan.'

'When the decision was made to go into Afghanistan we went in with America and a coalition of the willing,'

'We stayed by America for the whole 20 years, we proportionately spent the same money as America, we lost the same number of lives as America, pro-rata, and the same applies to Denmark and other countries too, so it is not quite fair.'

Agree with his words bar that last phrase. It’s more than unfair, it’s a fucking lie from Trump and MAGA. 

[east-stand-nic]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Much as it pains me:

Nigel Farage on twitter.......

"Donald Trump is wrong. For 20 years our armed forces fought bravely alongside America's in Afghanistan.'

'When the decision was made to go into Afghanistan we went in with America and a coalition of the willing,'

'We stayed by America for the whole 20 years, we proportionately spent the same money as America, we lost the same number of lives as America, pro-rata, and the same applies to Denmark and other countries too, so it is not quite fair.'

He also called trump out on tarrifs the other day. The likes of sog and mental Mickey don't see this as they do not read anything other than what they agree with. Good to see you are learning though. 

[sadoldgit]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Much as it pains me:

Nigel Farage on twitter.......

"Donald Trump is wrong. For 20 years our armed forces fought bravely alongside America's in Afghanistan.'

'When the decision was made to go into Afghanistan we went in with America and a coalition of the willing,'

'We stayed by America for the whole 20 years, we proportionately spent the same money as America, we lost the same number of lives as America, pro-rata, and the same applies to Denmark and other countries too, so it is not quite fair.'

So it’s “not quite fair?” Dear God. Grow a pair man. I expect he was on the phone beforehand apologising profusely and saying that he has to say something critical otherwise he will be slated over here. 

[tdmickey3]

5 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

He also called trump out on tarrifs the other day. The likes of sog and mental Mickey don't see this as they do not read anything other than what they agree with. Good to see you are learning though. 

Says the bloke who believes any conspiracy theory he reads.

I notice you haven’t condemned what the fat orange cunt said, is that because you are cunt and agree with Trump 

Edited 16 hours ago by tdmickey3

[Gloucester Saint]

18 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Says the bloke who believes any conspiracy theory he reads.

I notice you have condemned what the fat orange cunt said, is that because you are cunt and agree with Trump 

He’s the leader, the leader, of the gang

Edited 20 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[sadoldgit]

26 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Says the bloke who believes any conspiracy theory he reads.

I notice you have condemned what the fat orange cunt said, is that because you are cunt and agree with Trump 

He can’t bring himself to criticise either of them. Farage’s criticisms, especially today’s, were hardly stinging.

Just like his response when Trump said when you are famous women will let you grab them by the pussy. According to Farage it was just “locker room talk.”

Being an apologist for both Trump and Farage this week must have been especially hard for nic. My heart goes out to him.

[badgerx16]

44 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

He also called trump out on tarrifs the other day. The likes of sog and mental Mickey don't see this as they do not read anything other than what they agree with. Good to see you are learning though. 

You do realise that I got that quote from the MSM ?

Edited 20 hours ago by badgerx16

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

I wonder if Nigel is serious about being PM or not. Is he in it for the grift and thinks Reform won't win?

 

[sadoldgit]

10 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

I wonder if Nigel is serious about being PM or not. Is he in it for the grift and thinks Reform won't win?

 

Grifters gonna grift. He has a very long history of grifting.

A serious person with ambitions of being PM would have called a press conference and given Trump both barrels. What did the man who is all about patriotism and national pride do? He put a mealy mouthed response on X. A pathetic response from one of Trump’s European bitches.

[rallyboy]

5 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

I wonder if Nigel is serious about being PM or not. Is he in it for the grift and thinks Reform won't win?

 

His only role is to give his financial backers power in the UK, he delivered that through Brexit, his sponsors made an absolute killing, now his job is to let Putin and Trump pull strings in the UK.

If that is delivered, Nige can then take a back seat, because he has zero interest and no plan for running anything.

He's just pulling another scam on thick people - and if they don't like being called thick, it's their own fault for being conned so fucking easily. The same folk are sending money off to Nigerian Princes and giving the nice man from Microsoft control of their internet banking.

[east-stand-nic]

11 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Says the bloke who believes any conspiracy theory he reads.

I notice you haven’t condemned what the fat orange cunt said, is that because you are cunt and agree with Trump 

Nope. Wrong again. And you were wrong again as shown by Badger post. Maybe do a little research before spouting off LOL. How silly you look once again.

