The Reform Thread

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, egg said:

no free at point of entry NHS,

Total bollocks. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Total bollocks. 

You don’t know that yet, certainly if Farage and his own leader in Wales don’t know https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-nigel-farage-breaks-with-his-welsh-leader-over-insurance-system-nhs/

Or just lying to get Welsh votes?

[badgerx16]

37 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

You don’t know that yet, certainly if Farage and his own leader in Wales don’t know https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-nigel-farage-breaks-with-his-welsh-leader-over-insurance-system-nhs/

Or just lying to get Welsh votes?

Lying to get votes isn't restricted to the Pricipality.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Lying to get votes isn't restricted to the Pricipality.

It’s very similar to the Welsh Tories though https://ifs.org.uk/articles/initial-response-reform-uks-welsh-manifesto

The sentence which stands out (familiar for Reform) is ‘It has not fully faced up to the fiscal realities facing the next Welsh Government’.

Labour hasn’t helped itself there with the daft 20mph zones and sleaze. That’s hurt them far more than immigration in Wales.

[egg]

58 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Total bollocks. 

Total bollocks.

An insurance system, or French style (pay up front and get some of it back), as per Farage, isn't free at the point of entry. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Total bollocks.

An insurance system, or French style (pay up front and get some of it back), as per Farage, isn't free at the point of entry. 

They don’t even know what their own policy is when you look at the squabble between Farage and their Welsh leader. They can’t hide as it gets nearer to a GE and it’s a make or break issue for them, because their seat targets in ‘left behind’ dumps rely on it. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

They don’t even know what their own policy is when you look at the squabble between Farage and their Welsh leader. They can’t hide as it gets nearer to a GE and it’s a make or break issue for them, because their seat targets in ‘left behind’ dumps rely on it. 

Indeed. Lowe said the NHS should be "dismantled and reassembled", Farage has talked about a French style system, their "contract" with the public says nothing in particular, later saying it was a "working draft" which means they haven't got a clue what their position is. 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Total bollocks. 

So smitten with his beloved charlatan. Dopey cunt

[Winnersaint]

49 minutes ago, egg said:

Total bollocks.

An insurance system, or French style (pay up front and get some of it back), as per Farage, isn't free at the point of entry. 

Talking of insurance, that’s Arron Banks’s line of business. No wonder he’s a donor/supporter.

[Gloucester Saint]

8 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

Talking of insurance, that’s Arron Banks’s line of business. No wonder he’s a donor/supporter.

They have more in common. When their own candidates call you racist there’s a problem https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypnwljxl2o

Just too much wine says Nigel.

Both partial to filthy money as well https://www.channel4.com/news/the-banks-files-how-brexit-bad-boy-arron-banks-was-eyeing-a-massive-russian-gold-deal

Reform represents white, working class people remember….

[Lord Duckhunter]

56 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed. Lowe said the NHS should be "dismantled and reassembled",

Lowe isn’t in Reform, for a bloke criticising people “don’t understand” you’re pretty dopey yourself. 
 

From Reforms last election campaign. 

“Reform UK officially states they will keep the NHS "free at the point of delivery.”

The UK isn’t particularly free at the point of delivery anymore than the French is, what are prescription charges? You have to pay before you receive treatment. 

Yet you’re critical of the French health service , which is far better than ours, based solely on the fact Nige is a supporter of it. Ridiculous position to be in, all that matters is our health care is improved. There’s a reason no other country copies ours. 
 

This is the problem, trying to debate our horrendous health service, dinosaurs like you are stuck in the 1940’s and won’t consider any other system. Though at the end of the day, if the people vote for it, that’s what they’ll get. 

[egg]

13 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Lowe isn’t in Reform, for a bloke criticising people “don’t understand” you’re pretty dopey yourself. 
 

From Reforms last election campaign. 

“Reform UK officially states they will keep the NHS "free at the point of delivery.”

The UK isn’t particularly free at the point of delivery anymore than the French is, what are prescription charges? You have to pay before you receive treatment. 

Yet you’re critical of the French health service , which is far better than ours, based solely on the fact Nige is a supporter of it. Ridiculous position to be in, all that matters is our health care is improved. There’s a reason no other country copies ours. 
 

This is the problem, trying to debate our horrendous health service, dinosaurs like you are stuck in the 1940’s and won’t consider any other system. Though at the end of the day, if the people vote for it, that’s what they’ll get. 

Have a day off being a prick mate.

Lowe is an elected Reform MP, and made that comment whilst serving as a Reform MP. 

I know what their contract says, I referred to it, and their subsequent comment that it's a working draft, ie bollocks that they're rowing back from. 

I haven't said anything critical about the French system. It's your mate Farage who mooted adopting it. That is not a free at the point of entry system. 

Re the last bit. The difference between us is that you don't seem to give a fuck anyone else. A French style system, or an insurance based system, wouldn't work for huge swathes of the population. 

And you calling someone else a dinosaur. The irony. 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

The enshitification of councils getting worse is here.

Years of austerity and government cut backs. Now there will be a number of minority led councils where potentially shit won't get done. 

 

People voted as they did, I just wonder who they'll blame when nothing happens. 

[egg]

26 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

The enshitification of councils getting worse is here.

Years of austerity and government cut backs. Now there will be a number of minority led councils where potentially shit won't get done. 

 

People voted as they did, I just wonder who they'll blame when nothing happens. 

Starmer for not getting it fixed in under 2 years, thankless task for new blood, etc. 

It's not a shiny outlook. Our markets are slowly catching up with the economic reality. 

[Gloucester Saint]

25 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

The enshitification of councils getting worse is here.

Years of austerity and government cut backs. Now there will be a number of minority led councils where potentially shit won't get done. 

 

People voted as they did, I just wonder who they'll blame when nothing happens. 

Everyone else but the people they should blame - themselves. Shit judgement in 2016 and it’s been Boris, Sunak, Starmer and now it’ll be Reform’s fault.

They are left behind areas for good reasons.

As the grandson of a Dunkirk, El Alamein and Monte casino veteran, what possible excuse do the people of Sefton have for voting for facism?  https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/reform-uk-face-questions-after-holocaust-is-a-hoax-candidate-elected/

Hope they get infested by rats for that.