[east-stand-nic]

10 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

You do realise that I got that quote from the MSM ?

Yes indeed, as I have said many times you must research ALL channels of news, not JUST MSM as often they are towing the narrative LINE. Fact is you have learnt that what some people say is always BS, SOG and MentalMickey two who will NEVER tell the truth as they dislike someone. You had the nerve to post that in fact Farage had condemned trump as he has done many times. They will NEVER accept that, even though it is staring them in the face. That has been my point on here from day one. Myopic childlike views. Now it is starting to shine through as true. 

[badgerx16]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crleexkj6d5o

Free speech my arse. Our MP has been blocked from speaking at a schools' event by Reform Lancashire CC.

[Lord Duckhunter]

15 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Just like his response when Trump said when you are famous women will let you grab them by the pussy. According to Farage it was just “locker room talk.”

Your response to Huw Edwards (“hardly the crime of the century”) was disgraceful, so if I was you,I’d reflect a bit and check my moral compass, before posting pious pony…..

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Your response to Huw Edwards (“hardly the crime of the century”) was disgraceful, so if I was you,I’d reflect a bit and check my moral compass, before posting pious pony…..

Remember when Soggy was defensive about Geoffrey Boycott....the wife beater

[Lord Duckhunter]

21 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Remember when Soggy was defensive about Geoffrey Boycott....the wife beater

And then wanted Ched Evans jailed for consensual sex. Fucking weird , with those morals that he’s lecturing others. Doesn’t say anything about the bloke who claimed he could make birds tits bigger through thoughts, no he’s not a “grifter”, he’s “impressed” him. 😂. Bloody clown. Imagine if Nigel claimed he could make Isobel Oakshotts tits bigger, we wouldn’t hear the end of it…

Edited 4 hours ago by Lord Duckhunter

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

10 hours ago, rallyboy said:

His only role is to give his financial backers power in the UK, he delivered that through Brexit, his sponsors made an absolute killing, now his job is to let Putin and Trump pull strings in the UK.

If that is delivered, Nige can then take a back seat, because he has zero interest and no plan for running anything.

He's just pulling another scam on thick people - and if they don't like being called thick, it's their own fault for being conned so fucking easily. The same folk are sending money off to Nigerian Princes and giving the nice man from Microsoft control of their internet banking.

Good points, definitely see him taking a back seat and blaming it on every one and not take responsibility. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

16 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Good points, definitely see him taking a back seat and blaming it on every one and not take responsibility. 

Yeah, we’re not used to PM’s blaming others. They always stand up and take responsibility. He should take a leaf out of Sir Kiers book, never blames 14 years of Tory rule for his Government’s failures. 

[Gloucester Saint]

21 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Yeah, we’re not used to PM’s blaming others. They always stand up and take responsibility. He should take a leaf out of Sir Kiers book, never blames 14 years of Tory rule for his Government’s failures. 

They all fucking do it. Cameron, Osborne and Clegg banged on about the credit crunch until a few months before the 2015 GE. Nigel Redknapp is hardly the first to point fingers away from own shit, but the difference his own shit is Brexit and that dwarfs any other monster government fuck up - credit crunch, NHS IT, universal credit, tuition fees - by several country miles in terms of economic impact.

[CB Fry]

31 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Yeah, we’re not used to PM’s blaming others. They always stand up and take responsibility. He should take a leaf out of Sir Kiers book, never blames 14 years of Tory rule for his Government’s failures. 

The Tories were still going on and on about the fucking Liam Byrne letter during the election 14 years after it. Of course you lapped lapped lapped it up.

Edited 3 hours ago by CB Fry

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Yeah, we’re not used to PM’s blaming others. They always stand up and take responsibility. He should take a leaf out of Sir Kiers book, never blames 14 years of Tory rule for his Government’s failures. 

Yeah mate at any point did I say no one else does it? We know they're all guilty of it.

Also let's forget the amazing 14 years we had under the Tories with Brexit and then Truss.

IF Reform get in lets see if all the X people etc are gonna in hard on Farage as they are doing on Starmer.

[Weston Super Saint]

22 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

IF Reform get in lets see if all the X people etc are gonna in hard on Farage as they are doing on Starmer.

Do you think there is just one type of 'X people'?  Who knows, maybe some other 'X people' will pipe up?